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[Warden_Brody]

I just wanted to confirm that well is it true that the Elven Pantheon of Gods, well aren't even Gods at all? Solas said they were generals, people of power. Also, the elves lost their immortality- could these Elven Gods just have been immortal Elves with a rather large amount of power and Fen'Harel hasn't possessed Solas, Solas is simply Fen'Harel.  So, the Fade and Thedas- were they once one singular world is that what they're getting about? If that's so, doesn't that suggest that the Maker was never there in the first place? Also that raises the question on who the Tevinter Mages even came across in the Halls of the Maker, who or what did they find?

[JasonPogo]

Yes it is confirmed that the elven gods where just very powerful mages. And Solas is and was Fen'Heral the whole time. But this dose not explain if the maker is true or who the Tavinter magister where talking to.

[Illegitimus]

I just wanted to confirm that well is it true that the Elven Pantheon of Gods, well aren't even Gods at all? Solas said they were generals, people of power. Also, the elves lost their immortality- could these Elven Gods just have been immortal Elves with a rather large amount of power and Fen'Harel hasn't possessed Solas, Solas is simply Fen'Harel.  So, the Fade and Thedas- were they once one singular world is that what they're getting about? If that's so, doesn't that suggest that the Maker was never there in the first place? Also that raises the question on who the Tevinter Mages even came across in the Halls of the Maker, who or what did they find?

 

Elves were ageless.  The elven gods, like the old gods, like Mythal, are true immortals.  Neither age, nor violence can permanently slay them without their let.  As to whether they are "true" gods...what makes a god "true"?

[Hydwn]

You see that in the Veilfire doors in Trespasser, and if you ask Solas about it he says it's another version, and probably nearer to the truth.  Then when you ask him about how they became gods, he said that generals became elders, elders kings, and kings, and kings gods.  Nowhere does he absolutely confirm that they were - he seems to stop just short of saying they were only mages - but it's implied and that's the message everyone takes away.

 

Still, bets are hedged.  I wonder if "being a god" is something more than a title, if the Elven mages actually physically became something more through their magic.

 

The devs have always said that they would never confirm or deny the existence of the Maker, but Solas's version does make a mess of Chantry official history.  Is the Maker only the god who made humans (because we never have an explanation in Solas' history for those), in which case where did the world come from?  Or did he make the world as well, and the elves?  For every question we have answered, two more pop u.

[Warden_Brody]

Elves were ageless.  The elven gods, like the old gods, like Mythal, are true immortals.  Neither age, nor violence can permanently slay them without their let.  As to whether they are "true" gods...what makes a god "true"?

 

Solas can remember he was a child however though when he's talking with Blackwall, he's fought in war and is known to have been an archer, based on tales of Fen'Harel. So was he just a normal elf then or something else? In addition to this there's the Elven Pantheon of Gods and then the Forgotten ones? Who were the ones who Fen'Harel fought the war against? I'd suspect the Pantheon of Gods were more leaders of the people and the Forgotten Ones those who enslaved the others.

 

And additionally a silly question, but in theory it must be possible for Solas to take the form of the Wolf correct, I mean isn't the werewolf curse supposed to be from him? I wish we could've asked about that.

[Warden_Brody]

After finishing Trespasser and Inquisition, Solas has become one of my favorite characters. I really admire the guy. 

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

Solas can remember he was a child however though when he's talking with Blackwall, he's fought in war and is known to have been an archer, based on tales of Fen'Harel. So was he just a normal elf then or something else? In addition to this there's the Elven Pantheon of Gods and then the Forgotten ones? Who were the ones who Fen'Harel fought the war against? I'd suspect the Pantheon of Gods were more leaders of the people and the Forgotten Ones those who enslaved the others.

 

And additionally a silly question, but in theory it must be possible for Solas to take the form of the Wolf correct, I mean isn't the werewolf curse supposed to be from him? I wish we could've asked about that.

Weren't the Forgotten Ones demons and such you could fight in DA:O and DA2?

[Warden_Brody]

Weren't the Forgotten Ones demons and such you could fight in DA:O and DA2?

 

On the wiki it states that they were also a part of the Evanuris and were another race of "Gods"

[Ranadiel Marius]

Solas can remember he was a child however though when he's talking with Blackwall, he's fought in war and is known to have been an archer, based on tales of Fen'Harel. So was he just a normal elf then or something else? In addition to this there's the Elven Pantheon of Gods and then the Forgotten ones? Who were the ones who Fen'Harel fought the war against? I'd suspect the Pantheon of Gods were more leaders of the people and the Forgotten Ones those who enslaved the others.

And additionally a silly question, but in theory it must be possible for Solas to take the form of the Wolf correct, I mean isn't the werewolf curse supposed to be from him? I wish we could've asked about that.

Solas was presumably a normal Elvhe. Although what that entails is anyone's guess beyond the immortality.

The Forgotten Ones are Elvhes who didn't believe in the divinity of the Evanuris and sought their own paths of power (see Codex entry Geldauran's Claim from JoH). Presumably they were eventually in conflict with the Evanuris, but we have no codexes or testimony regarding that conflict. Presumably they were Solas's allies in his rebellion, but we don't know for sure.

The enemy from the war that raised the the Evanuris to godhood is currently unkown. Some current theories are dragons and Titans. My personal theory (based on one of the art pieces found in Tresspasser) is that it was the "sun" from elven mythology which corresponds to a currently unknown enemy sealed beneath the Titans.

Weren't the Forgotten Ones demons and such you could fight in DA:O and DA2?

You are thinking of the Forbidden Ones who are spirits banished from the Earth by the Evanuris for not fighting in a war. They also supposedly first taught blood magic to TI Magister s.

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

Solas was presumably a normal Elvhe. Although what that entails is anyone's guess beyond the immortality.

The Forgotten Ones are Elvhes who didn't believe in the divinity of the Evanuris and sought their own paths of power (see Codex entry Geldauran's Claim from JoH). Presumably they were eventually in conflict with the Evanuris, but we have no codexes or testimony regarding that conflict. Presumably they were Solas's allies in his rebellion, but we don't know for sure.

The enemy from the war that raised the the Evanuris to godhood is currently unkown. Some current theories are dragons and Titans. My personal theory (based on one of the art pieces found in Tresspasser) is that it was the "sun" from elven mythology which corresponds to a currently unknown enemy sealed beneath the Titans.
You are thinking of the Forbidden Ones who are spirits banished from the Earth by the Evanuris for not fighting in a war. They also supposedly first taught blood magic to TI Magister s.

What if he started a war that He thought he could win, but when all of "creation" started being destroyed, he took a drastic measure and created the Viel.

[Iakus]

Solas can remember he was a child however though when he's talking with Blackwall, he's fought in war and is known to have been an archer, based on tales of Fen'Harel. So was he just a normal elf then or something else? In addition to this there's the Elven Pantheon of Gods and then the Forgotten ones? Who were the ones who Fen'Harel fought the war against? I'd suspect the Pantheon of Gods were more leaders of the people and the Forgotten Ones those who enslaved the others.

 

And additionally a silly question, but in theory it must be possible for Solas to take the form of the Wolf correct, I mean isn't the werewolf curse supposed to be from him? I wish we could've asked about that.

It looks like Solas was a "normal elf" when "normal was being ageless and having magic.  It seems he warred against those who elevated themselves as gods, becoming in a sense a "god of rebellion" though he never called himself such.  He seemed to have fought against all the Evanuris save perhaps Mythal, who alone cared for the other elves.  This seems in line with the myth of Faen'haral who betrayed both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, locking them all away from Thedas.

 

He became known as "The Dread Wolf" by the Evanuris in an attempt to demonize him and his cause, but he wore that appellation as a badge of honor.

 

I suppose it's possible Solas might be able to become a wolf, if he knows shapechanging magic.  But like I said, Dread Wolf was a name given to him by the Evanuris, which he adopted.

[Kantr]

It looks like Solas was a "normal elf" when "normal was being ageless and having magic.  It seems he warred against those who elevated themselves as gods, becoming in a sense a "god of rebellion" though he never called himself such.  He seemed to have fought against all the Evanuris save perhaps Mythal, who alone cared for the other elves.  This seems in line with the myth of Faen'haral who betrayed both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, locking them all away from Thedas.

 

He became known as "The Dread Wolf" by the Evanuris in an attempt to demonize him and his cause, but he wore that appellation as a badge of honor.

 

I suppose it's possible Solas might be able to become a wolf, if he knows shapechanging magic.  But like I said, Dread Wolf was a name given to him by the Evanuris, which he adopted.

There's a theory floating around that Solas was a spirit of wisdom/pride who took physical form (like cole) and many other elves seemed to have done

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

There's a theory floating around that Solas was a spirit of wisdom/pride who took physical form (like cole) and many other elves seemed to have done

Well, as the Fade and Thedas (The Dragon Age setting) were one, this isn't that hard to believe.... but it seems that he has gone past his normal mandate of wisdom....Though he reflects Pride wonderfully, though not in a bad way.

[Super Drone]

That theory is unfounded and silly.

[Ashagar]

Weren't the Forgotten Ones demons and such you could fight in DA:O and DA2?

 

Your thinking of the Four Forbidden ones which are special demons that so far you have fought a different on in each dragon age game to date.

[Kantr]

That theory is unfounded and silly.

Solas as a spirit of wisdom/pride? Some of the stuff cole says about him.

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

That theory is unfounded and silly.

Why so silly?

Cole is able to physically manifest himself, why couldn't another? Especially back when the Fade and Reality were one?

I don't believe that is the case, but it still is a valid theory as others can/have done it...

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." -Arthur Conan Doyle

[Wahed89]

I think all ancient elves were immortal, it's just that the Evanuris knew how to revive themselves so to speak should their death be quickened by violence. That's my theory anyway.

[Sifr]

Why so silly?

Cole is able to physically manifest himself, why couldn't another? Especially back when the Fade and Reality were one?

I don't believe that is the case, but it still is a valid theory as others can/have done it...

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." -Arthur Conan Doyle

 

But if Solas was a Spirit that had transformed himself into a mortal, why would he be so certain that Cole can't change his nature and become human, when we ourselves can that he can do just that? Solas would have no reason to believe that it was impossible if he had done it himself, especially since he is a champion of the notion that Spirits are people too.

 

As Freud once (supposedly) said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

But if Solas was a Spirit that had transformed himself into a mortal, why would he be so certain that Cole can't change his nature and become human, when we ourselves can that he can do just that? Solas would have no reason to believe that it was impossible if he had done it himself, especially since he is a champion of the notion that Spirits are people too.

 

As Freud once (supposedly) said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

But look what happens when you change your nature: Solas = Pride/Wisdom

Spoiler

You create a Viel out of your "Wisdom" and doom an entire civilization. Literally murdering countless thousands (at least).

[Almostfaceman]

It looks like Solas was a "normal elf" when "normal was being ageless and having magic.  It seems he warred against those who elevated themselves as gods, becoming in a sense a "god of rebellion" though he never called himself such.  He seemed to have fought against all the Evanuris save perhaps Mythal, who alone cared for the other elves.  This seems in line with the myth of Faen'haral who betrayed both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, locking them all away from Thedas.

 

He became known as "The Dread Wolf" by the Evanuris in an attempt to demonize him and his cause, but he wore that appellation as a badge of honor.

 

I suppose it's possible Solas might be able to become a wolf, if he knows shapechanging magic.  But like I said, Dread Wolf was a name given to him by the Evanuris, which he adopted.

 

Good summation, spot on as far as I can tell. You know, he also says something I find interesting in the Trespasser dialogue. He says "the first of my kind are not easy to kill." The first of his kind? Does he just mean all ancient elves? Or does he mean something more, like the original elves of the ancients from whom successive "generations" sprung. "Generations" would take on a whole different flavor for an immortal race but the ancients did sleep when they tired of life. 

[Statare]

Solas says they aren't gods, mostly because he feels that they, and really no known entities, are worthy of subservience and worship, and not because they do not exhibit powers and abilities that by many definitions (outside of the judeo-christian/andrastrian view) would be god-like (world altering levels of magical power, agelessness, ability to survive death, and association with virtues/domains). Remember the Greek and Roman Gods? How about in religions and belief systems that really do not have Gods, but powerful people/entities? Often times such entities are mistranslated into european culture as Gods, even if the concept of an infallible god is completely alien to such cultures. 

 

I think Solas is really questioning whether such entities are worthy of worship, and if all (Ancient) Elves do not have the capabilities to be just as wondrous as the Evanuris became, so a belief in fundamental equality/potential. We also do not know at this point if the Evanuris became say avatars of previous god-concepts or really if Elves had a religion prior to or alongside belief in the Evanuris as gods. We also still don't know much about the Forgotten Ones, and we really don't know all that much about what the Evanuris did/possessed that made them seem so god-like in a society of immortal, word-building Elves who ruled the fade/world. It was probably some pretty miraculous stuff.

 

In all honesty, that is probably why Solas does not like the new world he created, because the potential/abilities of the Ancient Elves were much greater than the limited potential of mortals in the Veiled world. So much so, that even at its worst he feels the previous world was better than this world at its best.

[Super Drone]

He says himself he really is just Solas, and that the Dread Wolf stuff came after. He explains that the Evanuris are powerful Elven mages. He says it outright. Word of the character certainly trumps baseless speculation.

 

 

Also, stop using things Cole says as evidence. People are really bad at interpreting what Cole says.

[Heimdall]

It seems the Evanuris were just normal elves with very powerful magic. It's not entirely clear how much more powerful they were than the average elf before the Veil or if there's a special reason why they were so powerful.

[Daerog]

The Fade and the Earth weren't "One." If they were, how could the Forbidden Ones be banished from the Earth?

 

As that one codex, the Fade and material world is more like having one's eyes open or not, the two are not like two nations with a border, it's more metaphysical than that. That hasn't changed, the only difference is that Solas made the "barrier" or "boundary" between the two "worlds" a lot more difficult to cross with the Veil.

 

So, it's like Solas added a cataract to reality's eye and now wants to do cataract surgery.