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[Rhidor]

Hey!

 

I have beaten the game five times now, and after so many playthroughs the endless grinding for power and Xp gets a little repetitive. I'd like to enjoy the story without all that side stuff for a possible seventh playthrough, but so far I'm not sure what to do in order to get Power and enough XP.

 

Are there any tricks to it? I saw that there were speedruns, but most of the little glitches don't work with Patch 10 anymore.

 

I'm playing on PS4, Trespasser is installed, high tier schematics are shared.

[PapaCharlie9]

First, obviously, play on Casual difficulty.

 

Without glitching, do metal or herb Requisitions for Power, until Inquisition Influence is level 6, then do the War Table mission to get Power for a Price. Then you can turn gold into Power and Influence. You can do Astrariums for pure Influence, no XP. War Table missions are also good for pure Influence.

 

You could do other types of requisitions, but sometimes the enemies don't drop the items you want and it's a bore trying to get all of them (I'm talking about you, Malachite!). Metal and herb are deterministic, you know that you can get everything you need by just working at it.

 

The speedruns also lay out a minimal path for side quests that achieve just the right number of Power points to get to Skyhold. You can get 18 Power in the Hinterlands with minimal effort. That's all you need to get to Skyhold and Power for a Price. Roughly, it goes as follows:

 

• Crossroads
• Upper Lake camp
• Templar HQ - take out the Templar boss, completes the quest given to you by Mother G
• Farm camp
• Horsemaster and get a horse
• Close the Farm Rift (immediately adjacent to Horsemaster)
• (Return to Haven to open Val Royeaux -- do all that and pick up Sera and Vivienne and Belle as an agent -- then come back to Hinterlands)
• FT back to first camp, then ride to the rift by the Agrarian farmhouse, close it
• Ride to Dwarfson Pass camp, pick up missing scout side quest on the way - for the agent, and the phylactery for another agent
• Complete the missing scout quest (MAKE SURE YOU HAVE VARRIC WITH YOU!) and pick up the Scout as an agent
• Ride to Winterwatch tower and do all the side quests in there, including closing the rift and getting Speaker Anais and Lord Berand as agents
• Close one more rift, the southernmost one in Dwarfson's Pass is handy, though a bit high level
• Pick up Enchanter Ellandra as an agent in the Crossroads (MAKE SURE YOU HAVE VIVIENNE WITH YOU)
• Ride to Redcliffe Village and finish all the main quest steps there

 

At this point you should have 18 power. If  you are short a few points, close a couple more rifts or do some requisitions. Then for the rest of the game you don't have to worry about getting power -- assuming you don't open any new zones that aren't absolutely necessary for the main quest. If the main quests or incidental side quests on the way don't give it to you, requisitions or Power for a Price or closing more rifts will.

 

Don't worry about XP, you don't really need it. You can beat the game at level 12 on Nightmare. But if you really, really want XP fast, fight dragons. I went from Level 18 to Level 20 by fighting two of the dragons in EdL. Short of that, you can take the Perk that gives you a 5% increase in XP for killing fools.

 

Now all that said, some glitches were fixed, but new ones were introduced. I think every glitch in the speedruns now has an alternative glitch that is as good if not better. Though I haven't tried it myself, it should be possible to get the Amulet of Power from Crestwood and dupe it to get as many skill points as you want.

[Rhidor]

A lot of Hinterlands quests again, but okay. It seems those could be done rather quickly.

 

How do I unlock Power for a Price?

 

And XP isn't important? I definitely needed mine on Nightmare. Don't plot-enemies have a minimum level?

 

How would I duplicate the Amulet of Power?

 

Thanks so far for this!

[Arvaarad]

And XP isn't important? I definitely needed mine on Nightmare. Don't plot-enemies have a minimum level?

 

Keep in mind that you can skip a lot of combat in plot missions, especially if you've got one or more rogues in your party. That will make a big difference in how much resources you have by the time you get to the one or two mandatory fights in the level. The boss fight then goes much easier because you're emptying barrels of focus and grenades all over it.

 

For example, if you're very careful in the Hakkonite temple, you only have to do two fights - the mages guarding the barrier before the boss fight, and the boss fight itself. All other fights, you can run past. Yes, even that part before you first open the door to the inner temple: avoid aggroing the assassins using stealth or other means, then walk straight through the middle, between the two ice shooters.

 

Speaking of grenades. Make note of which war table missions return which herbs. Especially when in low-herb areas like Descent, sending agents to collect herbs is a lot faster than taking side trips when you run out.

[Rhidor]

Keep in mind that you can skip a lot of combat in plot missions, especially if you've got one or more rogues in your party. That will make a big difference in how much resources you have by the time you get to the one or two mandatory fights in the level. The boss fight then goes much easier because you're emptying barrels of focus and grenades all over it.

 

For example, if you're very careful in the Hakkonite temple, you only have to do two fights - the mages guarding the barrier before the boss fight, and the boss fight itself. All other fights, you can run past. Yes, even that part before you first open the door to the inner temple: avoid aggroing the assassins using stealth or other means, then walk straight through the middle, between the two ice shooters.

 

Speaking of grenades. Make note of which war table missions return which herbs. Especially when in low-herb areas like Descent, sending agents to collect herbs is a lot faster than taking side trips when you run out.

 

Skipping enemies sounds like a good way to do it. I'm just not sure about fights like Envy, Alexius, Nightmare or Corypheus.

 

Tips on Hakkon & Descent are probably useful, but I don't have those two, so no worries for me

[Arvaarad]

Skipping enemies sounds like a good way to do it. I'm just not sure about fights like Envy, Alexius, Nightmare or Corypheus.

 

The solution is always more grenades. Throw enough grenades and everything will be stunned, dead, or on your side.

 

Pitch grenade plus mighty offense (I believe both can be obtained pre-Skyhold) plus a couple rogues can bodyslam every boss in the game, if you don't mind microing just a little bit. Mark of Death + Thousand Cuts/Mark of the Rift/Flask of Lightning will lop off most of a boss's health, if used together. Yes, it's microing, but the fight finishes faster even with all that pausing, so it's a net positive for speed.

[PapaCharlie9]

A lot of Hinterlands quests again, but okay. It seems those could be done rather quickly.

That entire sequence, with loading screens, can be done in well under an hour of real time.

How do I unlock Power for a Price?
 
And XP isn't important? I definitely needed mine on Nightmare. Don't plot-enemies have a minimum level?
 
How would I duplicate the Amulet of Power?

Power for a Price unlocks automatically as soon as the Inquisition's Influence reaches level 6 (6 Perk points, I believe -- I think you start with 0). Just check the War Table after you get influence up to that level.

You can ignore the minimum level with sufficient preparation.

Get the amulet at Crestwood, take it to the Skyhold and put it in the storage chest in the Undercroft, then use the duping glitch. Just do some searching around, it's a well-known exploit.

Skipping enemies sounds like a good way to do it. I'm just not sure about fights like Envy, Alexius, Nightmare or Corypheus.

Envy is doable at level 5 with no armor and no healing potions, solo, on NM.



That being the case, doing it with a full party and plenty of resources (like grenades), is not that difficult. Alexius is similar, though different preparation is required because of his teleporting and demon adds.

Nightmare is definitely difficult, but still manageable. Do WEWH before Abyss and you'll be more leveled up when you face that boss. And ration your resources until the final boss fight in Abyss.

Corypheus can be kited so that all damage goes one way, towards him. But you can even play it straight with no cheese just by setting up full focus abilities properly. Also, have Morrigan drink from the Well, so that you only have to fight the dragon at half health.

[Rhidor]

The solution is always more grenades. Throw enough grenades and everything will be stunned, dead, or on your side.
 
Pitch grenade plus mighty offense (I believe both can be obtained pre-Skyhold) plus a couple rogues can bodyslam every boss in the game, if you don't mind microing just a little bit. Mark of Death + Thousand Cuts/Mark of the Rift/Flask of Lightning will lop off most of a boss's health, if used together. Yes, it's microing, but the fight finishes faster even with all that pausing, so it's a net positive for speed.

 
But Mark of Death and Thousand Cuts/Flask of Lightning can only be obtained after reaching level 10, can't they? I think that's the minimum level requirement to get the specialization people.
 

That entire sequence, with loading screens, can be done in well under an hour of real time.
 
Power for a Price unlocks automatically as soon as the Inquisition's Influence reaches level 6 (6 Perk points, I believe -- I think you start with 0). Just check the War Table after you get influence up to that level.
 
You can ignore the minimum level with sufficient preparation.
 
Get the amulet at Crestwood, take it to the Skyhold and put it in the storage chest in the Undercroft, then use the duping glitch. Just do some searching around, it's a well-known exploit.
 
Envy is doable at level 5 with no armor and no healing potions, solo, on NM.
 

 
That being the case, doing it with a full party and plenty of resources (like grenades), is not that difficult. Alexius is similar, though different preparation is required because of his teleporting and demon adds.
 
Nightmare is definitely difficult, but still manageable. Do WEWH before Abyss and you'll be more leveled up when you face that boss. And ration your resources until the final boss fight in Abyss.
 
Corypheus can be kited so that all damage goes one way, towards him. But you can even play it straight with no cheese just by setting up full focus abilities properly. Also, have Morrigan drink from the Well, so that you only have to fight the dragon at half health.

 

It seems an archer rogue is the key here. The specialization and especially the range seem to be quite potent (Envy). What kind of crazy build did he do for that video though?

 

I just finished my Nightmare playthrough, no need to do that again right now

 

As I said, I just want a quick story-only run. Casual difficulty was planned.

 

How would I kite Corypheus? Or would the staying-out-of-range tactic with a rogue archer also work?

[PapaCharlie9]

But Mark of Death and Thousand Cuts/Flask of Lightning can only be obtained after reaching level 10, can't they? I think that's the minimum level requirement to get the specialization people.

Unless Patch 10 has changed something, that's not true. I got KE at level 7 a couple of PTs back.
 

It seems an archer rogue is the key here. The specialization and especially the range seem to be quite potent (Envy). What kind of crazy build did he do for that video though?

It wasn't crazy. He only had a handful of skill points, after all. It was very ordinary.

It's not just archer's that can do that, I've seen solo Envy wins for a lot of classes. It's more about learning the correct tactics to use vs. Envy. As was said before, let Bee grenades do most of the heavy lifting. The rest is mostly staying alive while they do all the damage.
 

How would I kite Corypheus? Or would the staying-out-of-range tactic with a rogue archer also work?

It's described in the Wiki under strategies for the final quest/boss battle. It's a pathfinding exploit.

Bottom line is, you can do what you want. You can focus entirely on the story and let XP take care of itself. Power is the one you have to pay attention to, since you need it to progress, but Power is easily obtained as described above.

Sit back, relax and laugh ironically at any level recommendations the War Table throws at you. Well, except for the Fallow Mire, but even then you could sneak through most of it and avoid most of the battles.

[Rhidor]

Unless Patch 10 has changed something, that's not true. I got KE at level 7 a couple of PTs back.
 
It wasn't crazy. He only had a handful of skill points, after all. It was very ordinary.

It's not just archer's that can do that, I've seen solo Envy wins for a lot of classes. It's more about learning the correct tactics to use vs. Envy. As was said before, let Bee grenades do most of the heavy lifting. The rest is mostly staying alive while they do all the damage.
 
It's described in the Wiki under strategies for the final quest/boss battle. It's a pathfinding exploit.

Bottom line is, you can do what you want. You can focus entirely on the story and let XP take care of itself. Power is the one you have to pay attention to, since you need it to progress, but Power is easily obtained as described above.

Sit back, relax and laugh ironically at any level recommendations the War Table throws at you. Well, except for the Fallow Mire, but even then you could sneak through most of it and avoid most of the battles.

 

I thought I read something about a level 10 restriction somewhere. Good that I'm wrong here, makes things easier.

 

I think I'm all set then. I have no problem with using exploits after so many playthroughs (wasn't even aware the chest-reloading was one to get schematics), so power will be managable.

 

My focus will be Jars of Bees and a rogue archer for something similar to that video, and I'll look into the kiting tactic.

 

Thanks to all of you!