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Does the Keeper need a buff?


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Now that there is a faction that can spell purge barrier.

 

She used to be the #1 mage when it came to barrier, but now there are so many mages that can barrier better than her.

 

Her barrier spell has the longest cooldown of any of the mages... Something like flashpoint passive would serve her well seeing that she is still restricted to only casting in a small AoE circle. 

 

She has an amazing barrier but now that it can be taken away in a instant she needs a little love thrown her way. 


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Yes, she does. That character is painful to play until you're about ready to promote.

 

Move gathering storm down, pls.



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Yes keeper is near obsolete thanks to infinite barrier range of saarebas class, the only reason people bring her into nightmare now is for static cage or disruption field. Other support classes have better dps, crowd control,team buffs and sadly better barrier bot abilities.

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#SAVETHEKEEPER

 

Be cool if she could auto generate her own barrier like the AW? Aren't they from the same clan?

 

Damn Shems, keeping the Keeper down.  


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Static Cage didn't need a nerf.


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My keeper has retired to tend the garden of the hunter.


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Static Cage didn't need a nerf.

 

Nothing in her skill tree needed a nerf. 

 

Flash Point for the Keeper or non decaying barrier would fill in some of her inconsistancies.... Or just barrier all on cast. 



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Yes, she does. That character is painful to play until you're about ready to promote.

 

Move gathering storm down, pls.

 

She is quite fun to play once I got her to high level.  And then I realized there is no reason to promote her.  If I want mage promotion I just do it on the Saarebas.  Saarebas is strong starting level 1.   The warrior is the same thing.  Why would I want to slowly level my Lego at level 1 when I could keep him at level 20 and just level my Reaver.   The only problem is the Rogue.  Silent's Sister levels really fast but she doesn't count toward the Experienced Rogue chest for the drakescale armors.   I am currently working on my Archer for that.

 

Back to the Keeper.  She was much more fun to play once I read about Disruption Field here.  That spell is awesome.



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Does the qunari's spell purge proc the freeze passive? Haven't tested it yet.

 

I always take Fade Cloak as a fourth ability now, just in case I run into qunari. Quite a shame, since dispell is nice against Saarebas.



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My keeper has retired to tend the garden of the hunter.

 

Oh, you didn't!



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Back to the Keeper.  She was much more fun to play once I read about Disruption Field here.  That spell is awesome.

 

Uh, hate to break it to you, but disruption field was nerfed.  It no longer blocks projectiles.  At a minimum, that needs to be fixed before I'll ever level her up again.



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Now that there is a faction that can spell purge barrier.

 

She used to be the #1 mage when it came to barrier, but now there are so many mages that can barrier better than her.

 

Her barrier spell has the longest cooldown of any of the mages... Something like flashpoint passive would serve her well seeing that she is still restricted to only casting in a small AoE circle. 

 

She has an amazing barrier but now that it can be taken away in a instant she needs a little love thrown her way. 

yeah the keeper is obsolete  , I never really liked the keeper in the first place , but now she is just like those old pants hanging in your closet that you just happened to have forgotten about and now your like thirty and you got them when you were 18 yup...



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Oh, you didn't!

Well it could be another knife ear, they all look alike to my hunter.

 

As for the keeper, no she is still viable, Barrier can still be a big help though not as big, static cage is still a great spell which really helps grouping enemies, she can sill have decent mobility with frost step.  Just because she may not be as good of a barrier master as the saaebas does not mean she is garbage.


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Am I the only person who can think of combining barrier and elemental pact?

If I thought the patient could still be saved I'd order this forum some brains.

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I'd been saying this for awhile. It's the fact that she has such long cooldowns and mana costs that she needs some sort of buff. Maybe an innate bonus to mana regen when near other players, a unique Barrier buff, whatever. She's just not the go-to support class anymore.



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Fade shield, but divided amongst party members.

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Move static cage and gathering storm up in the tree. Increase duration of static cage. Give her pull of the abyss.

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+30% armor bonus w/in 5 meters of keeper 



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Am I the only person who can think of combining barrier and elemental pact?

If I thought the patient could still be saved I'd order this forum some brains.

 

Already have elemental pact on her. 

 

The main problem is the down time if your barrier is insta-spell purged by the Qunari. Unlike all other mages that can spam barrier if needs be, she is really screwed when this happens. 

 

Flashpoint added to the Keeper tree will make her an amazing mage.



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The keeper is my most hated mage and my willpower is over 200, so lots of mage experience, lol. I finally have the banner for her and I will NEVER play her again unless she gets some crazy buffs. I think she's just awful and is easily the worst mage by far.

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Already have elemental pact on her. 
 
The main problem is the down time if your barrier is insta-spell purged by the Qunari. Unlike all other mages that can spam barrier if needs be, she is really screwed when this happens. 
 
Flashpoint added to the Keeper tree will make her an amazing mage.


Quite possibly, but what about

-making proper use of Elegant Defense and putting barrier on some other ppl for a change
-getting Gathering Storm early and using it
-having Guardian Spirit to save you
-disrupting the dispellers with Veil Strike (and procuring more mana for Chain Lightning)
-Static Cage, does it get buffed across different characters?
-fade cloak, in case all the above were to fail

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Quite possibly, but what about

-making proper use of Elegant Defense and putting barrier on some other ppl for a change
-getting Gathering Storm early and using it
-having Guardian Spirit to save you
-disrupting the dispellers with Veil Strike (and procuring more mana for Chain Lightning)
-Static Cage, does it get buffed across different characters?
-fade cloak, in case all the above were to fail

 

I think what scene_cachet meant is that, while Zither and Hissera can easily reapply barrier to teammates if purged, Neria can't because of the long cooldown even with Gathering Storm and that her range is quite limited. And unlike the other two, her other spells like Static Cage and Veilstrike has high cost, long cooldown, and inaccurate against the enemies that can spell purge (i.e. Ben-Hassath Assassin).


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Quite possibly, but what about

-making proper use of Elegant Defense and putting barrier on some other ppl for a change
-getting Gathering Storm early and using it
-having Guardian Spirit to save you
-disrupting the dispellers with Veil Strike (and procuring more mana for Chain Lightning)
-Static Cage, does it get buffed across different characters?
-fade cloak, in case all the above were to fail

 

I have all those except for fade cloak because 2 seconds of fade cloak is not as useful as 8 seconds of Disruption field. 

 

Also why would anyone play Keeper if they were planning on only putting barrier only on themselves?

I am also yet to met anyone who doesn't use guardian spirit with a support mage. 

 

How does your build work on NM as the only mage with the Qunari faction?

 

Procurement of mana is the least of my worries with the amulet of renewal and also having heart of pride i can pew pew 50% faster but her barrier is still slower than any other class. 

 

The time it takes any other mage class to recast barrier after spell purge has happened makes the Keeper one of the worst support mages in higher difficulties and she used to be the go to choice. 



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I think what scene_cachet meant is that, while Zither and Hissera can easily reapply barrier to teammates if purged, Neria can't because of the long cooldown even with Gathering Storm and that her range is quite limited. And unlike the other two, her other spells like Static Cage and Veilstrike has high cost, long cooldown, and inaccurate against the enemies that can spell purge (i.e. Ben-Hassath Assassin).

 

Also the Elementalist can spam barrier if he wanted to with Flash Point. 



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I think what scene_cachet meant is that, while Zither and Hissera can easily reapply barrier to teammates if purged, Neria can't because of the long cooldown even with Gathering Storm and that her range is quite limited. And unlike the other two, her other spells like Static Cage and Veilstrike has high cost, long cooldown, and inaccurate against the enemies that can spell purge (i.e. Ben-Hassath Assassin).

 

Bingo. The Keeper is limited by both mana AND cooldowns in a way most of the other mages aren't. All of her major, class-defining abilities have massive cooldown times and high mana costs.

 

 

Honestly, I feel like one other factor that tends to go unmentioned that really hurts the Keeper is how the spawn system changed awhile ago. When each zone had several distinct, discrete, and more or less stationary pulls, the Keeper excelled because she could Barrier the party plus drop a Static Cage around the mass of the enemies, handily enabling the party to quickly and efficiently deal with a group.

 

Nowadays however, the spawn system has enemies coming in a steady trickle from multiple angles, strung-out and typically spread apart. The Keeper is good at dropping one or two big, impactful spells before she's out of mana and waiting on cooldowns. That just isn't suited to how fights go in the game now.