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Wardens cause blights?


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I think the ancient Warden logbook you find at Shimmer Stone Mine in the WA is intriguing:

 

So close. We nearly reached him. Made it down to what looked like a dwarven thaig where the song was actually audible, real and thrumming through the air, not just in our heads. It rattled through the lyrium pillars and shook the earth beneath our feet to its dreadful tempo. We lost thirty men in the last cave-in, and the Warden-Commander is abandoning the mission. I tried to argue for one last push, but the rock is too unstable down there. Well have to find another Archdemon somewhere more solid.

 

It seems like any Archdemon will do. It doesn't sound to me like the purpose is to kill it. So what do they want with an Archdemon? (I was actually hoping that this would be elaborated in Descent.)

 

In line with the general DAI idea that organizations are built on lies and exist mainly to self-perpetuate, my guess is we'll discover that the Grey Wardens actually arouse archdemons & cause blights, somehow,  justifying their continued existence & buttressing their prestige and power. This ancient logbook is a glimpse of their efforts in this direction before the 2nd blight. Presumably this is known only to the First Warden and his/her inner circle. 

 

Some dialog between Solas & Blackwall seems relevant:

 

Solas: The Wardens see themselves as the world's defense against the Blight, do they not?
Blackwall: Yes... why do you sound so skeptical? Doesn't everyone know this?
Solas: When an Archdemon rises, they slay it. What will they do when all the Archdemons are slain?
Blackwall: Retire?
Solas: Without Archdemons, there can be no Blights. Is that the reasoning?
Blackwall: Right. Where are you going with this?
Solas: Nowhere. I hope they are correct.

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I believe the Grey Wardens attempt to find and slay the Archdemons if possible before they are found and blighted by the darkspawn.


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If that were the case, why did the Wardens wait four hundred years between the fourth and fifth Blight? They dwindled into irrelevance and obscurity in that time. If they wanted to remain relevant and powerful, why did they wait so long to fire up a Blight? We know from The Calling that the Fifth Blight was caused by The Architect obtaining the location of Urthemiel from the Wardens through manipulation, so it's not like the Wardens started it intentionally. Even in the case of what was happening in DAI, the Wardens were still planning to slay the olds gods before they could be tainted. So while the Wardens are undoubted ruthless bastards, their intention of slaying Old Gods and fighting the Darkspawn seems to be genuine.
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In Tresspasser, doesn't Varric elaborate about Weishaupt(sp?) saying there is something going on there and that he expects Hawke to walk away right before it explodes as is his precedence?



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If that were the case, why did the Wardens wait four hundred years between the fourth and fifth Blight? They dwindled into irrelevance and obscurity in that time. If they wanted to remain relevant and powerful, why did they wait so long to fire up a Blight? We know from The Calling that the Fifth Blight was caused by The Architect obtaining the location of Urthemiel from the Wardens through manipulation, so it's not like the Wardens started it intentionally. Even in the case of what was happening in DAI, the Wardens were still planning to slay the olds gods before they could be tainted. So while the Wardens are undoubted ruthless bastards, their intention of slaying Old Gods and fighting the Darkspawn seems to be genuine.

 

On my story, the Orlais franchise wouldn't have been in on the secret, known only to the First Warden & his/her circle. I think we're told that control from Weisshaupt is very loose and that most real authority is with the regional Warden Commander. 

 

And it may be that the secret was lost at sometime in the past, or perhaps there's some other reason for the long 4th/5th blight gap or ... dunno.  But I'm pretty sure that we'll find some Dark Secret encysted like a canker of corruption in the most ancient traditions of the Wardens - unless the series doesn't continue or BW decides not to repeat a trope for the umpteenth time :)



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[...] my guess is we'll discover that the Grey Wardens actually arouse archdemons & cause blights, somehow [...]

 

 

Hold on! The blights happen when the archdemons become aroused? Duncan never told me that! :o


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And it may be that the secret was lost at sometime in the past, or perhaps there's some other reason for the long 4th/5th blight gap or ... dunno.  But I'm pretty sure that we'll find some Dark Secret encysted like a canker of corruption in the most ancient traditions of the Wardens - unless the series doesn't continue or BW decides not to repeat a trope for the umpteenth time :)


Yeah, it's still possible, but I'm not sure the evidence is there to make that deduction yet. It's possible they will go this way, since the general trend in Thedas seems to be "everyone is in some way corrupt/not-what-we-thought-they-were". But they've been beating that drum a bit hard of late and I'd like to see them do something else. It just seems a bit obvious at this point.

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Wait, what? That was an ancient Warden logbook?

 

I was under the impression that the panicked current Wardens were digging for the Old Gods in order to use the demon army on them, but clearly I was terribly mistaken. Well, this makes the Wardens even more questionable than before.



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Yeah, it's still possible, but I'm not sure the evidence is there to make that deduction yet. It's possible they will go this way, since the general trend in Thedas seems to be "everyone is in some way corrupt/not-what-we-thought-they-were". But they've been beating that drum a bit hard of late and I'd like to see them do something else. It just seems a bit obvious at this point.

Yep. Maybe after all the anti-warden stuff in DAI & hints of more to come, BW will turn it around and let the wardens be good guys again. Given that they're the least chauvinistic & most inclusive organization in Thedas, that could be satisfying. Perhaps they'll come into their own as a counter to the stupidly chauvinist Solas; perhaps Hawke has discovered some inspiring ancient secret at Weisshaupt, rather than something mouldy/gothicky/corrupt. 

 

Digging in search of archdemons for some purpose other than to kill them (apparently) still looks suspicious but I guess BW could take that in any direction really.


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Solas has kept so much information from the Inquisition I don't fault the Wardens for their efforts. We still don't know what exactly is the Blight and what the Old Gods intended in having the seven magisters break into the Fade. If Bioware gives us the option of awakening the Old Gods without getting them infected with Blight we might finally get some real answers. 


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