One only fears a so called "agenda" if it is affecting them majorly on a psychological level.
I must wonder Tammie.. If your heart beat so fast in your chest and you swooned like a princess, the first time you laid eyes on Krem. Only to find out later in a conversation.. He has no danglybag!
A man's "danglybag" parts are my favorite parts . 
Really? Are you bringing yours or something?
Well I tend to read out loud most of the time.
I like Krem because he tells good stories about the Chargers, gives The Iron Bull as much guff as he takes, knows how to sit on a chair, and swings that ridiculous hammer like a pro. And because Bull likes him and I dearly love Bull 
But I'm probably just deluded and it's really just all the SJW brainwashing 
Not entirely true. I am not politically correct in the slightest. I just remember a time where it was far from politically correct to be transgender.. Or gay.
And I see the same attitudes, the same people who bash political correctness now and complain about "agenda" till the cows come home, are exactly the same or worse than the current "PC" or "SJW" movement. If not actually worse, because of hypocrisy.
Doubtful, given that poltical correctness is a decidedly modern movement and that it's entire purpose is to dissuade discussing any manner of difference, including gay/lesban/trans, in any remotely critical manner.
In other words, the different person is always right in their difference even if it flies in the face of accepted values, unless of course that person happens to be a member of the acceptable targets. See [the predominately white] Mormon practice of polygamy being wrong because it oppresses of women, where as [the predominately non-white] practice of wearing the Niqab is A-OK despite it being universally recognised as a tool for the oppression of women.
Well I tend to read out loud most of the time.
That's 100% on you.
In DA:O and DA2(aside from MotA) I got the impression that the Qunari were extremely rigid and practical with a hive mind mentality and no room for personal goals/desires/etc...You follow your assignment which the government gives to you based on your aptitude, it doesn't matter if you like it or not. You don't get to marry or fall in love, romantic love is something you would be re-educated for. You don't get to choose who you have children with but are required to submit to their breeding program. If you have children, they are immediately taken away and raised by the government, shaped into another drone. People are brainwashed and tightly controlled, they don't even get names. This was interesting to me in that it was so horrible and alien but at the same time had it's appeal to people outside the Qun that were subjected to poverty, crime, rape, enslavement, and so on. At least the Qun offered security and a purpose.
Tallis being able to fight even though she's a woman and "women don't fight" as well as the whole concept of aqun athlok just doesn't make sense for a rigid and logical society. The only practical reason I could think of why a woman wouldn't be allowed to fight (and therefore the only reason I could see the Qun having for this) is that women are more reproductively valuable than men and should be kept out of harm's way for the preservation of their people. It doesn't make sense for them to have to jump through hoops to be able to contradict their own rule rather than just making some exceptions. "Women don't normally fight, but this particular woman is so skilled that it's worth the potential reproductive loss to have her fighting for us" makes way more sense than "women can't fight but she's um...a priest, yeah that's it and does preistly things!" or "women can't fight so we'll just call them something else and categorize them as men."
The Qun was clearly worked and reworked and changed and added to with each game and the result is to me illogical, contradictory, and not very interesting. It's just like any random human culture overall except for a few tidbits.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The possibility of the Qun being practical went out the window, shattered into a million pieces, and exploded the moment I saw Sten disbelieve that my Warden was both a warrior and a woman, or that a man can't be a baker. They've operated on Insane Troll Logic since they were introduced (as have most societies to some extent). So it makes perfect sense to me that the Qun has all of these loopholes; I don't see them as retcons, because they've always been this way. Is it inconsistent? Hell yes! I just think it's meant to be. That said, I don't necessarily believe Bull about Aqun-Athlok.
And going back to what I said about other most societies having at least some level of arbitrary and idiotic rules in place, it's actually the reason I am not as interested in the Qun as other people. I don't see it being as alien as it's made out to be. It's just like any other society, albeit extreme. But I would be very interested in seeing a culture that is truly 100% practical, which the Qun is not.
Doubtful, given that poltical correctness is a decidedly modern movement and that it's entire purpose is to dissuade discussing any manner of difference, including gay/lesban/trans, in any remotely critical manner.
In other words, the different person is always right in their difference even if it flies in the face of accepted values, unless of course that person happens to be a member of the acceptable targets. See [the predominately white] Mormon practice of polygamy being wrong because it oppresses of women, where as [the predominately non-white] practice of wearing the Niqab is A-OK despite it being universally recognised as a tool for the oppression of women.
You don't consider anything to be factually correct. Either you consider it to be correct, or it just is factually correct.
For example, it is factually correct that gender and sexuality are not the same thing.
With honesty I tell you, I would be less obnoxious -to which I must admit at this point- if this deranged "interest democracy" approach weren't such a semantic short circuit, and more importantly, so exhaustingly unnecessary. Can't we just let them have something? Why must every touchy topic pass the stellar writing test, why everything else is just "meh" at the worst?
Fine, Krem is a woman, that is factually correct. The reason I used "consider" at all was out of respect to Bioware's [and certain members of this forum's] insistence on attempting to rewrite reality to accommodate a handful of people who find themselves unhappy with their lot in life. [Which is unfortunate for them. Truly.] I was being polite and using words to qualify my statements so that people who I knew disagreed could clearly understand my point, with out having to get bogged down on the semantics of what makes a person man/woman.
That said, if an other-kin proclaims themselves to be a dragon, do we take them at their word and insist it clearly must be so? No, of course not. Then why should we pretend someone is a man or woman simply because they would like to be one? As it stands we don't have the technology to make a proper transition happen, if that changes I would be more than happy to reconsider my position, until that time I am not.
"Interest Democracy" has nothing to do with it. It is your side that appeals to opinion and indulgence on the matter, not mine, and then obnoxiously pounces to correct when shown the least bit of consideration. You may pretend your opinion is correct but that relies entirely on upon whether or not the given person you ask has drank the Kool-Aid you are serving in the first place.
the first time you laid eyes on Krem. Only to find out later in a conversation.. He has no danglybag!
Find out? I thought most people pegged Krem as a woman from the get go, I did and never gave it second thought until I got Iron Bull's PSA on the matter.
"Accepted values"
I suppose that's where we differ, because the politically correct movement's entire thing is disregarding accepted values for the sake of promoting/defending "difference" for its own sake. That's why that kid in Texas was "perfectly justified" to show up to school with something looked like a bomb and the teachers were wrong for reacting like it was a bomb and calling the police.
Now, I won't mention names but there exists an arrogant, arsehole transgender on this board. I do not care whether she is transgender, it's the posts and what she puts across that rubs me the wrong way. I will not hold back on criticising, if I clash with this person. Not because she is a trans, but the way she puts herself across.
Does their name start, with X ... yes... no... maybe?
I suppose that's where we differ, because the politically correct movement's entire thing is disregarding accepted values for the sake or promoting/defending "difference" for its own sake. That's why that kid in Texas was "perfectly justified" to show up to school with something looked like a bomb and the teachers were wrong for reacting like it was a bomb and calling the police.
Does their name start, with X ... yes... no... maybe?
Sorry. I'm rambling. As for that last question. My lips are sealed
Tease 
I suppose that's where we differ, because the politically correct movement's entire thing is disregarding accepted values for the sake or promoting/defending "difference" for its own sake. That's why that kid in Texas was "perfectly justified" to show up to school with something looked like a bomb and the teachers were wrong for reacting like it was a bomb and calling the police.
The teachers were wrong for not reacting like it was a bomb - and calling the police.
But that's all I will contribute to not further derail this.
A man's "danglybag" parts are my favorite parts .
Well I tend to read out loud most of the time.
And you don't even deny
What if Krem used a prosthetic penis?
Interesting fact: I have heard that they used the penises of dead men in the transition from female to male. If this is true.. They stay stiff all the time?
Great..
And on that lovely note . Goodnight good people.
The teachers were wrong for not reacting like it was a bomb - and calling the police.
So you call the police when it's not a bomb threat?
It remains my understanding that any society, in which "gay", "social justice warrior" and "political correctness" are negative, has a problem.
So you call the police when it's not a bomb threat?
I was saying that as the published facts remain, nothing was done to protect anyone from an imminent bomb threat; other than taking the item from him and calling the police. But again, I don't want this thread to be closed for turning into a polarized political discussion, and I apologize for not having had the contenance to just let it slide.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The possibility of the Qun being practical went out the window, shattered into a million pieces, and exploded the moment I saw Sten disbelieve that my Warden was both a warrior and a woman, or that a man can't be a baker. They've operated on Insane Troll Logic since they were introduced (as have most societies to some extent). So it makes perfect sense to me that the Qun has all of these loopholes; I don't see them as retcons, because they've always been this way. Is it inconsistent? Hell yes! I just think it's meant to be.
This.
It utterly baffles me people actually thought the Qun could be that rigid and have remained functional for so long. Brainwashing can only do so much people!
I suppose that's where we differ, because the politically correct movement's entire thing is disregarding accepted values for the sake of promoting/defending "difference" for its own sake. That's why that kid in Texas was "perfectly justified" to show up to school with something looked like a bomb and the teachers were wrong for reacting like it was a bomb and calling the police.
No. They either didn't think he had a bomb or they're some of the most incompetent teachers on earth and should be fired immediately before they actually get someone killed.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't get as far away from him as possible, like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office: not like you do when there's a bomb
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive, and then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.
This.
It utterly baffles me people actually thought the Qun could be that rigid and have remained functional for so long. Brainwashing can only do so much people!
Not to start a flamewar or anything, but there are real life examples of centuries of brainwashing cultures with illogical nonsense. The trick lies in keeping people too busy to stop and *think* coupled with rigid control of information and outside influences.
There is a reason so many go Tal-vashoth after leaving Quanri lands.
Not to start a flamewar or anything, but there are real life examples of centuries of brainwashing cultures with illogical nonsense. The trick lies in keeping people too busy to stop and *think* coupled with rigid control of information and outside influences.
There is a reason so many go Tal-vashoth after leaving Quanri lands.
Not to start a flamewar or anything, but there are real life examples of centuries of brainwashing cultures with illogical nonsense. The trick lies in keeping people too busy to stop and *think* coupled with rigid control of information and outside influences.
There is a reason so many go Tal-vashoth after leaving Quanri lands.
True but my point is there's a limit to the nonsense you can pull before people break away. There has to be some give even if it's just for certain members. DAO according to Sten there was none.
Very true.
I like serious Donk! I'm used to sarcastic gigs and emojis.
I like both sassy and serious. 
And it still happens today. And humanity is supposed to be evolved.. LOL
Well, that's a very relative notion. Compared to an egg plant? Sure, but considering the vastness of the universe, our frame of reference is so miniscule that such a notion is borne of ignorance and arrogance more than any real evidence.
True but my point is there's a limit to the nonsense you can pull before people break away. There has to be some give even if it's just for certain members. DAO according to Sten there was none.
Very true.
That's not true. Sten mentions the Tal-vashoth of Seheron in Origins.
Well, that's a very relative notion. Compared to an egg plant? Sure, but considering the vastness of the universe, our frame of reference is so miniscule that such a notion is borne of ignorance and arrogance more than any real evidence.
I don't care about gender or sexual preference or any of that sh*t - just give me interesting and likeable characters. Kren aint interesting or likeable IMO. The presentation of both Krem and Iron Bull seems weird to me. I feel like they are some sort of whacky characature of something - but i have no idea what - yeah boss - Their conversations are about as deep as those in the 1940'sgangsters movies.
JMHO = I try not to talk to either of them unless I have to......
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