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[Nefla]

Well,I'm trying to understand Krem......Krem is a man trapped in a female body,so I'm interested who Krem hooked up with.

He hooks up with a woman, but gender identity and sexuality are separate things.

[BansheeOwnage]

Well,I'm trying to understand Krem......Krem is a man trapped in a female body,so I'm interested who Krem hooked up with.

That doesn't matter. Sexuality and gender identity are unrelated.

 

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[Nefla]

That doesn't matter. Sexuality and gender identity are unrelated.

 

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You're going to give away the secret that we are Borg number 94...oops.

[darkway1]

Someone transgender isn't someone who just happens to look and sound like what's typical of the opposite gender. Shale was originally female and still identified as female, the way her golem self looked wasn't a factor. Either way he wasn't created to be "edgy."

 

Here are some of his lines you probably missed that may help you understand his position (the first part at least, it looks like someone also wrote their own romance dialogue) http://raedmagdon.co...romance-sample/

 

Thank you for the link....the Shale reference has more to do with the players perspective,when you first meet shale,the character comes across as a rather camp (and violent) character,you assume the character is male,you are intentionally lead to think that way but later your whole perspective gets turned upside down when you (and shale) learn that Shale is in fact female.........Shales memories return,so yes,shale does identify her self as female but from the players perspective,you see a female in a masculine body with a masculine voice........it captures the same concept/spirit as Krem........except Krem had very little character development.

[Donk]

I think a complex character like Krem was handled terribly by the writers,more effort went into explaining Mabari Hounds than Krem,the character just seemed crowbarred in for......well,I don't really know,reasons???.
The complex nature of Krem demands a more fleshed out character in order to understand Krem's unique perspective but DAI's kid cartoon approach to story telling just isn't geared to handle mature characters of this nature.

DAO indirectly tackled the concept of trans-gender via Shale,a classic camp sounding,masculine looking Golem who turns out to be female dwarf,so Krem is nothing new or edgy,just a poorly handled character in my opinion.

Lol wot.

[Nefla]

Thank you for the link....the Shale reference has more to do with the players perspective,when you first meet shale,the character comes across as a rather camp (and violent) character,you assume the character is male,you are intentionally lead to think that way but later your whole perspective gets turned upside down when you (and shale) learn that Shale is in fact female.........Shales memories return,so yes,shale does identify her self as female but from the players perspective,you see a female in a masculine body with a masculine voice........it captures the same concept/spirit as Krem........except Krem had very little character development.

Well you see, being transgender isn't about other people, it's about you and how you see yourself (though usually you'd want to pass as the gender you identify with to other people as well). I could look at a very short and slim man with delicate features and mistake him for a woman but that doesn't make him transgender. I'm a tall woman and in highschool I had a short haircut and a few people mistook me for a boy from behind, that doesn't make me transgender.

[Donk]

Well you see, being transgender isn't about other people, it's about you and how you see yourself (though usually you'd want to pass as the gender you identify with to other people as well). I could look at a very short and slim man with delicate features and mistake him for a woman but that doesn't make him transgender. I'm a tall woman and in highschool I had a short haircut and a few people mistook me for a boy from behind, that doesn't make me transgender.

I was very butch in high school and was often called "It" "Wannabe man" and "Hermaphrodite" to name a few.

Having said that I did have gender issues so to speak, and considered becoming a man. By the end of high school however I accepted that I was female. I can still be myself, I didn't have to change gender.

I blame stereotypes and "gender roles" more than anything growing up. While most girls played with barbie dolls I played with action figures. This was considered "wrong".

[darkway1]

Well you see, being transgender isn't about other people, it's about you and how you see yourself (though usually you'd want to pass as the gender you identify with to other people as well). I could look at a very short and slim man with delicate features and mistake him for a woman but that doesn't make him transgender. I'm a tall woman and in highschool I had a short haircut and a few people mistook me for a boy from behind, that doesn't make me transgender.

 

Im up against the Borg,that's not very fair,shields up...where's Q when you need him.

 

I understand what Transgender is but Shale acts,talks and looks like a guy (Golem),that's what I see.........later understanding that Shale is a female on the inside is in essence the same as transgender,Male on the outside,female on the inside..........is that not the same as Krem?  

[Donk]

Im up against the Borg,that's not very fair,shields up...where's Q when you need him.

I understand what Transgender is but Shale acts,talks and looks like a guy (Golem),that's what I see.........later understanding that Shale is a female on the inside is in essence the same as transgender,Male on the outside,female on the inside..........is that not the same as Krem?

While I get what you are saying there, I disagree.

I could certainly tell Shale was female. But fictional creatures.. And animals, are very different from people.

Take a look at dragons for instance.. Can you really tell male from female?
They are defined from whether they have the ability to produce young dragonlings, a male is needed to drop a load in so the female can hatch.

Humanity in this day and age is far different. Just as animals cannot draw, write, or produce movies or have any concept of "entertainment" they do not have the ability to change genders. (With the rare exception or some species)

Shale used to be a female dwarf.. Now she is a Golem. She is still female, and as for her voice, I thought it was feminine. Albeit, deep but still feminine.

It's like saying that Leliana or Morrigan are men because they can fight. If you get my drift.

[darkway1]

I could certainly tell Shale was female. 


 

 

Really........you thought Shale was a female from the go.......we obviously have very different perspectives,so maybe it's best to agree to disagree.

[BansheeOwnage]

Thank you for the link....the Shale reference has more to do with the players perspective,when you first meet shale,the character comes across as a rather camp (and violent) character,you assume the character is male,you are intentionally lead to think that way but later your whole perspective gets turned upside down when you (and shale) learn that Shale is in fact female.........Shales memories return,so yes,shale does identify her self as female but from the players perspective,you see a female in a masculine body with a masculine voice........it captures the same concept/spirit as Krem........except Krem had very little character development.

That may be how you perceived Shale, but not me. At this point, we didn't know how golems were created, and we didn't know they were dwarves originally. I assumed they were constructs, and I've seen enough AIs in fiction to think about genderless beings, so I thought that's what Shale was. I did think she was voiced by a woman though. I never got "male" from her, probably because I don't associate personality traits (or stone bodies) with masculinity or femininity. And I would suggest you try to do the same, otherwise unfortunate things happen, like the case below.

 

I was very butch in high school and was often called "It" "Wannabe man" and "Hermaphrodite" to name a few.

Having said that I did have gender issues so to speak, and considered becoming a man. By the end of high school however I accepted that I was female. I can still be myself, I didn't have to change gender.

I blame stereotypes and "gender roles" more than anything growing up. While most girls played with barbie dolls I played with action figures. This was considered "wrong".

I'm sorry you had to go through that, but I'm glad you ended up being okay with yourself. (That's why I always tell Dorian he's brave. He didn't give in just because of tradition or warped expectations.) Society can be harsh, and I absolutely loath these preconceived notions about masculinity or femininity that go so far as to include activities or preferences, even personality traits. That's absurd. People aren't masculine or feminine because of the toys they play with, their job, the way their hair looks or clothes they wear, or because of which colours are their favourite. Grow up and move on, people.

 

It makes me sad to see so many people being hurt and hurting others because of such ridiculously petty things. It gets ingrained in their minds that they have to be, look, and act a certain way. And eventually they start to believe it. Well, don't believe it. These invisible chains are strong, but you're stronger. Break their hold and be yourself, for yourself.

 

Huh. I guess I got a bit carried away there for a second. Oh well

[Bhryaen]

... However, Krem wasn't the one shoving his identity down people's throats, really. It was Bioware--and Bull, by extension. Krem makes a nice, subtle passing mention of his identity, and nothing more needs to be said. Bioware, however, made most of the response options "Please lecture me--one way or another--about the existence of trans people," with only one response option to ignore. Krem's comment was so subtle and easy to miss that it doesn't make sense for the "Tell me about them trans folk" options to monopolize the dialogue wheel (especially when we take into account how easily the Inquisitor misses details in conversations). I think substantially fewer people would have complained if it had been less in-your-face like that. Anyone who would complain even had it not been handled so obnoxiously should be disregarded, plain and simple.

 

With all the options to bring it up, one way or another, it felt like Bioware was screaming, "Please! Let us tell you about trans people! I'm itching to educate!" I know how dysphoria feels; I have to deal with it every day. This isn't helping anyone. Shut up. If people plug their ears and turn away when others preach about religions they aren't interested in or lectures they don't want to hear, how can you expect people to listen to this and respond positively? Next time, I'd suggest trying to be subtler than a giant, blinking neon sign pointing at Krem saying, "THIS GUY IS TRANS! ASK ABOUT HOW TRANS HE IS!"

 

Bioware are often good at subtlety, but it's painfully obvious--and IMO their writing goes down the tubes--whenever they try to make social statements. The difference is so jarring that it feels like they got some random intern to write those parts. Thankfully, they're more or less few and far between, but hopefully, they'll learn from this and go back to their subtle writing that makes fans go, "Ah-ha! Nice one, Bioware!" That's the kind of stuff people say when listening to Solas after having beaten the game (and Trespasser), among other things. Alternatively, they'll just be passive-aggressive (wouldn't be the first time) and be even worse about it on purpose.

 

Anyway, I happen to like Krem quite a bit, but since he can be dead, there's really no chance for his character to be further fleshed out. Harding, however...

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Gender always seems a bit too arbitrary as a social construct to me, but that's another discussion...

 

I mentioned earlier in the thread that the devs did bring up Krem's transgender status a bit too abruptly, almost making us ask about it initially. You enter the encounter with a simple introduction from Bull to his crew and suddenly you have an option to react to Krem being a "not-woman." That point is fair enough with clarification.

 

But you don't have to pursue it. This is a key aspect, not incidental. Just like you don't have to pursue Dorian's personal quest (which is heavily about his homosexuality) or pursue pursue Fiona's background as a Warden or her experiences as a mage. Did Bioware shove Fiona's Warden past down our throats too? Were they they shouting on a giant, neon sign, "HEY, LOOK! SHE WAS ONCE A WARDEN!"? That's Fiona's backstory after all, and backstories are necessarily "in-your-face," right? And Fiona is a lot more central as a character to the main story than Krem. Again, like I said earlier, there's a reason that Krem's transgender background is getting so many indicative guffaws compared with other NPCs, and it's not because Bioware is wantonly planting "Trans folks are neat" banners in their games. It's because the subject of being transgender is apparently a touchy subject for some.

 

It isn't as if being transgender had little impact on Krem's life or- projecting from Krem- on any number of other transgender people in Thedas. If you choose (choose) to get to know Krem, is it in any way reasonable to leave out the whole transgender aspect... you know, because it would be more "subtle" that way? And learning about it also helps you understand how that all-too-human condition works its way into the world of Thedas. The devs could just as well have written the lore for Thedas to celebrate transgender folks as shamans. My favorite movie of all time is "Little Big Man" more or less regarding Amerindians in which there is one character named Little Horse who is a very "effeminate" man- presumably gay. The tribe accepted him (ooh, Amerindian lore!... albeit Hollywood-inspired) as a "humane" (hoo-mah-nay). He's a minor character but he plays a recurring role in the movie's history of the tribe and the protagonist's experience. Was that also Hollywood "shoving homosexuality down our throats"? Or was it just an interesting, quirky character than makes you wonder about how that aspect of humanity is treated in Amerindian society compared with others? How do dwarves deal with transgender types? Or elves? In DAI you can ask about it in Krem's case. Or not. But if "Little Big Man" were a game, it would be cool to have the choice to ask Little Horse about his background, learning what he went through as a humane. Or not. Your choice. And I can't imagine "Little Big Man" without that character, even if he's not my favorite or most memorable character.

 

You bring up religion... powderkeg issue for me... but, yeah, if Krem's background were all about {name your real-world religion here}, that'd be obnoxious. RL religion is already "in-your-face." Leliana and Wynne in DAO were definitely obnoxious characters for me given their constant harping about the "Maker." I merely endured them, as I have Leliana's "personal struggle" when you first talk to her in Haven. But this in no way negates their background or experience or makes their dialog "forced" from a writer's perspective. It's who they are. I may not like indulging them on it in-game, but it became just one of the things I knew I couldn't help but frown through when interacting with them. It's part of their character- inextricably. You even get disapproval for not being likewise superstitious- as you do briefly with Cassandra in Haven as well. And it's a lot like RL that way- having to at least be tolerant of what you don't like. It's the main (not only) reason I was always so tempted to leave Leliana in Lothering once I'd played DAO and had seen the type of character she was.

 

The whole transgender identity is a RL experience also, but in Krem's case, you don't even have to bring it up or care about it at all. Krem isn't written to pursue it with the player or disapprove of you because you don't "get it" regarding transgender folks. He doesn't exactly absurdly try to convert anyone to "trangenderhood" (which would be a pretty funny interaction, come to think of it), so that too is notably unlike RL religion. Refreshing contrast, no? And despite what I think about the arbitrariness of being "transgender," it's not in the least as obnoxious as a RL thing as RL religion tends to be, so I have no inclination to avoid Krem's content as a result, but again, that's my personal preference. My choice. Choice is there. Krem just lays it out nonchalantly... if you pursue it, among a number of things you can ask him about his past, including Tevinter, the Chargers, etc. And that's why Krem is a very mature, grounded, reasonable merc to deal with, unlike DAO's Leliana for me. I get no impulse to tell Krem to "shut up," especially given that I was the one to ask. Threnn, on the other hand, insisting on going on a rant to everyone how innocent Loghain was at Ostagar, I can't shut her up fast enough, regardless of how fast or far I run away from her...

 

PS. Thanks for the word "dysphoria."

 

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Contrast this with being a prominent woman in Thedas. Apparently there's never been a substantial development of sex divisiveness in Thedas. So there wouldn't be as much point in having a female DA character you can ask, "What has it been like as a woman?" The answer of, "Pretty much like a man other than being able to get pregnant" would be common and more or less expected... except among the qunari, of course.

[Drasanil]

That doesn't matter. Sexuality and gender identity are unrelated.

 

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Well, yes and no. You can say that for a person that is trans. However, and this is rather important, a person that they may or may not want to enter into a relationship with them may [and most likely will] disagree entirely with the assertion. Because the vast majority of people are not trans or gay/lesbian/bi and what a given person actually has under the hood, so to speak, still matters a great deal despite "official" protestations to the contrary. 

 

Now all this said, it is obvious Maryden is bi, because if she were straight then the actual plumbing under the hood would still matter. I have no problem with this, unless Bioware tries to claim she is perfectly straight and is entering into a straight relationship with Krem. In which case they've gone so far off the politically correct deep end that their opinions on reality itself are not worth any meaningful consideration.

 

Unfortunately, I fear that is exactly the case, they're so obsessed with pleasing certain minority interest groups that they've for all intents and purposes thrown out what the vast vast majority of people consider to be factually correct in practical terms.  

[Andraste_Reborn]

Leliana and Wynne in DAO were definitely obnoxious characters for me given their constant harping about the "Maker."

 

Actually, Wynne isn't particularly religious. She and Leliana even have some banter about it:

 

Leliana: You are not religious, yes? You do not believe?

 

Wynne: I do, to some extent. It does not govern my life, however. Why do you ask?

 

Leliana: Oh, nothing. You are just a very good person, and it shows, and I thought at first you were religious, like some of the revered mothers. But no, I thought about it and I realized that you are not.

 

Wynne: I do what I do because I enjoy it; because I enjoy teaching others, helping them. I do not seek recognition for my works. I do not seek the approval of my peers, nor the approval of a distant god.

 

So it seems that she thinks the Maker exists, but isn't a practicing Andrastian. You can also give her a book about the theory that Andraste was a mage and she approves of it.

[Nefla]

Really........you thought Shale was a female from the go.......we obviously have very different perspectives,so maybe it's best to agree to disagree.

Well, Shale does have a female VA. She reminds me of Ursula from The Little Mermaid. Personally I saw her as a genderless magical construct until I learned that she was once a living woman so it wasn't some huge re-adjustment.

[TammieAZ]

Well, yes and no. You can say that for a person that is trans. However, and this is rather important, a person that they may or may not want to enter into a relationship with them may [and most likely will] disagree entirely with the assertion. Because the vast majority of people are not trans or gay/lesbian/bi and what a given person actually has under the hood, so to speak, still matters a great deal despite "official" protestations to the contrary. 

 

Now all this said, it is obvious Maryden is bi, because if she were straight then the actual plumbing under the hood would still matter. I have no problem with this, unless Bioware tries to claim she is perfectly straight and is entering into a straight relationship with Krem. In which case they've gone so far off the politically correct deep end that their opinions on reality itself are not worth any meaningful consideration.

 

Unfortunately, I fear that is exactly the case, they're so obsessed with pleasing certain minority interest groups that they've for all intents and purposes thrown out what the vast vast majority of people consider to be factually correct in practical terms.  

 

 

The evil agenda...

[Donk]

One only fears a so called "agenda" if it is affecting them majorly on a psychological level.

I must wonder Tammie.. If your heart beat so fast in your chest and you swooned like a princess, the first time you laid eyes on Krem. Only to find out later in a conversation.. He has no danglybag!

[daveliam]

@Drasanil

 

Banshee's point was about Krem's sexuality, though.  Gender identity and sexuality aren't necessarily linked.  Knowing Krem is a transman doesn't clue you in on his sexuality at all.  Until Trespasser came out, we really had no idea what his sexuality was.  Now we can assume he's either straight or bisexual since he can end up with Maryden.  But until that scene, he could have had any sexuality, frankly.

 

I'm not going to get into the point about Maryden's sexuality because it's not super relevant.  But I do know people who would argue against your point.  For example, I know a straight woman who is in a relationship with a transman.  She has always identified as straight and still sees herself as such.  They've been together for years and both identify as straight.  I know several transmen who are in serious relationships, though, and most of their partners are bisexual women.  In fact, they all are except for the one I mentioned above.  But that might just be my experience.  I guess, ultimately, it's no one's place to determine someone else's sexual orientation.  If a man is married to a transwoman and identifies as straight, then he's straight, in my opinion.  It's not my place to argue with how he identifies.  If that make sense.

[Dieb]

I actually think (if the scene hadn't been slightly akward and rushed and unrealistic, since, come on, who would seriously turn down the ZITHER! for anyone) they just like the person and their face.

 

Everything else you just make work. That's the only thing love is good for. It makes things just work.

 

Unfortunately, I fear that is exactly the case, they're so obsessed with pleasing certain minority interest groups that they've for all intents and purposes thrown out what the vast vast majority of people consider to be factually correct in practical terms.  

 

You don't consider  anything to be factually correct. Either you consider it to be correct, or it just is  factually correct.

 

For example, it is factually correct that gender and sexuality are not the same thing.

 

With honesty I tell you, I would be less obnoxious -to which I must admit at this point- if this deranged "interest democracy" approach weren't such a semantic short circuit, and more importantly, so exhaustingly unnecessary. Can't we just let them have something? Why must every touchy topic pass the stellar writing test, why everything else is just "meh" at the worst?

[WildOrchid]

The evil agenda...

 

That evil agenda!! Beware, you might end up eaten.

[Donk]

That evil agenda!! Beware, you might end up eaten.

And in our world, being eaten is a wonderful thing

[TammieAZ]

And in our world, being eaten is a wonderful thing

 

 

There are children present . Stop that.

[Andraste_Reborn]

There are children present . Stop that.

 

Given how much adult content there is in Inquisition, I should hope not. It's not aimed at children, and is rated accordingly.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Gender always seems a bit too arbitrary as a social construct to me, but that's another discussion...

 

I mentioned earlier in the thread that the devs did bring up Krem's transgender status a bit too abruptly, almost making us ask about it initially. You enter the encounter with a simple introduction from Bull to his crew and suddenly you have an option to react to Krem being a "not-woman." That point is fair enough with clarification.

 

But you don't have to pursue it. This is a key aspect, not incidental. Just like you don't have to pursue Dorian's personal quest (which is heavily about his homosexuality) or pursue pursue Fiona's background as a Warden or her experiences as a mage. Did Bioware shove Fiona's Warden past down our throats too? Were they they shouting on a giant, neon sign, "HEY, LOOK! SHE WAS ONCE A WARDEN!"? That's Fiona's backstory after all, and backstories are necessarily "in-your-face," right? And Fiona is a lot more central as a character to the main story than Krem. Again, like I said earlier, there's a reason that Krem's transgender background is getting so many indicative guffaws compared with other NPCs, and it's not because Bioware is wantonly planting "Trans folks are neat" banners in their games. It's because the subject of being transgender is apparently a touchy subject for some.

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The whole transgender identity is a RL experience also, but in Krem's case, you don't even have to bring it up or care about it at all. Krem isn't written to pursue it with the player or disapprove of you because you don't "get it" regarding transgender folks. He doesn't exactly absurdly try to convert anyone to "trangenderhood" (which would be a pretty funny interaction, come to think of it), so that too is notably unlike RL religion. Refreshing contrast, no? And despite what I think about the arbitrariness of being "transgender," it's not in the least as obnoxious as a RL thing as RL religion tends to be, so I have no inclination to avoid Krem's content as a result, but again, that's my personal preference. My choice. Choice is there. Krem just lays it out nonchalantly... if you pursue it, among a number of things you can ask him about his past, including Tevinter, the Chargers, etc. And that's why Krem is a very mature, grounded, reasonable merc to deal with, unlike DAO's Leliana for me. I get no impulse to tell Krem to "shut up," especially given that I was the one to ask. Threnn, on the other hand, insisting on going on a rant to everyone how innocent Loghain was at Ostagar, I can't shut her up fast enough, regardless of how fast or far I run away from her...

 

PS. Thanks for the word "dysphoria."

 

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Contrast this with being a prominent woman in Thedas. Apparently there's never been a substantial development of sex divisiveness in Thedas. So there wouldn't be as much point in having a female DA character you can ask, "What has it been like as a woman?" The answer of, "Pretty much like a man other than being able to get pregnant" would be common and more or less expected... except among the qunari, of course.

 

Oh, I never wanted Krem to shut up; I thought I'd made that clear (thought being the key word here. I proofread what I wrote multiple times, but I guess I still neglected to make certain POV's clear.) Krem was perfectly fine. Bioware's approach was just poorly done in certain cases, that it made me want to tell them to shut up. I also meant that the several options to pester inquire Krem about his identity acted as that aforementioned neon sign, not simply having an entirely optional conversation about it in some fashion. Again, I likely neglected to connect the two while writing up my wall o' text.

 

I think there's slight pressure to choose those "tell me more" options when they keep showing up, for information's sake, or even if you just want to get the damned thing out of your dialogue menu. (Anyone else annoyed that Varric's options never seem to go away?) The biggest issue is that a couple of those inquiries result in the player getting snapped at by whomever they're talking to. If someone wishes to learn more about something, getting snippy at them because they didn't ask their question in the most sensitive, hand-holdy way turns them off from wanting to learn more about what you are/what makes you--and others like you--tick/etc. And the fact that most of the inquiries were purposely phrased in decidedly ignorant ways by Bioware just makes it feel like a bigger lecture. On the whole, I feel it was handled poorly. If they'd kept it subtle, then gave you the options to casually chat with Krem (maybe Bull, but talking about Krem's private business to anyone other than Krem is rude IMO--feels like gossiping) about it later, and not in ways that would result in you getting yelled at, I believe that would have been the ideal way to handle it.

 

This lecturing (not just the presence of and niggling bother to choose options that inquire for more information) is what I was talking about when I said being preachy just turns people away, rather than getting them to ally with you in whatever way you'd prefer. If they'd added tonal options to the inquiries (say, "sensitive," neutral, and "ignorant"), even that would have worked out better than: [Ask only question I have the option of asking] -> [Get bitched out]

 

Anyway, I'm glad we agree that the cutscene conversation was weirdly... handled?  The most sensitive option, "Did you always know?" seemed like it came out of nowhere and had no context, no continuity. If I was Krem, and the Inquisitor had asked me that after my little binding advice quip, I'd be like, "Did I always know what? Did I always know I'd leave Tevinter to be a mercenary? Did I always know that I'd be best friends with an oxman, of all things? Can you be more specific?" It almost feels like the best options to keep the conversation going smoothly are the ignore and the "I didn't even realize!" options. At least the latter still seems to fit and it only results in sarcasm rather than a "how dare you!" The sensitive option won't get you yelled at either, of course, but again, it just feels like it's missing something and thus, should not be picked, for immersion reasons.

 

Also, on the subject of Shale, I had initially thought she was an effeminate male before becoming a golem and was really excited about it. All we had were super butch dwarf males and neutral ones, but no "camp" ones. I thought the "behavior spectrum" was being expanded upon, but it wasn't, and it may never when it comes to dwarves. Personality-wise, the female dwarves have far more variety so far. I will admit, I was disappointed to discover Shale was a female dwarf all along, not that it means anything as a golem. I still adore her to bits--no less than I would if she actually had been a "he." Her personality helped with that. Effeminate and vain, but still tough and scrappy? Those are super fun combinations, and I'm hoping we can see that in a male dwarf someday, just... not to the point of flamboyance.

 

Edit: TFW you didn't think you wrote a wall of text, but you actually did...

[BansheeOwnage]

Well, yes and no. You can say that for a person that is trans. However, and this is rather important, a person that they may or may not want to enter into a relationship with them may [and most likely will] disagree entirely with the assertion. Because the vast majority of people are not trans or gay/lesbian/bi and what a given person actually has under the hood, so to speak, still matters a great deal despite "official" protestations to the contrary. 

 

Now all this said, it is obvious Maryden is bi, because if she were straight then the actual plumbing under the hood would still matter. I have no problem with this, unless Bioware tries to claim she is perfectly straight and is entering into a straight relationship with Krem. In which case they've gone so far off the politically correct deep end that their opinions on reality itself are not worth any meaningful consideration.

 

Unfortunately, I fear that is exactly the case, they're so obsessed with pleasing certain minority interest groups that they've for all intents and purposes thrown out what the vast vast majority of people consider to be factually correct in practical terms.  

@Drasanil

 

Banshee's point was about Krem's sexuality, though.  Gender identity and sexuality aren't necessarily linked.  Knowing Krem is a transman doesn't clue you in on his sexuality at all.  Until Trespasser came out, we really had no idea what his sexuality was.  Now we can assume he's either straight or bisexual since he can end up with Maryden.  But until that scene, he could have had any sexuality, frankly.

 

I'm not going to get into the point about Maryden's sexuality because it's not super relevant.  But I do know people who would argue against your point.  For example, I know a straight woman who is in a relationship with a transman.  She has always identified as straight and still sees herself as such.  They've been together for years and both identify as straight.  I know several transmen who are in serious relationships, though, and most of their partners are bisexual women.  In fact, they all are except for the one I mentioned above.  But that might just be my experience.  I guess, ultimately, it's no one's place to determine someone else's sexual orientation.  If a man is married to a transwoman and identifies as straight, then he's straight, in my opinion.  It's not my place to argue with how he identifies.  If that make sense.

Thanks for saying all that Dave, now I don't have to I'll just add my own summary of your second paragraph.

 

It all depends on the person. Crazy thought, right? For some people, love is either more important than physical things, or they don't care for physical things at all (romantic, asexual people for example). And that's fine. For others, physical things are either very important, or simply important enough that they couldn't go through with being in a relationship with someone physically incompatible with them. And that's also okay. (And I'm not talking about things that literally fit together or not, I'm talking about a person's attraction.) People are just different. Also, you can't help who you fall in love with, which you'd probably do before you saw them naked. You make it work.

 

Given how much adult content there is in Inquisition, I should hope not. It's not aimed at children, and is rated accordingly.

Yeah, I thought you were actually supposed to be an adult to even register here. Am I wrong? (Serious question).