Not exactly. The Inquisition was founded with the pourpose of closing the breach and restoring order to the land. How can you restore order if you see Tevinter mages running about and do nothing about it?
And you leave an city at the mercy of Tevinter mages? At that point it's more about "who cares about the rebels? We need to kick these vints out!".
Or not. If you are a mage yourself and personally invested in the rebellion, it kinda makes sense to prioritize the rebels. If you're not, what's happening in Redcliffe is the perfect reason why you should go get the Templars. The rebel mages are being dumb and making dangerous alliances with Tevinter magisters - who do you call when mages are acting up? Templars. So you go get the Templars to deal with the mages acting stupid, and by the time you come back it's too late to save them from their own stupidity. Oh well.
Even Cassandra will suggest you do exactly that - once you leave the Chantry after meeting Dorian, she'll say this whole Tevinter affair is distasteful and you should go get the Templars to deal with it. You lose the rebels out in the end, but well, you tried the logical approach to the issue and couldn't possibly have known the plan wouldn't work out because Corypheus would get testy after you took the Templars you didn't even know were in his hands away from him.
Could it really be worse? If she hadn't rebelled Lambert would have imprisoned the mages, executed others as an example and made others Tranquil. And he would have cracked down on mages for years to come, I'm imagining Kirkwall treatment here.
The executions and Tranquility became a threat because of Fiona's rebellion. The mages had the Divine firmly in their side of the court, and Lambert was such a colossal buffoon that he would have hanged himself (and the rest of his poisonous Order) in good time.
In the face of that is 10 years of slavery, to a magister who is supposedly a moderate in Tevinter, all that bad?
A lifetime of slavery, you mean.
Or not. If you are a mage yourself and personally invested in the rebellion, it kinda makes sense to prioritize the rebels. If you're not, what's happening in Redcliffe is the perfect reason why you should go get the Templars. The rebel mages are being dumb and making dangerous alliances with Tevinter magisters - who do you call when mages are acting up? Templars. So you go get the Templars to deal with the mages acting stupid, and by the time you come back it's too late to save them from their own stupidity. Oh well.
Even Cassandra will suggest you do exactly that - once you leave the Chantry after meeting Dorian, she'll say this whole Tevinter affair is distasteful and you should go get the Templars to deal with it. You lose the rebels out in the end, but well, you tried the logical approach to the issue and couldn't possibly have known the plan wouldn't work out because Corypheus would get testy after you took the Templars you didn't even know were in his hands away from him.
I see nothing illogical with choosing to deal with the tevinters directly. Besides, the templars are quite far from Redcliffe. Leaving the city to it's fate to go for them is just as imprudent as leaving Redcliffe for the circle just to save Connor.
I thought the setup for the Mage quest made more sense with the threat of a Tevinter Magister and cult moving into Ferelden. It just felt like an issue that demanded more attention than some templars who are simply acting like jerks (which isn't even unusual).
The only issue that demands my Inquisitor's attention is the glowing hole in the fabric of reality above the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Whichever faction is more useful to me in closing it is the one I'll pick.
The only issue that demands my Inquisitor's attention is the glowing hole in the fabric of reality above the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Whichever faction is more useful to me in closing it is the one I'll pick.
And I suppose you not liking mages also helps in that decision.
C'mon, dude what does liking mages have to do with anything? What is wrong with going to the Templars first in order to betting defeat the Venatori in Redclifee later?
C'mon, dude what does liking mages have to do with anything? What is wrong with going to the Templars first in order to betting defeat the Venatori in Redclifee later?
One dialogue option shows that you outright don't have time for that, if you make the suggestion to do so.
And I suppose you not liking mages also helps in that decision.
Did I say I don't like mages? I said I felt that the mage rebels were acting like idiots and not exactly putting their best foot forward if they were trying to present themselves as worth while allies, but I have no problem with mages as a whole.
Hell, I side with the mages every time in DA2(started a few playthroughs where I meant to side with the templars but never got that far with them).
Did I say I don't like mages? I said I felt that the mage rebels were acting like idiots and not exactly putting their best foot forward if they were trying to present themselves as worth while allies, but I have no problem with mages as a whole.
Hell, I side with the mages every time in DA2(started a few playthroughs where I meant to side with the templars but never got that far with them).
You do go out of your way to dismiss the mages even when people argue why going to their questline makes sense, that an outside threat demands your attention. And you still ignore an danger (the Tevinters). Would you ignore other enemies roaming about in different situations?
You claim neutrality, but yet you act pretty nitpicky about the mage/templar questline.
This game tries way too hard to get me to choose the mages, which only makes me choose the templars even more.
You do go out of your way to dismiss the mages even when people argue why going to their questline makes sense, that an outside threat demands your attention. And you still ignore an danger (the Tevinters). Would you ignore other enemies roaming about in different situations?
You claim neutrality, but yet you act pretty nitpicky about the mage/templar questline.
I have no problem with people setting their own priorities. What I have a problem with is people trying to dictate mine.
I have no problem with people setting their own priorities. What I have a problem with is people trying to dictate mine.
And with that, I wash my hands of this thread.
Like Templar supporters haven't been doing the same thing. Don't act so superior
...Hear me out, we agree on a lot of things, right? We both consider the circle system to be inane, volatile, and unjust. We both consider the Templar order to be, at best, a corruption of it's intended purpose.
Here's the really, really important thing: All of these scenarios are fictional, sometimes convoluted, and present no actual social consequences. If you act accusatory with every person who disagrees with you, you make us--our side, the side that doesn't think the Templar actions leading up to DAI are particularly justified--seem aggressive and unreasonable. It makes these, casual conversations about fictional lore, unnecessarily tense. There's no point, and nothing to win.
You shouldnt lose your time, nothing will change....Hear me out, we agree on a lot of things, right? We both consider the circle system to be inane, volatile, and unjust. We both consider the Templar order to be, at best, a corruption of it's intended purpose.
Here's the really, really important thing: All of these scenarios are fictional, sometimes convoluted, and present no actual social consequences. If you act accusatory with every person who disagrees with you, you make us--our side, the side that doesn't think the Templar actions leading up to DAI are particularly justified--seem aggressive and unreasonable. It makes these, casual conversations about fictional lore, unnecessarily tense. There's no point, and nothing to win.
One dialogue option shows that you outright don't have time for that, if you make the suggestion to do so.
I must've missed that. What is the dialogue option? I know the quest markers on the War Table say if you do one you can't do the other.
I must've missed that. What is the dialogue option? I know the quest markers on the War Table say if you do one you can't do the other.
It's "let's go and get the templars" when exploring the option to go to Redcliffe Castle.
You shouldnt lose your time, nothing will change.
I don't regret trying, even so.
Their story isn't cheesy. At best it's pathetic and at worst it's disgusting.
Celene & Briala were a dysfunctional couple to begin with. You're supposed to feel uncomfortable at the prospect of them getting back together.
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And you leave an city at the mercy of Tevinter mages? At that point it's more about "who cares about the rebels? We need to kick these vints out!".
And once again, we come back to the core problem of Inquisition's first act: making the Templar and Mage main quests mutually exclusive was a very bad idea. The devs should have embraced the fact that they were making a JRPG in all but name and disposed these two quests in a nice linear fashion: first you deal with the mages while Leliana is looking for the Templar, then your choice at the end of the mage quest line (conscript or ally) define the tone of the Templar Quest.
You shouldnt lose your time, nothing will change.
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