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[Gervaise]

Now I appreciate that they had the advantage of eluvians to aid their investigation of Solas and that once they had established he was an agent of Fen'Harel (slight error there but understandable) it was an easy enough task to connect the dots with regard to his aid to the Inquisition.    However, the bit that has me puzzled is how they knew that he gave his orb to Corypheus?     That would have been something known to only him and the agent(s) responsible for pointing the Venatori in the right direction.    I can appreciate they might have been monitoring Venatori activity but not how they then traced back them acquiring the orb to Solas himself.    I would have thought that since his plan required him to be close at hand (in a village near the Conclave) in order to claim his orb, it was imperative no one should suspect him of complicity in any plot, so his agents would have gone to ground after ensuring the orb got to Cory.

 

Thinking about various events that occurred both before the start of DAI and during it, I am actually quite disappointed in the information gathering capabilities of our spy master and security generally. 

 

In Masked Empire, a mage is able to get within inches of assassinating the Divine, despite the fact that they had the example of Anders to know that they ought to be a bit more vigilant what mages were getting up to.   In the light of that incident you'd think security would be even tighter for the Conclave but apparently Cory and his cohort of Grey Wardens were able to walk right in and kidnap the Divine.    Not to mention my Lavellan at least was there totally uninvited.    If they didn't want to restrict access to the holy site, then surely the better option was to hold the Conclave somewhere easier to keep secure?

 

At Skyhold there are at least 3 instances of assassins infiltrating.    Now we learn that our systems are so lax that anyone can sneak items onto our requisitions order, despite the fact that we have an official requisitions officer.    Also background checks were not carried out thoroughly on Solas or various elves offering to join up.   Whilst we were short handed initially, it was also a fact that there had been a monumental security breach at the Conclave and until Cory showed up we really didn't know who was responsible.   Surely that was a good enough reason to check people out properly?   

 

I remember how Hawke tried to warn the nobles in Kirkwall of the potential dangers of Qunari sleeper agents in the city and was largely ignored because nobles like to pretend there is no danger.    However, Cassandra interrogated Varric and got the full story of MoA from him.   Yet no one thinks about the possibility of elven spies entering the Inquisition on behalf of the Qunari?    If they had forgotten Kirkwall, then on meeting up with Gaatt, we have it confirmed that Qunari prefer using elves and humans because they can blend in.  

 

It seems laughable that the ambassadors of Ferelden and Orlais are jumping up and down about the Inquisition's power when really they should be asked just how secure their own palaces are.    Denerim was riddled with Venatori spies, yet security continued to be so lax they allowed in barrels of gaatlok.    Ditto Orlais and the events previously at the Winter Palace.  You'd think their experience with Briala would have taught them to be careful about elves.    And how come Briala's elves didn't spot the infiltrators?

 

I had to admit that Solas had a point; if it hadn't been for his agents the south would have been in big trouble.    No wonder the only way to improve security is to actually disband the whole organisation.

[Wulfram]

Because the Qunari are the best at absolutely everything.

edit: Except cookie making

[DarkTl]

I had to admit that Solas had a point; if it hadn't been for his agents the south would have been in big trouble.    No wonder the only way to improve security is to actually disband the whole organisation.

I have a feeling it was a part of his plan, To show how dangerous it might be to have a big organisation, forcing us to disband it and remove another threat to him.

[Kurogane335]

Because the Qunari are the best at absolutely everything.

edit: Except cookie making

More accurately, they are just as good as the writers need them to be a terrible threat without having the actual strength to be a true threat. that's why I feel that Trespasser is quite weak in the way the Qunari are portrayed. So far in the South, they shouldn't have so many agents, and shouldn't be able to infiltrate all the halls of power.

[leaguer of one]

More accurately, they are just as good as the writers need them to be a terrible threat without having the actual strength to be a true threat. that's why I feel that Trespasser is quite weak in the way the Qunari are portrayed. So far in the South, they shouldn't have so many agents, and shouldn't be able to infiltrate all the halls of power.

Except:

1. Time and time agein they are shown to be a true threat.

2.They only mess up vs the hero which is the case with everyone.

3. The only mess vs someone who is out thinking the hero which is still the case with every one.

 

History already shown that they are a threat to all of thedas, why are you arguing this?

[Gervaise]

The agents aren't a surprise.    The list Talis wanted to recover was pretty extensive and even contained the names of people she knew were no longer active followers of the Qun.   WoT2 says that Sten from DAO had long advocated getting more intelligence before launching another major attack.   Initially he was sent off to Ferelden as his "reward" for criticising his superiors but after the death of the Arishok in Kirkwall it was likely he was voted in as the replacement because they realised he had been right.   This is why I was anticipating elven servants proving a major danger should the Qunari invade.    Forgetting what really happened with Shartan (a slave commander got his troops to swap to the other side at a crucial moment in the Battle of Valarian  fields) was a mistake on the part of both Tevinter and the southern states.   Continue treating your servants/slaves like dirt and giving them no hope for a better future was all too likely to drive them into the arms of the Qunari and now it would seem, Solas as well.    It may be that even if the Dread Wolf admits that his plan will result in their destruction they are still willing to go along with it out of a sense of revenge and despair.

 

Smuggling in barrels of gaatlok is a different matter.   That really does seem to represent really lax security across the halls of power.

 

Still doesn't explain how the Qunari knew that Solas had given his orb to Corypheus.    I think that should have been left for him to admit and you to react to in a rather more emphatic fashion than was actually the case.  

[leaguer of one]

The agents aren't a surprise.    The list Talis wanted to recover was pretty extensive and even contained the names of people she knew were no longer active followers of the Qun.   WoT2 says that Sten from DAO had long advocated getting more intelligence before launching another major attack.   Initially he was sent off to Ferelden as his "reward" for criticising his superiors but after the death of the Arishok in Kirkwall it was likely he was voted in as the replacement because they realised he had been right.   This is why I was anticipating elven servants proving a major danger should the Qunari invade.    Forgetting what really happened with Shartan (a slave commander got his troops to swap to the other side at a crucial moment in the Battle of Valarian  fields) was a mistake on the part of both Tevinter and the southern states.   Continue treating your servants/slaves like dirt and giving them no hope for a better future was all too likely to drive them into the arms of the Qunari and now it would seem, Solas as well.    It may be that even if the Dread Wolf admits that his plan will result in their destruction they are still willing to go along with it out of a sense of revenge and despair.

 

Smuggling in barrels of gaatlok is a different matter.   That really does seem to represent really lax security across the halls of power.

 

Still doesn't explain how the Qunari knew that Solas had given his orb to Corypheus.    I think that should have been left for him to admit and you to react to in a rather more emphatic fashion than was actually the case.  

The shock is more with the servents and elves in the inquisition. They are give far treatment, places to advance, and are given equal treatment.

[NRieh]

 

In Masked Empire, a mage is able to get within inches of assassinating the Divine

Uhm.  I assume it's 'Asunder' you're talking about. Evangeline, Wynne and Leliana had been involved.  Just saying.

 

Also, I totally agree that Halamshiral security sucks. It seems like anyone is able to bring in a nuke in their pocket and blow the whole palace up.

 

We 'smuggle' in our troops, Gaspard 'smuggles' his mercs, 1 out of 3 elves spy for Briala (2 out of 3 - for Fen'Harrel), Gaspard's lill' sis' easily outplays both Celene and Gaspard, which are supposed to be the strongest with the Game. Qunari spies are just a minor annoyance among this chaos. 

[Boost32]

Because our spymaster is Leliana, the worst spymaster ever.

[Savber100]

The Qunari are god-like efficient with no petty religion or differing ideology to clash with it. 

[vertigomez]

I think it's cause we're cocky. Human Thedas doesn't actually think the Qunari are clever enough to gain a foothold in their lands - or else they think they could theoretically band together, call a few Exalted Marches, and drive them away no problemo.

But Fenris said they seem to be waiting, and Sten said they'll "do better next time".

[CoM Solaufein]

Because our spymaster is Leliana, the worst spymaster ever.

She let the fake Blackwall through the ranks and Iron Bull as well.

[MariNia]

Because Lelliana is too busy with nugs

[SwobyJ]

Ferelden, though not necessarily 'weak', is the weaksauce compared to all of Thedas, and Orlais, ultimately, is full of self-importance, without being so tested enough in more real ways. Exalted Marches and Chantry rule IMO coddles the Orlesian Empire, powerful as it presently (though likely not for long; especially as it would be smart for Bioware to diminish it due to Emperor/Empress decisions in DAI) is.

 

There always has to be a way to 'upgrade' in some ways from previous games. Enjoy the rise of Tevinter and Qunari and even Dwarves in various ways.

 

Qunari put everything into specific improvements. One of the biggest ways is their espionage. We've had DA2 and DAI making it completely clear that they beat anything everyone, including maybe Tevinter, save for Solas, has. The Game is one thing - Qunari spies is clearly another. Orlais beats many in politicking, especially Ferelden. But it has exposed holes in security everywhere. It is full of itself. Both Orlais and the White Chantry are set to crumble, just not just yet. (And that doesn't necessarily mean their total end, of course; I just won't be surprised at a giant hit to it that the Inquisition only just postponed in their propping up of the existing Order of things.)

[AntiChri5]

The qunari have always had the most sophisticated information network in Thedas.

[In Exile]

Since Solas basically engineered the creation of the Inquisition, what makes you think his agents haven't been infiltrating you from day one? When he says infiltration we think it's a recent thing - but that needn't be true.