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Why didn't Solas simply wait for his power to return?


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I feel like it is possible Solas was completely oblivious to the events of Thedas, but it is also mentioned Solas was awake a while before the Breach. Meaning he should have learnt about the Blight and the Magisters. Thus the only reasonable explanation is that Solas was completely clueless as to who he gave the orb to, only knowing that some Magister was poking around Elven Ruins with a cult. Either way, Solas was not doing his research.

 

I remember watching a theory on youtube about Solas' being present when Andraste marched on Tevinter all those years ago. In the stained glass illustrations below taken from World of Thedas vol. 1 we can see a bald, orb-carrying man who is also obviously a mage due to the staff and robes. Could Solas have been up and about in the age of Andraste? If that is the case he could be quite a bit better informed than we might think..

 

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Ok Cory is not a failure. If he still had to anchor he would have succeeded in opening a way to the city again. An He gave the orb to Cory so that he would open a way to the black City so he could free the other Elvan is what I believe. I believe the City is the "Heaven" they were locked away in, and he for one couldn't open a way himself and two maybe I think he didn't want to be the one to open the way lol idk.



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Why did Solas give his orb to a tervinter mage who is a trouble causer, and failure.

 

Damn it you actually uncovered a plot hole...Solas said that for the old immortal elves, they sometimes weave spells over a duration of decades because time passes differently for immortals. For all intents and purposes, Solas should have been able to wait decades, even centuries for his own power to awaken...while manipulating events or doing research to further refine his plan. Perhaps creating the veil has diminished him in some way.



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Why did Solas give his orb to a tervinter mage who is a trouble causer, and failure.

 

Damn it you actually uncovered a plot hole...Solas said that for the old immortal elves, they sometimes weave spells over a duration of decades because time passes differently for immortals. For all intents and purposes, Solas should have been able to wait decades, even centuries for his own power to awaken...while manipulating events or doing research to further refine his plan. Perhaps creating the veil has diminished him in some way.



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Solas doesn't seem to have much of a head for thinking through possibilities.    He went ahead and created the Veil, never apparently thinking it would do anything other than trap the other gods.   Yet clearly this required more than the Veil because no one has ever encountered them there, unless of course the Black City is their prison.  Then he arranged for Corypheus to take his orb.    How did he know about Corypheus?    He hadn't yet revealed himself to the world, just the Venatori.   The very fact that he was an ancient Tevinter should have raised alarm bells in Solas' mind because that meant somehow he had survived through centuries from that time.

 

You raise the perfectly valid point, apart from the terrible idea of destroying the present, that if the Veil comes down then surely the bad gods he banished will return.   "I have plans."    I wish we could have replied something rather sarcastic at that point.   Mind you he admits he has sacrificed so many people in one hopeless plan after another.   Yet the penny still hasn't dropped.    Your plans are always deeply flawed, Solas.    

 

The thing is he does believe in discussing plans with other people, even if he doesn't think they might try to stop him.    When he asks you what you are going to do with the Well, even if you didn't drink so actually the questions should be to Morrigan, if you reply something to the effect that you will take the advice of others, then you get "Solas Disapproves".     Of course if you simply say, "I'll make the world a better place", he actually asks what if you wake up one day and find things are worse than before.    You reply, "You keeping trying until you get it right".   "Solas Approves".     Solas only ever approves of what he wants to hear, thus reinforcing his own prejudices and deeply flawed plans for the world.   

 

Solas gave his orb to Corypheus because it fitted with Solas' plans and he lacked the imagination to think it could be otherwise.


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I think he searched for the witch of the wild not mythal.

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ahhh - because then there would be no story :rolleyes:


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I think there is more going on than has been revealed. Solas' time table might be dictated by unknown forces; he says that he's making what he considers the best of bad choices in trespasser. I've always questioned why he awakened when he did. I suspect that he saw or felt something in the fade that let him know that something is going wrong with the veil or that the evanuris are about to break their prison. Whatever is going on, I don't think he's in a hurry because he's impatient; I think he's trying to fix something before a worse something happens.
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Damn it you actually uncovered a plot hole...Solas said that for the old immortal elves, they sometimes weave spells over a duration of decades because time passes differently for immortals. For all intents and purposes, Solas should have been able to wait decades, even centuries for his own power to awaken...while manipulating events or doing research to further refine his plan. Perhaps creating the veil has diminished him in some way.

The world he has woken up to doesn't work on that timescale anymore. He gave the orb to cory as he was too weak to unlock it.

 

The orb built up power but he didn't.



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Damn it you actually uncovered a plot hole...Solas said that for the old immortal elves, they sometimes weave spells over a duration of decades because time passes differently for immortals. For all intents and purposes, Solas should have been able to wait decades, even centuries for his own power to awaken...while manipulating events or doing research to further refine his plan. Perhaps creating the veil has diminished him in some way.

Is Solas still immortal, though, or does he age now because of the veil the same as other elves?



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Solas doesn't seem to have much of a head for thinking through possibilities.    He went ahead and created the Veil, never apparently thinking it would do anything other than trap the other gods.   Yet clearly this required more than the Veil because no one has ever encountered them there, unless of course the Black City is their prison.  Then he arranged for Corypheus to take his orb.    How did he know about Corypheus?    He hadn't yet revealed himself to the world, just the Venatori.   The very fact that he was an ancient Tevinter should have raised alarm bells in Solas' mind because that meant somehow he had survived through centuries from that time.

 

You raise the perfectly valid point, apart from the terrible idea of destroying the present, that if the Veil comes down then surely the bad gods he banished will return.   "I have plans."    I wish we could have replied something rather sarcastic at that point.   Mind you he admits he has sacrificed so many people in one hopeless plan after another.   Yet the penny still hasn't dropped.    Your plans are always deeply flawed, Solas.    

 

The thing is he does believe in discussing plans with other people, even if he doesn't think they might try to stop him.    When he asks you what you are going to do with the Well, even if you didn't drink so actually the questions should be to Morrigan, if you reply something to the effect that you will take the advice of others, then you get "Solas Disapproves".     Of course if you simply say, "I'll make the world a better place", he actually asks what if you wake up one day and find things are worse than before.    You reply, "You keeping trying until you get it right".   "Solas Approves".     Solas only ever approves of what he wants to hear, thus reinforcing his own prejudices and deeply flawed plans for the world.   

 

Solas gave his orb to Corypheus because it fitted with Solas' plans and he lacked the imagination to think it could be otherwise.

 

And that's why so many people love/hate Solas. He is a classical tragedy protagonist. He cannot see the folly of his own actions even though they are guided by the purest of intentions. A deeply, profoundly, flawed individual with too much power and not enough wisdom yet never malice.


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I don't buy this. One of the random memory things Solas can give you is about the Spirits being afraid of Flemeth's hut in the Korcari Wilds,. Solas presumably got that knowledge while either awake before the Breach, or while he was slumbering, meaning dreaming, meaning being in the Fade, meaning experiencing the collective consciousness of Thedas.

Either Solas did not get these memories until after he awoke, and he did not take means to intervene on Cory surviving, or he was so prideful and arrogant that he thought his plan fool-proof. Or maybe there is more to it than that, like Flemythal being invovled in manipulating what Solas did with out him knowing.


But what the Fade shows is screwy - it's the memory imprint that is reflected. To know that Corypheus could body jump he'd have to actually find a memory in the Fade. He's not omniscient.

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Damn it you actually uncovered a plot hole...Solas said that for the old immortal elves, they sometimes weave spells over a duration of decades because time passes differently for immortals. For all intents and purposes, Solas should have been able to wait decades, even centuries for his own power to awaken...while manipulating events or doing research to further refine his plan. Perhaps creating the veil has diminished him in some way.


He couldn't wait. He wasn't immortal anymore. The Veil stole his power much as it did his people's power.

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Corypheus said "You interrupted a ritual years in the making" These guys talk big words.


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He could have influence Anders it was a Tevinter spell he used to blow up the chantry causing the mage rebellion, or he could have influenced Meredith through the idol. He needed the choas to start a war so he could place his people for maxium benifit.

That would take years of prep

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Corypheus said "You interrupted a ritual years in the making" These guys talk big words.

 

Yeah I think that 'years in the making' bit is strange...isn't he just released for a couple of years?



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It's hinted strongly that Coryfish has been influenceing people at Kirkwall in the Legacy dlc.



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Yeah I think that 'years in the making' bit is strange...isn't he just released for a couple of years?

 


u do know a couple is 2 so more than one.

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Corypheus is in a hurry to go back to the "black city", he doesn't care about his descendants or empire, or the qunari encrouching. Seriously, what do they smoke in Tervinter?


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It's hinted strongly that Coryfish has been influenceing people at Kirkwall in the Legacy dlc.

Where?



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Solas believes himself to be the hero of the true elven people. He's not going to wait decades/centuries to get his power back and then help, he wants to help his people now.



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Patience isn't a quality that he possess.



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He couldn't wait. He wasn't immortal anymore. The Veil stole his power much as it did his people's power.

they weren't their power,they come from the fade,at least now we know why the ancient elves were mary sue,problem is that we don't know if the only race affected in a positive by a world without the veil were the one of the elves,kinda like the kryptonian and the yellow sun



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I remember watching a theory on youtube about Solas' being present when Andraste marched on Tevinter all those years ago. In the stained glass illustrations below taken from World of Thedas vol. 1 we can see a bald, orb-carrying man who is also obviously a mage due to the staff and robes. Could Solas have been up and about in the age of Andraste? If that is the case he could be quite a bit better informed than we might think..

Solas only woke up about a year before events of Inquisition, so no. Why would he wake up back then, help Andraste and then what - just decide to sleep some more? What about his plans to remove the Veil?



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I wonder what woke him up.