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[Star Reborn]

Why did Solas give his orb to a tervinter mage who is a trouble causer, and failure.

[Illegitimus]

Why did Solas give his orb to a tervinter mage who is a trouble causer, and failure.

 

Ehn.  He figured two birds, one stone. If it had actually been able to kill Corypheus permanently, would have been a good idea.  

[Jandi]

Ehn.  He figured two birds, one stone. If it had actually been able to kill Corypheus permanently, would have been a good idea.  

 

Also, the resulting explosion was going to be inevitable. He might have died or been severely hurt in the process so better to let somoene else do it.

[Assassino01]

Because otherwise he'd have to "kill" the last remnant of Mythal in order to regain his power. He probably preferred to try the old "trick the silly human to unlock my ancient orb" gig, before absorbing the power of an old friend. 

[Realmzmaster]

First, It would mean delaying his plans for an unknown period of time. Secondly, Solas is arrogant. He did not believe that Coryheus would survive the blast. He underestimated the extent of Coryheus's ability.

[Mims]

There's no saying he would have ever regained his powers. Presumably he spent them all creating the veil, and the veil is still up. Seems like it was the orb or nothing. [Or, until he phoned for help.] 

[Heimdall]

Considering the way the Veil suppressed magic, there's no telling whether or not his powers would have returned naturally at all.

[ModernAcademic]

Why did Solas give his orb to a tervinter mage who is a trouble causer, and failure.

 

My guess is that the orb originally played a major part in restoring his original powers; to return him to his state as an Evanuris. But Solas needed to unlock it first. 

 

It couldn't be an ordinary mage to do so. He would lack the knowledge and the power.

 

Being all alone in this new world, he resorted to a dangerous alternative: a Magister, rumored to have awakened and whose location was known to a few people.

 

 

 

It's a poor plot, if you stop to think about it. An ancient elven god, seeking the aid of a creature who's so dangerous it could subvert the orb's powers and plunge the world into chaos, ruin and death?

 

So why not choose a safer course of action? Why not seek Mythal's help, instead? Weren't they old acquaintances?

 

Unless he knew she would refuse to carry on his plan to destroy the Veil in advance...

[SandiKay0]

I think he looked for her in the wilds didn't find her the Cory was plan b.

[Wren]

My guess is that the orb originally played a major part in restoring his original powers; to return him to his state as an Evanuris. But Solas needed to unlock it first. 

 

It couldn't be an ordinary mage to do so. He would lack the knowledge and the power.

 

Being all alone in this new world, he resorted to a dangerous alternative: a Magister, rumored to have awakened and whose location was known to a few people.

 

 

 

It's a poor plot, if you stop to think about it. An ancient elven god, seeking the aid of a creature who's so dangerous it could subvert the orb's powers and plunge the world into chaos, ruin and death?

 

So why not choose a safer course of action? Why not seek Mythal's help, instead? Weren't they old acquaintances?

 

Unless he knew she would refuse to carry on his plan to destroy the Veil in advance...

Wait-- I'm confused.  

 

I thought that Solas wasn't originally an Evanuris, just a powerful mage who led a slave rebellion.  It was my understanding that the Evanuris were, more or less, older and more powerful than him to begin with and that he somehow tricked them into imprisonment.

[Heimdall]

It's a poor plot, if you stop to think about it. An ancient elven god, seeking the aid of a creature who's so dangerous it could subvert the orb's powers and plunge the world into chaos, ruin and death?

 

So why not choose a safer course of action? Why not seek Mythal's help, instead? Weren't they old acquaintances?

 

Unless he knew she would refuse to carry on his plan to destroy the Veil in advance...

Well, his plan was for Corypheus to die in the violent release of the orb's power.  To be fair to Solas, that plan would absolutely have worked if Corypheus hadn't turned out to be virtually unkillable, which he couldn't have known about unless he was there when Hawke killed him.

[Heimdall]

Wait-- I'm confused.  

 

I thought that Solas wasn't originally an Evanuris, just a powerful mage who led a slave rebellion.  It was my understanding that the Evanuris were, more or less, older and more powerful than him to begin with and that he somehow tricked them into imprisonment.

No, the Evanuris, all of them including Solas, were war leaders of the ancient elves in a great war that eventually saw them venerated as gods.  He rejected godhood and sought to subvert the others to free the elves.

 

There's nothing saying he was younger than them.

[Mr.House]

My guess is that the orb originally played a major part in restoring his original powers; to return him to his state as an Evanuris. But Solas needed to unlock it first. 

 

It couldn't be an ordinary mage to do so. He would lack the knowledge and the power.

 

Being all alone in this new world, he resorted to a dangerous alternative: a Magister, rumored to have awakened and whose location was known to a few people.

 

 

 

It's a poor plot, if you stop to think about it. An ancient elven god, seeking the aid of a creature who's so dangerous it could subvert the orb's powers and plunge the world into chaos, ruin and death?

 

So why not choose a safer course of action? Why not seek Mythal's help, instead? Weren't they old acquaintances?

 

Unless he knew she would refuse to carry on his plan to destroy the Veil in advance...

No one but probably the First and few very high ranking wardens (and even that might not be the case) knew that Coryfish could not be properly killed, if it was not for his "immortality" he would have died in the explosion and Solas would have picked up the orb. No one could have predicated that

 

1:Coryfish had effective immorality

2:a mortal would interfere

 

The only altenrative is that Solas woulds need to absorb Mythal/Flemeth and that was cleary a last resort.

[ModernAcademic]

Wait-- I'm confused.  

 

I thought that Solas wasn't originally an Evanuris, just a powerful mage who led a slave rebellion.  It was my understanding that the Evanuris were, more or less, older and more powerful than him to begin with and that he somehow tricked them into imprisonment.

 

Well, I'm no expert on the subject, but from Trespasser, I managed to infer two things about Solas and the Evanuris:

 

- Solas went to great lengths to prove to the elven slaves that he was not a god. So from this we can deduce they believed him to be a god, just like the rest of the Evanuris.

 

- Solas only decided to revolt and help the slaves after the Evanuris killed Mythal. From this, we can deduce he posed as a god before the common elves, just as the rest of his kin.

 

We also know he shares the same kind of power the Evanuris did. He knows the secret of effective immortality. He can operate the Eluvians. He created the Veil. All evidence that he was an Evanuris, but gave up his status after the death of his dear friend.

[Heimdall]

- Solas went to great lengths to prove to the elven slaves that he was not a god. So from this we can deduce they believed him to be a god, just like the rest of the Evanuris.
 
- Solas only decided to revolt and help the slaves after the Evanuris killed Mythal. From this, we can deduce he posed as a god before the common elves, just as the rest of his kin.

Killing Mythal was the final straw that led to him creating the Veil but his stance against the Evanuris as a "rebel god" seems to have been more longstanding. It seems he was freeing elves and trying to incite them against the Evanuris for quite awhile. That's why they started calling him the Dread Wolf.

[Morroian]

He's clearly not very patient.

[Jandi]

He's clearly not very patient.

 

Would you be if you were trapped on an island with nobody else except monkeys throwing feces at eachother? I'm pretty sure you would want to get that raft going sooner rather than later.

[DuskWanderer]

More than likely, Solas wanted to get things over with, else he might have to face the prospect that he was wrong. 

[The Night Haunter]

Primarily this: There is no indication that Solas' power would ever reach the levels necessary to unlock the orb. The last time he walked Thedas he had the full power of the fade to work with, now he has the slivers the escape the veil. He said the orb built up too much energy, not he lost too much power to unlock it. I don't think Solas would have been able to unlock the orb at all without either Mythal's soul (and she was hiding) or utilizing Corypheus, the most powerful being on Thedas (he has the power of a supreme magister + the power of the Taint).

[Star Reborn]

So, simply the person who puts the most skillpoints into willpower during their young days of adventuring is the one to use the orb. Solas couldn't level up fast enough on his own. so he became powerful enough after taging along and feasting on the inquisitors hard erned EXP. Solas, the Fuuc!? Jk.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Corypheus had absolutely no business surviving the cataclysmic energies released by the Orb. There really was no way Solas could have foreseen that he could body jump unless he paid a visit to the First Warden. 

 

As for building up power, evidently this didn't happen thanks to the Veil. Absorbing Flemythal was a last resort.

 

And finally, there is his pride. He would certainly not just twiddle his thumbs for who knows how long waiting for power to just come back to him (if it ever does). Direct action was required, and Corypheus was the risk-free venture. It just happened he was effectively immortal.

[Anaeme]

Solas did not know that Mythal was still present in the world in some form.

 

It was only after he entered the temple that he discovered and declared:

 

"So Mythal endures...?"

[Statare]

I have a hard time buying the whole, "Solas did not know! Poor guy! Who could have guessed Cory would live!" argument, for several reasons.

 

Solas knew about the history of post Veil Thedas and the lives of random individuals, because, presumably, he was cognizant while slumbering in the Fade (he knew of Ostagar, he would know of the Blight and thus the Magisters). Assuming Solas does not know about the body hoping abilities of Cory assumes that Solas does not know anything about the Blight and/or the Black City, which seems unlikely to me. The other thing is that regardless of Cory's body hoping abilities, Cory would have survived the explosion. Why? The same reason our Inquisitor survived: the Anchor. Cory says he crafted the Anchor. Meaning he figured he would die in the explosion and built the Anchor, which we took, to deliberately enter the Fade and escape the Blast. That's how we lived. Otherwise we would have died too. So, Solas was wrong on two accounts.

 

I feel like it is possible Solas was completely oblivious to the events of Thedas, but it is also mentioned Solas was awake a while before the Breach. Meaning he should have learnt about the Blight and the Magisters. Thus the only reasonable explanation is that Solas was completely clueless as to who he gave the orb to, only knowing that some Magister was poking around Elven Ruins with a cult. Either way, Solas was not doing his research.

[blahblah]

It's a poor plot, if you stop to think about it. An ancient elven god, seeking the aid of a creature who's so dangerous it could subvert the orb's powers and plunge the world into chaos, ruin and death?

 

So why not choose a safer course of action? Why not seek Mythal's help, instead? Weren't they old acquaintances?

 

1. Solas didnt know that Corpyheus knew the secret to effective immortality.

2. Solas didnt know part of Mythals spirit escaped after the Evanurius killed her.

[Statare]

1. Solas didnt know that Corpyheus knew the secret to effective immortality.

2. Solas didnt know part of Mythals spirit escaped after the Evanurius killed her.

 

I don't buy this. One of the random memory things Solas can give you is about the Spirits being afraid of Flemeth's hut in the Korcari Wilds,. Solas presumably got that knowledge while either awake before the Breach, or while he was slumbering, meaning dreaming, meaning being in the Fade, meaning experiencing the collective consciousness of Thedas.

 

Either Solas did not get these memories until after he awoke, and he did not take means to intervene on Cory surviving, or he was so prideful and arrogant that he thought his plan fool-proof. Or maybe there is more to it than that, like Flemythal being invovled in manipulating what Solas did with out him knowing.