I edited my post to include it. Also, I realized he was a Transgender the moment he opened his mouth at the beach as I didn't pay much attention to him at Haven the first time he comes looking for someone to go there. Maybe those people were teenage boys themselves.
Stop acting like one and I'll stop calling you one.
I edited my post to include it. Also, I realized he was a Transgender the moment he opened his mouth at the beach. Maybe those people were teenage boys themselves.
Stop acting like one and I'll stop calling you one.
Are you still digging? I think the hole is 6 feet deep now, you can stop.
I edited my post to include it. Also, I realized he was a Transgender the moment he opened his mouth at the beach as I didn't pay much attention to him at Haven the first time he comes looking for someone to go there. Maybe those people were teenage boys themselves.
Stop acting like one and I'll stop calling you one.
Krem sure makes you mad, huh.
Are you still digging? I think the hole is 6 feet now, you can stop.
And what hole is that? Having a different opinion from someone else and actually having the spine to defend said opinion? Must be an alien concept to cheerleaders like yourself.
Krem sure makes you mad, huh.
Krem? No.
People putting words into my mouth and then writing 3 paragraphs of horseshit based on said invented words does though.
LOL. So not 'mentioning' it is Krem talking about it? Just less? Okay, I agree that this would be less ham-fisted. But how would your solution add to him 'as a human being'? How is it any different outside of being less in your face? How would it make him less of a 'token'? Remember back when that was your argument?Krem? No.
People putting words into my mouth and then writing 3 paragraphs of horseshit based on said invented words does though.
LOL! Again, typical SJW crap.
Here is the difference. I never said you should not ACKNOWLEDGE someone for being transgender, which is EXACTLY what you claimed I said. I said you don't need to MENTION it nor explain it unless ASKED. If you see a transgender person, do you go upto them and say "hey, you're a transgender man/woman" for no reason? No, cause that would be idiotic.
Then I said that acceptance means you stop blinking at transgender people. Meaning that when somoenes gender stops being a topic of conversation, then you've actually accepted them for who they are.
In the case with Krem, you can ask "why do you pass as a man?" Which is completely innocent question borne out of sincere confusion, he gets upset and then IB goes into this explanation thing like talking to a child. Then, to top it off, Krem says "maybe the Qun isn't so bad afterall" which is just so blatant that it makes you faceplam. Yeah, religious zealotry and blind obedience isn't so bad as long as you're treated as a man. Ofcourse, you're also treated as a number with no identity, but as long as you can wear pants it's great!
That is what I take issue with in this case. The IMPLEMENTATION is so crude and blatant that it makes me go "ugh".
That one single reaction from Iron Bull is what's awkward and forced, not the majority of Krem's interactions. You keep saying that Krem's gender is his only defining characteristic, but it's just the characteristic you personally seem fixated on. If instead of being transgender, Krem was let's say an elf-blooded human who was biologically male, and everything else was the same, would we know zero about him? We'd still know that he was close with his father who taught him how to sew, that his mother was a controlling ****** who tried to force him to get married for money and when he refused, she disowned him (yet continued to take the money Krem earned in the army). In this scenario his elf lineage would be the thing he was hiding from the army and the thing he would be bribing a healer to lie about. He would still be put on trial for lying to the government about being fully human where the only chance he would have is paying off that corrupt healer to testify that Krem was a nutjob who should be committed instead of jailed or executed. He still would have chosen to flee and been caught by soldiers as treasonous when he was almost home free and he still would have been saved by Iron Bull who was not only a stranger but also a Qunari, his people's sworn enemy. He would still be calm and rational but with a sense of humor and a fierce loyalty to Bull and the Chargers.
I don't understand why if something is outside of what we usually see, it's "in your face" or "forced" or "the only defining characteristic" but when something is common and is mentioned the same amount or more then it's perfectly fine and the same doesn't apply. How many times in DA2 is Aveline's straightness mentioned? It's brought up in many conversations, both about her dead husband and her new love and potential new husband, there's also a lot of banter between Isabella and Aveline about Aveline's sexuality yet I have never heard anyone say that Aveline's being straight was her one defining characteristic.
Oh bugger off like restrictions.
That post was beautiful Nefla.
No.
Do you go to other threads for other characters and say this?
When it turns into an abomination like this one. Yes
Krem? No.
People putting words into my mouth and then writing 3 paragraphs of horseshit based on said invented words does though.
Yeah ...
People on this site tend to do that . Ganging up on a single guy for having an opinion opposite of theirs. The BSN is slowly becoming timblr .
LOL. So not 'mentioning' it is Krem talking about it? Just less? Okay, I agree that this would be less ham-fisted. But how would your solution add to him 'as a human being'? How is it any different outside of being less in your face? How would it make him less of a 'token'? Remember back when that was your argument?
Look, here's the deal, the more you talk, the more you out your real issues. Just call it like it is.
It would make him seem less like an advertizement of incusivity. Ergo not a token character.
I would have been happier if he was a full companion or better yet, a love interest. Then BW could explore transgenders in-depth.
Oh bugger off like restrictions.
That post was beautiful Nefla.
No u 
That one single reaction from Iron Bull is what's awkward and forced.
And that is exactly why it's the only memorable thing about Krem. Without that conversation, he would just be one of the Chargers, a quirky bunch of mercenaries led by a Qunari love god. 
timbr .
What is that.
That one single reaction from Iron Bull is what's awkward and forced, not the majority of Krem's interactions. You keep saying that Krem's gender is his only defining characteristic, but it's just the characteristic you personally seem fixated on. If instead of being transgender, Krem was let's say an elf-blooded human who was biologically male, and everything else was the same, would we know zero about him? We'd still know that he was close with his father who taught him how to sew, that his mother was a controlling ****** who tried to force him to get married for money and when he refused, she disowned him (yet continued to take the money Krem earned in the army). In this scenario his elf lineage would be the thing he was hiding from the army and the thing he would be bribing a healer to lie about. He would still be put on trial for lying to the government about being fully human where the only chance he would have is paying off that corrupt healer to testify that Krem was a nutjob who should be committed instead of jailed or executed. He still would have chosen to flee and been caught by soldiers as treasonous when he was almost home free and he still would have been saved by Iron Bull who was not only a stranger but also a Qunari, his people's sworn enemy. He would still be calm and rational but with a sense of humor and a fierce loyalty to Bull and the Chargers.
I don't understand why if something is outside of what we usually see, it's "in your face" or "forced" or "the only defining characteristic" but when something is common and is mentioned the same amount or more then it's perfectly fine and the same doesn't apply. How many times in DA2 is Aveline's straightness mentioned? It's brought up in many conversations, both about her dead husband and her new love and potential new husband, there's also a lot of banter between Isabella and Aveline about Aveline's sexuality yet I have never heard anyone say that Aveline's being straight was her one defining characteristic.
Ugh, daveliam ate all my likes so i'm quoting you to say "like". Especially that part about Aveline is so spot on. The hypocrisy is outstanding... 
And that is exactly why it's the only memorable thing about Krem. Without that conversation, he would just be one of the Chargers, a quirky bunch of mercenaries led by a Qunari love god.
That's the only thing memorable to you personally, and the one thing that personally sticks with you. Without Bull's awkward and over the top response, my opinion of Krem wouldn't change at all. All of the things I mentioned are things that I find interesting about Krem and I love his back and forth snark with Bull. Why are you so obsessed with his sexual identity?
No u
What is that.
Something to do with felling trees I reckon 
That's the only thing memorable to you personally, and the one thing that personally sticks with you. Without Bull's awkward and over the top response, my opinion of Krem wouldn't change at all. All of the things I mentioned are things that I find interesting about Krem and I love his back and forth snark with Bull. Why are you so obsessed with his sexual identity?
The foreplay conversation. I don't like Spirit Cole but by god that had me loling. Especially when PC can shoot Bull down and he's all "That hurts Kadan."
also Krem brule. bwahahahaha
*tumblr
So it's timblr, timbr or tumblr?
It would make him seem less like an advertizement of incusivity. Ergo not a token character.
I would have been happier if he was a full companion or better yet, a love interest. Then BW could explore transgenders in-depth.
The foreplay conversation. I don't like Spirit Cole but by god that had me loling. Especially when PC can shoot Bull down and he's all "That hurts Kadan."
also Krem brule. bwahahahaha
I've never made Cole spirit-like (and never will OMG T_T ) but I gotta look this up on youtube or something 
I've never made Cole spirit-like (and never will OMG T_T ) but I gotta look this up on youtube or something
There you go even all the options. XD
(Also I hate spirit cole too. I felt so horrible afterwards. I'm sorry Cole!)
The foreplay conversation. I don't like Spirit Cole but by god that had me loling. Especially when PC can shoot Bull down and he's all "That hurts Kadan."
also Krem brule. bwahahahaha
Krem Brule and the chair reference. So worth it.
And that is exactly why it's the only memorable thing about Krem. Without that conversation, he would just be one of the Chargers, a quirky bunch of mercenaries led by a Qunari love god.
That conversation is not actually what I remembered about Krem when the subject came up. What I remembered is that Krem is the one who actually gets the job done, the one member of the Chargers who isn't quirky.
That's the only thing memorable to you personally, and the one thing that personally sticks with you. Without Bull's awkward and over the top response, my opinion of Krem wouldn't change at all. All of the things I mentioned are things that I find interesting about Krem and I love his back and forth snark with Bull. Why are you so obsessed with his sexual identity?
Why do you insist I am? No, really, I never even claimed to care about his sexual identity, that's what somoene else claimed and you just agreed with it because <reasons>. Not a single one of my posts have had anything to do with his sexual identity, only it's implementation.
Honestly, I find your post rather ironic.
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