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MEA's plot is best served by making ME2 Failure Canon.


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This is partially a following-the-joke-trend thread, and part legitimately serious topic. It has been put into spoilers for your ease of reading.

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Why?
 

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The Flaws:

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And now I'm done. I leave you with this giant thread post while I wander off to see if anyone has something to eat.


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*Randomly leaves Broganisity a box of cookies*

 

Some interesting points you make there, i wouldnt be Too opposed if they actually somehow took that route


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*Randomly leaves Broganisity a box of cookies*

If you give a Broganisity a box of cookies, he's going to want a glass of milk to go with it. . . <_<

Mass Effect: Andromeda can't afford to just 'handwave and ignore' the problem like the Dragon Age team does with The Hero of Fereldan/The Warden Commander as the ending(s) of Mass Effect 3 are considerably more conflicting amongst the fans and amongst themselves, not to mention being looked down upon (I enjoyed them for what they were, but basing a new game after them is. . .suspect). What they need is a clever way to cement themselves story-wise and proceed forward.


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Oh of course! *Presents glass of milk* :D

 

I think if they do too much handwaving alot of people are gonna be in rage mode, no surprise there really but regardless i hope they avoid it and, as you say cement themselves story wise and move forward.



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If you give a Broganisity some milk, he'll probably want to drink it from a straw. ^_^

 

As mentioned, they can't afford to handwave the matter, nor can they really afford to canonize any of the endings, Synthesis in particular: that sort of thing doesn't just 'go away' after a few generations. The Reapers are still around watching over things. Why bother going to a world that isn't like yours when you have everything you need thanks to magical green gloop?


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A straw huh? Uhhh... *Rummages around*....   Found one! *Gives straw* :D



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If you give a Broganisity some milk, he'll probably want to drink it from a straw. ^_^

 

As mentioned, they can't afford to handwave the matter, nor can they really afford to canonize any of the endings, Synthesis in particular: that sort of thing doesn't just 'go away' after a few generations. The Reapers are still around watching over things. Why bother going to a world that isn't like yours when you have everything you need thanks to magical green gloop?

 

Emergency induction port.


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MEA's plot is best served by just forgeting the original trilogy.


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Thank you! But- now that I've finished here, could I have a napkin?

 

MEA's plot is best served by just forgeting the original trilogy.

Forgetting is far worse than ignoring. Things need to be addressed in some fashion (just as the DA team has attempted to do with the Warden, to mixec reception) in order for Bioware, or anyone for that matter, to move on.

Yes, ME:A is a new entry into the world and more welcoming for newcomers to the franchise to jump in and join along for the ride, but to forget your roots is a dangerous path. Look at your triumphs and acknowledge your shortcomings. Mass Effect is the sum of its parts and not standalone in its entries.


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I think for this to happen, Wilson must have sabotaged Project Lazarus, the SR-2 is unlikely to have been built without Shepard's body. Wilson doesn't have to have done it when ME2 starts just at some point. 



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. . .

*DRAMATIC FIST SLAM*

Clone Shepard. The Answer was in front of us the whole time.


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. . .

*DRAMATIC FIST SLAM*

Clone Shepard. The Answer was in front of us the whole time.

 

Honestly I wanted to save the clone to be used as a sacrificial lamb instead of using Shepard.



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Honestly I wanted to save the clone to be used as a sacrificial lamb instead of using Shepard.

 

I was hoping you could romance the clone.



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I was hoping you could romance the clone.

I was hoping you could play practical jokes on people with the clone.


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That would be one of the worst things Bioware could ever do. It makes all of Mass Effect 3 completely pointless.



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Killroy, on 09 Sept 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:snapback.png

That sounds like 2 or 3 hours of content, at best. They would have to pad it out with filler, just like ME2.

If a reworking of the series is to happen in this hypothetical situation, the only way to make it work, IMO, is to swap ME1 and ME2, having the Collector abductions being what kickstarts Shepard's adventure. S/he gets minor aid from the Council in the form of two Spectres, Nihlus and Saren, to investigate the abductions of colonists on the fringes of Council space. When the Collector threat is discovered and found to be a threat to more than just humans(they're just starting into Council space after hitting isolated pockets of colonies of numerous races elsewhere in the galaxy) the Council gives Shepard and the Spectres more resources(a full crew, access to independent operatives, money and weapons) and command of the Normandy SR-1. Nihlus and Saren follow your lead as you're now a Spectre recruit and this mission will serve as your test. You recruit assets, gather intel, stifle the Collector's efforts and ultimately exile them in the galactic core. Along the way you discover hints about what they were doing and who they were doing it for(and it wasn't building a giant Terminator Reaper, it was genetic research to Reaperize the various races). During the final assault Saren is thought dead and left behind in the galactic core. Shepard is made a Spectre and humans become a full-fledged Council race with a seat on the Council. The intel on the Collectors is given to the Council and taken seriously. No death and rebirth, no Cerberus.

Then ME2 is essentially ME1. It's several years later(this time jump is a necessity). Shepard has been a stellar Spectre. The game opens with Shepard being a badass Spectre, taking down a ring of eezo smugglers or something. Then you go to Eden Prime to retrieve some functioning Prothean tech, a Reaper shows up, Saren is "back from the dead" with a Geth army, you find the beacon and get the vision, skip the plant monster, give Benezia a bigger role(she never actually did anything in ME1...), don't make Saren a Frankenstein cyborg until after Sovereign "upgrades" him, change the final battle so it's just pure firepower(Council fleet, Citadel defense systems) that wreck Sovereign instead of the weird mind projection into Saren's hoppy corpse thing. No working for a terrorist organization with endless resources and endless capacity for failure, no "Ah yes, 'Reapers'..." nonsense.

ME3 then does the Reaper invasion, but no Crucible and no Space Babby BS. Between ME2 and ME3 the Council races were preparing for an all-out war but the Reaper forces are too powerful. The solution is to get to the galactic core and use experimental technology to use a black hole as a wormhole to another galaxy. Instead of uniting the races to fight a ground war you're gathering great minds and resources(including genetic material to colonize the new galaxy, like in Interstellar) to bolster your chances of comlpeting the mission and successfully colonizing the new galaxy. Because you need the Reapers to remain unaware of what you're doing you have to keep the galaxy-at-large fighting them and the choices you make determine how well your secret is kept and for how long. The more "ruthless" and determined you are the more time you have to prepare. The more "soft" and flexible you are, the less time you have. If you succeed the game ends with an escape to the Andromeda galaxy, with glimpses into the early stages of colonization.

Then Andromeda starts...


EDIT--Oh, and you'd have to fight the Collectors when you get to the galactic core in ME3. You know, for extra drama and excitement.

 

I actually like it. A lot. Much better than what we got. Alas...

 

Edit: It would be a powerful moment, seeing Saren killing Nihlus after your version of ME1. Very good indeed.

 

In fact, the Virmire survivor decision would have an even more powerful impact, specially if you did a perfect suicide mission ( "You can't always save everyone Shepard").

 

It would give ME3 an even more bleak prospect as well: You are not fighting to win against the Reapers, you are just stalling them. For a shred of hope of fleeing.

 

We need a new ME (original) trilogy.



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That would be one of the worst things Bioware could ever do. It makes all of Mass Effect 3 completely pointless.

 

Au contraire, cloning Shepard makes perfect sense for Andromeda!  Who better to send exploring an alien galaxy than an army of clones of the best of the best!

 

In ME:A, EVERY player character should be Shepard clone.  And in ME:A MP, everyone should start with BotB banner unlocked by default.  This resolves every issues and is terrific idea.


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Au contraire, cloning Shepard makes perfect sense for Andromeda!  Who better to send exploring an alien galaxy than an army of clones of the best of the best!

 

In ME:A, EVERY player character should be Shepard clone.  And in ME:A MP, everyone should start with BotB banner unlocked by default.  This resolves every issues and is terrific idea.

If I was ever to sabotage the Genophage, it would be for you. :wub:


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We need a new ME (original) trilogy.

 

I disagree, but admit it is an interesting idea.


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Shepard never survived the destruction of the Normandy at the start of ME2 ... everything that happened after that point was his oxygen starved brain making weird stuff up :P



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I was hoping you could romance the clone.

Imagine the Three way with your LI! A joke. Saw a Comic strip where Femshep said that to Liara when sad about being unable to save the clone. Liara then punches Shep.

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I used to think ME2 failure was impossible. Turned out you just had to be really incredibly bad at the game to fail it.



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I used to think ME2 failure was impossible. Turned out you just had to be really incredibly bad at the game to fail it.

Assuming you're trying not to fail.

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Where is the dislike button?

 

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I used to think ME2 failure was impossible. Turned out you just had to be really incredibly bad at the game to fail it.


Or just really good at it.
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