It's implied from Solas' explanation that the key to the elves immortality was the two worlds being one: the Fade and the physical world.
Once the Veil was created, elves began to age. But they were NOT immortal in the days of Arlathan. The first of his kind simply didn't die easily, in his own words, the first being the Evanuris.
Solas wants to bring back the immortality of the elves, I suppose. And to do that, he needs to destroy the Veil. The consequence being the destruction of Thedas.
If we think about Morrigan's explanation as to how to kill Corypheus, we can infer that the Evanuris used similar methods to give a semblance of invulnerability.
Corypheus transferred part of his soul to a dragon. But once you killed the dragon, he became mortal once more. Maybe a similar magic was used by the Evanuris. Maybe that's how they murdered Mythal.
Hence Solas telling you that he didn't count on a Magister having discovered the secret of effective immortality. Transmigration of souls, an old Egyptian esotheric ritual known by practitioners of Occultism. In Thedas' world of fantasy, it corresponds to sharing your soul with a dragon. In Harry Potter, it corresponds to murdering people in order to create Horcruxes, the vessels of fragments of souls.
Therefore, immortality in itself doesn't exist. What the Evanuris did was to cheat death. But if the fragments of their soul are destroyed in their vessels, they die. They are not gods.
It's said implied that the elves could easily cross between the material and immaterial realms. They could explore the deep parts of the Fade if they trained their minds for a hundred years and allowed Epiphany to show them.
They are one in the sense that they are the same "place," but that is still the case in modern Thedas. The difference between the two is how one is "present" in the place they are at. The Veil prevents mortals from being more "present" in the Fade compared to how they once were. Since the Fade is the immaterial world, and time isn't really a factor there, the more present you are in the Fade the less time will impact you. So, they are immortal since elves were "present" in both worlds.
The mages in Thedas could "scout the Fade" to look for anything amiss in the area they were in, which makes sense if they were fighting a force that was connected to the Fade, it doesn't work with darkspawn.
It's implied from Solas' explanation that the key to the elves immortality was the two worlds being one: the Fade and the physical world.
Once the Veil was created, elves began to age. But they were NOT immortal in the days of Arlathan. The first of his kind simply didn't die easily, in his own words, the first being the Evanuris.
Solas wants to bring back the immortality of the elves, I suppose. And to do that, he needs to destroy the Veil. The consequence being the destruction of Thedas.
Where are you getting that they weren't immortal? Solas says clearly that they were immortal before he raised the Veil.
Where are you getting that they weren't immortal? Solas says clearly that they were immortal before he raised the Veil.
In Trespasser, he says the first of his kind weren't easy to kill.
They had a long life span, but were not immortal. If one can die, one is mortal.
Where are you getting that they weren't immortal? Solas says clearly that they were immortal before he raised the Veil.
I think he means immortal as in can't die. That is not the case before the Veil, as Mythal was killed.
In Trespasser, he says the first of his kind weren't easy to kill.
They had a long life span, but were not immortal. If one can die, one is mortal.
Immortal in the case of Dragon Age means not getting older, it doesn't mean impervious to harm.
I wonder how old and mature Solas actually was. In party banter with Cole, he mentions he was a young elf which I find interesting- he led a rebellion, from what we know was successful and he banished the Pantheon of the Gods, save for Mythal who's essence was now with Flemmeth. He said he was Solas first, perhaps he was just a normal ancient elf, although he didn't bare markings so he wasn't a slave. The fact that he says Fen'Harel came later implies that he didn't become reguarded as a god until he led this rebellion, which well changed all the lives of the elves. So I believe he was very young when he led this rebellion, as he believes he wasn't wise enough and didn't do anything right.
Immortal in the case of Dragon Age means not getting older, it doesn't mean impervious to harm.
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Then no one in Thedas is really immortal. Except for the Maker. If he even exists.
Solas is pulling a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds.... I wouldn't consider him that mature.
What did he expect to replace the Evanuris with when he rebelled?
He didn't approve of the actions of some people before the Veil, what does he expect after he tears it down? He's trying to change the world while ignoring those who populate it, it could be the Evanuris all over again or worse.
You can say, won't bringing down the Veil let the evanuris come back? His reply "I have plans." Hmm, like his grand plan to put up the Veil in the first place, apparently not realising what it would do to everyone else apart from the evanuris, and his plan to give the orb to Corypheus thinking it would blow him up and he could reclaim it. Solas has plans but with a sort of tunnel vision that precludes him from even considering that his plan might go wrong until it does. He thinks if he tears down the Veil he can just restore everything like it was before. But he didn't create what he destroyed, others did. So what makes him think his wretched plan will work? That presumably is the bit he doesn't want to tell you, when you ask why it is necessary to destroy our world to restore his.
His name is very fitting. He is seems humble but he is not and thinks he has the right to destroy our world and the gall to say he is not a monster in doing so, just because he made sure we had a few years of peace before hand, like giving the condemned man a last meal.
The thing is you can look at the ruling structures in Thedas and say nothing lost. I wasn't entirely against the Qunari plan to remove the leaders but felt the ordinary working people might not accept the Qun as easily as they thought. But Solas isn't just changing who is in charge. He is destroying everything; men, women, children, animals, birds, plants - everything will be destroyed in the fires of chaos. One of the early trailers for DAI went around showing us all the lovely scenery in Thedas. No doubt it's real purpose was to show off their new game engine but what it said was "this is what you are trying to save". It is worth saving, even if you don't think much to the intelligent creatures at the top of the food chain.
What has me at a loss is this apparent "choice" between "redeeming" Solas and "killing" him. I prefer the notion, whatever it takes to stop him - I seriously don't see how you're going to convince him not to go ahead with his plan but I'd give it a go. However, should the opportunity arise to stop him some other way, I'm not going to pass it up simply because I said I was going to redeem him. He's already made it clear that killing him may well not be a permanent solution, simply leave the possibility that like Mythal he will be back, so that doesn't seem like the answer. However, proving him wrong doesn't necessarily imply I give a s**t about whether he is redeemed or not. I might sympathise with him over the past but that doesn't excuse him trying to take away our future.
I wonder how old and mature Solas actually was. In party banter with Cole, he mentions he was a young elf which I find interesting- he led a rebellion, from what we know was successful and he banished the Pantheon of the Gods, save for Mythal who's essence was now with Flemmeth. He said he was Solas first, perhaps he was just a normal ancient elf, although he didn't bare markings so he wasn't a slave. The fact that he says Fen'Harel came later implies that he didn't become reguarded as a god until he led this rebellion, which well changed all the lives of the elves. So I believe he was very young when he led this rebellion, as he believes he wasn't wise enough and didn't do anything right.
Doesn't this totally depend upon why the Enuvaris were banished?
It wasn't just for Mythal's murder. He says something along the lines of "That alone was enough" ... but not the exact reason.
Cole also agrees with what Solas did in their banter
I don't think he did a silly youth mistake ...
I think he means immortal as in can't die. That is not the case before the Veil, as Mythal was killed.
...part way. Clearly they killed her original body and maybe her backup body, and in the process diminished her from what she once was. And yet...Flemeth is still there.
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