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[Drasanil]

You're talking to the one who brought you the Asari birth canal debate after a college drinking session.

 

Not sure I should, but for those of us who aren't regular ME board watchers: please elaborate.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's not bad writing to encourage supporting siding with the Templars. It's bad writing so that there's a need for the Redcliffe mages.

 

Thanks to the Redcliffe visit the Mages have a much stronger, or at least more developed, lead-in to their story. There's a sympathetic- or at least non-antagonistic- reachout from Fiona at Val-Royeaux. Redcliffe offers an explorable area, dialogue with differing viewpoints, and both protagonist and antagonist development (Dorian and Alexius) on top of the interest-hook of time magic. You have an immediate issue, nearby, with a sense of what's wrong and why it's important.

 

Templar route gets a man punching a nun, a brief meeting with an *******, and Casandra's confusion.

 

Aside from that neither choice is set up in terms of 'siding with', if either route benefits from the writing as-is, it's the Mages.

 

Why would we admit something that's not true?

You also forget the College always existing in Trespasser endings and no mention of templars aside from them rebelling against Divine Vivienne if you sided with them. Seems its safe to say Bioware ultimately doesn't care about pro-templars. This is now going to be a pro-mage series.

[TobiTobsen]

My impression of Dean_the_Young will never recover from this. Every well thought-out post from now on will always have this lingering overtone.

[sandalisthemaker]

You also forget the College always existing in Trespasser endings and no mention of templars aside from them rebelling against Divine Vivienne if you sided with them. Seems its safe to say Bioware ultimately doesn't care about pro-templars. This is now going to be a pro-mage series.

 

And yet mages/magic keeps endangering the world.  There has to be something to keep it in check. 

[Xilizhra]

And yet mages/magic keeps endangering the world.  There has to be something to keep it in check. 

Do tell me how helpful templars were with the Breach if you play In Hushed Whispers.

 

What keeps the dangers of magic in check need not be templars or the Chantry.

[sandalisthemaker]

Do tell me how helpful templars were with the Breach if you play In Hushed Whispers.

 

What keeps the dangers of magic in check need not be templars or the Chantry.

 

As about as helpful as the mages if one plays Champions of the Just, I guess.

 

Every major catastrophe that the PC has to fix in this series is the result of magic/mages. I really hope that there continues to be an alternative to being 100% pro-mage in this series going forward. If not the Templars, then something else.  I really like the conflict between mage and non-mage. Magic and the mundane. 

 

There was already the feeling that the game is pushing people to be pro-mage everything. I like ambiguity. 

[Andromelek]

You also forget the College always existing in Trespasser endings and no mention of templars aside from them rebelling against Divine Vivienne if you sided with them. Seems its safe to say Bioware ultimately doesn't care about pro-templars. This is now going to be a pro-mage series.

Teagan still sees Gaspard on the throne, maybe it's a bug like that, and certainly I don't think Bioware doesn't care for pro-templars, neither that all of them are mage haters for being pro-templars.

And yet mages/magic keeps endangering the world.  There has to be something to keep it in check.

Honestly the status quo would be most of beings being able to use magic, some bald dude changed that, and actually mages threat the society on Thedas at most, I don't think they have done or could do something that could really tear the world apart, Qunari and Humans came from elsewhere beyond Thedas and I don't think those places were left empty.

[sandalisthemaker]

Honestly the status quo would be most of beings being able to use magic, some bald dude changed that, and actually mages threat the society on Thedas at most, I don't think they have done or could do something that could really tear the world apart, Qunari and Humans came from elsewhere beyond Thedas and I don't think those places were left empty.

 

I hope that there is a way to stop Solas's plan completely and preserve the way Thedas currently is. 

[Andromelek]

I hope that there is a way to stop Solas's plan completely and preserve the way Thedas currently is.

He only wants to preserve ancient elves while killing everyone else in sight, so, agree with that, however I think his lockdown shouldn't be preserved, that thing is going against nature, always something bad will happen if you defy nature, there must be a way to lead change slowly, if the Veil is not removed, soon or later Thedas will be a sick rock like ours.

[sandalisthemaker]

He only wants to preserve ancient elves while killing everyone else in sight, so, agree with that, however I think his lockdown shouldn't be preserved, that thing is going against nature, always something bad will happen if you defy nature, there must be a way to lead change slowly, if the Veil is not removed, soon or later Thedas will be a sick rock like ours.

 

Removing the Veil will destroy everyone who is currently alive, at least that's what Solas made it sound like.

 

Since that includes our future protagonist for the next game and all of their companions, it would only make sense to fight for survival and how things currently are. Life with the Veil is all everyone's known. Fighting to preserve it makes sense. 

[Xilizhra]

As about as helpful as the mages if one plays Champions of the Just, I guess.

 

Every major catastrophe that the PC has to fix in this series is the result of magic/mages. I really hope that there continues to be an alternative to being 100% pro-mage in this series going forward. If not the Templars, then something else.  I really like the conflict between mage and non-mage. Magic and the mundane. 

 

There was already the feeling that the game is pushing people to be pro-mage everything. I like ambiguity. 

I don't. I find it a false conflict that pushes unnecessary division. Mages and mundanes can live in harmony.

[Andromelek]

Removing the Veil will destroy everyone who is currently alive, at least that's what Solas made it sound like.

Since that includes our future protagonist for the next game and all of their companions, it would only make sense to fight for survival and how things currently are. Life with the Veil is all everyone's known. Fighting to preserve it makes sense.

Not really, not only the elves lived on the time before the Veil, that and the fact that Solas said he had a plan to take down the evanuirs make it sound like he is going to remove the Veil and use some kind of super weapon to wipe out evanuirs and whoever he wants (hope it's not Crucible 2.0).

Beside, even without mages the Veil tears naturally with bloodshed and time, learning to live without it would grant a more everlasting peace than having to clear a huge mess each time someone or something tears it.

[sandalisthemaker]

Not really, not only the elves lived on the time before the Veil, that and the fact that Solas said he had a plan to take down the evanuirs make it sound like he is going to remove the Veil and use some kind of super weapon to wipe out evanuirs and whoever he wants (hope it's not Crucible 2.0).

 

He says, "And as this world burns in the raw chaos...."  etc. etc.

 

That certainly sounds like mass death will be a major by product of his plans. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I don't. I find it a false conflict that pushes unnecessary division. Mages and mundanes can live in harmony.

 

Lies, the purebloods can't let their bloodlines get muddled by those dang muggles.........oh wait, wrong setting.

[Drasanil]

Lies, the purebloods can't let their bloodlines get muddled by those dang muggles.........oh wait, wrong setting.

 

Tevinter, heard of it? 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Tevinter, heard of it? 

 

Oh, thats right. I forgot that I am a card carrying remember of the Tevinter apologist party.

[dragonflight288]

Lies, the purebloods can't let their bloodlines get muddled by those dang muggles.........oh wait, wrong setting.

 

That's right. The asari have a pureblood problem in their genetics as nothing is gained without the aid of those outside the.....wait, wrong setting. 

 

[Dean_the_Young]

You also forget the College always existing in Trespasser endings and no mention of templars aside from them rebelling against Divine Vivienne if you sided with them. Seems its safe to say Bioware ultimately doesn't care about pro-templars. This is now going to be a pro-mage series.

 

That's a rather nonsensical selective interpretation- and utterly irrelevant to what you quoted, which was discussing the quality of the writing leading up to the mage/Templar recruitment mission.

[Dean_the_Young]

Not sure I should, but for those of us who aren't regular ME board watchers: please elaborate.

 

It's really quite simple- there's no sensible reason for Asari to have human-equivalent sex organs down there. Their reproduction is entirely neural/mind-melding, so what's the evolutionary purpose or point of a pleasure sensor like a woman's? Humans feel good getting it on down there because we evolved to reproduce that way. Making is babies is fun, and that's how we do it. But Asari don't... so what's their excuse? Even assuming that there's two excretement tracks and not just one down there- a questionable assumption- it really should just be a birth canal. Not happy fun time zone.

 

In other words- Liara faked it every time, just to make you feel better about yourself.

 

My impression of Dean_the_Young will never recover from this. Every well thought-out post from now on will always have this lingering overtone.

 

Recover?

 

My dear Tobi, I am shocked you had a positive opinion of me in the first place.

 

Next you'll say you thought I was a guy.

[Lumix19]

As about as helpful as the mages if one plays Champions of the Just, I guess.

 

Every major catastrophe that the PC has to fix in this series is the result of magic/mages. I really hope that there continues to be an alternative to being 100% pro-mage in this series going forward. If not the Templars, then something else.  I really like the conflict between mage and non-mage. Magic and the mundane. 

 

There was already the feeling that the game is pushing people to be pro-mage everything. I like ambiguity. 

To be fair the first two games showed some pretty crappy non-mage people too. Loghain almost got Ferelden swallowed by the Blight, the Arishok almost destroyed Kirkwall and Meredith, who was established as already being pretty tyrannical, just went completely crazy by the end (though admittedly the latter is because of red lyrium).

But I think it's hard to write stories about end-of-the-world scenarios that don't include magic. It's a powerful force, if mages aren't tearing the world apart it'll be ordinary people ordering mages to tear the world apart. They were able to (more or less) exclude it with the Qunari because they had Gaatlok but even the Viddasala had Saarath.

Ultimately magic is the most powerful and accessible tool around, if you're thinking of bringing catastrophe to the world you're really not going to exclude magic when your doing it, even if you aren't a mage.

[Ryzaki]

Next you'll say you thought I was a guy.

 

Wait you're not?

 

EVERYTHING I THOUGHT WAS A LIE.

[Xilizhra]

It's really quite simple- there's no sensible reason for Asari to have human-equivalent sex organs down there. Their reproduction is entirely neural/mind-melding, so what's the evolutionary purpose or point of a pleasure sensor like a woman's? Humans feel good getting it on down there because we evolved to reproduce that way. Making is babies is fun, and that's how we do it. But Asari don't... so what's their excuse? Even assuming that there's two excretement tracks and not just one down there- a questionable assumption- it really should just be a birth canal. Not happy fun time zone.

 

In other words- Liara faked it every time, just to make you feel better about yourself.

An interesting hypothesis, and one I used to share, but I've come to doubt it. Asari do feel the concept of physical eroticism themselves, a fact most openly revealed with Aethyta, who waxes nostalgic about Benezia's breasts in ME3, said that she "prefer[red] asses" in ME2, and makes a comment to a Shepard-romancing Liara that definitely implies that nudity is a factor in asari sex lives.

Personally, I suspect that asari evolved from a dual-sexed species that somehow evolved into parthenogenesis, but haven't lost the pleasure-related functions of their sex organs yet.

[Andromelek]

 
 
Recover?
 
My dear Tobi, I am shocked you had a positive opinion of me in the first place.
 
Next you'll say you thought I was a guy.

WTF? this is the third time someone I thought was a guy turns to be a girl, stupid abstraction of images has really played me off on this forums.

[TobiTobsen]

Wait you're not?
 
EVERYTHING I THOUGHT WAS A LIE.

Instead of a wizened old man with ink-stained hands, we got a drunken coed. My whole world view is shattered.
It's madness, madness, I tell you!

[Lumix19]

An interesting hypothesis, and one I used to share, but I've come to doubt it. Asari do feel the concept of physical eroticism themselves, a fact most openly revealed with Aethyta, who waxes nostalgic about Benezia's breasts in ME3, said that she "prefer[red] asses" in ME2, and makes a comment to a Shepard-romancing Liara that definitely implies that nudity is a factor in asari sex lives.

Personally, I suspect that asari evolved from a dual-sexed species that somehow evolved into parthenogenesis, but haven't lost the pleasure-related functions of their sex organs yet.

Honestly the Asari make no sense biologically, you can pretty much just chalk everything they are up to "the protheans did it" and leave it at that.

If I were to guess I'd say they were asexual organisms and then the Protheans found them and turned them into sexual organisms.