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[Ilwerin]

 

No, the Evanuris, all of them including Solas, were war leaders of the ancient elves in a great war that eventually saw them venerated as gods.  He rejected godhood and sought to subvert the others to free the elves.

 

There's nothing saying he was younger than them.

He is not one of the Evanuris. He was no general, didn´t make himself king and god. People took him as a god, because he was helping them, offering freedom and wisdom and has powers as Evanuris had. 

 

There are hints suggesting he could be "just" a spirit (of wisdom) who took a physical form or a body of an elven man? Like this one from Cole in Winter Palace - "He did not want a body, but she asked him (Mythal, no doubts) to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face."

 

 

Solas believes himself to be the hero of the true elven people. He's not going to wait decades/centuries to get his power back and then help, he wants to help his people now.

And who are his people? Ancient elves like Abelas? Because he obviously despises Dalish and city elves, wants to destroy their world after all... but still elven servants and inquisition elves disappeared... but not all of them... wierd... Everyone will die when "his" time will come, but some chosen "lesser elves" would be spared (but not his beloved Lavellan)? Why he wouldn´t free and save all elven slaves in Tevinter before he ends the world as we now it? Maybe he intends to do that in years to come.. And does that mean (the disappearances..), that today´s people (or only People people) could survive in his "new old" world?

[Agrona77]

I enjoy reading all the speculations here, but man, Trespasser raised more questions than it answered, for me at least.

 

1. I would like to know if Bioware's writers had planned for this major Lore shift when they first started to write about the History of Thedas. Or did this only come about, when they began to write the story for DA:I? Has this been thought through all the way, or is this something they just put together?

 

2. Sure, great man can become Legends, so it's not hard to believe that the Elven Gods are actually just powerful war leader or mages. However, did they really enslave their own people? How long ago was that? Was that a long time before the fall of the Dales and all the other lands they have lost? If they are truly so powerful, why couldn't they hold on to their lands?

 

3. Solas, oh Solas... the biggest Lore change for me is the creation of the veil. I thought those two realms - the fade and Thedas have always, always been seperated. If it wasn't for the veil, wouldn't demons run rampand in the world, before the veil was created?

 

4. How did the ancient elves live in a world where the Fade touched everything? Was this long before humans settled in Thedas? How long ago did all this take place?

 

5. Why does Solas think that if he removes the veil, it will restore his people? Did he banish the ancient elves as well?

 

6. When he talks about restoring his people, I thought it would mean all the Elves that are alive today. That he would restore their lands, give them back immortality maybe... I mean why would they not be part of his plans. They are HIS people still. It's not their fault that their ancestors lost everything.

 

7. I still can't get over that Solas created the veil LOL

 

8. Solas seems to act without thinking, as many of you pointed out and I 100% agree. My human inquisitor will do everything in her power to hunt him down and stop him, while my Elven Mage, who is in love with Solas, will try to redeem him (or their desdentants or some unknown person who joined the team in DA4 LOL)

[Star Reborn]

I enjoy reading all the speculations here, but man, Trespasser raised more questions than it answered, for me at least.

 

1. I would like to know if Bioware's writers had planned for this major Lore shift when they first started to write about the History of Thedas. Or did this only come about, when they began to write the story for DA:I? Has this been thought through all the way, or is this something they just put together?

 

2. Sure, great man can become Legends, so it's not hard to believe that the Elven Gods are actually just powerful war leader or mages. However, did they really enslave their own people? How long ago was that? Was that a long time before the fall of the Dales and all the other lands they have lost? If they are truly so powerful, why couldn't they hold on to their lands?

 

3. Solas, oh Solas... the biggest Lore change for me is the creation of the veil. I thought those two realms - the fade and Thedas have always, always been seperated. If it wasn't for the veil, wouldn't demons run rampand in the world, before the veil was created?

 

4. How did the ancient elves live in a world where the Fade touched everything? Was this long before humans settled in Thedas? How long ago did all this take place?

 

5. Why does Solas think that if he removes the veil, it will restore his people? Did he banish the ancient elves as well?

 

6. When he talks about restoring his people, I thought it would mean all the Elves that are alive today. That he would restore their lands, give them back immortality maybe... I mean why would they not be part of his plans. They are HIS people still. It's not their fault that their ancestors lost everything.

 

7. I still can't get over that Solas created the veil LOL

 

8. Solas seems to act without thinking, as many of you pointed out and I 100% agree. My human inquisitor will do everything in her power to hunt him down and stop him, while my Elven Mage, who is in love with Solas, will try to redeem him (or their desdentants or some unknown person who joined the team in DA4 LOL)

1 It's all connected, why? The answer is LYRIUM.

 

2 These elven warlords were bannished by the creation of the veil, which destroyed the elven empire since it was based on magic, which allowed the Neromanians who worshiped the Maker from up north, to conquer the elves who were weak, and panicking. In the South of Thedas the humans there, the Alamarri or other kind, also worshiped these Evanuris, and lived along with the elves, however they lived shorter lives, and liked sex, so they had lots of babies, and while the intelligent elves panicked.

 

3 The spirits you see in the fade were the ancient elves/people who were split along with the world, and they are the ones who ended up on the "other side".

 

4 Elves lived like super magical best beings, and humans also lived with them in some form. The Brecilian Forest, and the Ruins of The Dalish Origin are prime examples. The Humans and elves worshiped the Evanuris, but something came and wiped them out. An Arcane enchanter sealed his soul in a life gem, and showed vague memories of this.

 

5-8 Solas thought that since he was a Mage, he did not need to increase his Cunning.

[hippolytus]

What I'm still confused about is if he'd woken up before the year prior to Inquisition. In Trespasser, he talks about waking up a year beforehand but conversation in Haven (going places to dream so the Fade will reflect more which kind of sounds like he means post-Veil) leads me to think he's actually woken up a few times and in Skyhold, I thought he said something similar too. So maybe he just keep sleeping and hoping his power keep leeching from the Fade and building up? Apologies if I mistook the dialogue, but I'm rather confused about that fact. 

[Dai Grepher]

I don't see why he couldn't give the orb to one of his own mage followers. Or some random Dalish Keeper.

 

My explanation for it, before Trespasser, was that Corypheus was in Grey Warden form when Solas first learned of him. So Solas assumed he was just some regular human mage. Then, boom! Surprise. But no, I guess Solas could see that Corypheus was a twisted darkspawn and decided that nothing could possibly go wrong in having a corrupted being toy with elvhen magic.

 

But as to his power returning naturally, I don't see why it couldn't. The bad future, as bad as the Redcliffe arc is, shows that Solas was not able to regain any of his lost power under those conditions. Yet he regained power before meeting with Flemeth. So it's a little contradictory. Why wouldn't Solas just run away after he saw the Herald "die"? Yet in one year's time he is able to mind scramble Flemeth and his eyes glow with light. So maybe he just got captured in the bad future.

 

But the bottom line is, he didn't need Corypheus to unlock the orb. There were plenty of alternatives. Having to wait also is no excuse because he's ageless. And he would have to wait regardless. He had already waited a year before Corypheus finally unlocked the orb, so what's another year to an ageless being? Two years after that, he recovered the rest of his powers without the orb. So waiting should have been no big deal to him.

 

I think Solas was just an idiot who didn't know what he was dealing with. Then when things went wrong, he acted like he had some grand plan for it that simply didn't pan out. No. He had no plan. Just as he had no plan for the evanuris. I also doubt his story about creating the Veil.

[leaguer of one]

He can't. The world is not in a state that he can get to full power. Not even Mythal can get to full power.

[Mlady]

What I'm still confused about is if he'd woken up before the year prior to Inquisition. In Trespasser, he talks about waking up a year beforehand but conversation in Haven (going places to dream so the Fade will reflect more which kind of sounds like he means post-Veil) leads me to think he's actually woken up a few times and in Skyhold, I thought he said something similar too. So maybe he just keep sleeping and hoping his power keep leeching from the Fade and building up? Apologies if I mistook the dialogue, but I'm rather confused about that fact. 

 

I noticed that too. Either he lied or the writers were inconsistent.

[leaguer of one]

I enjoy reading all the speculations here, but man, Trespasser raised more questions than it answered, for me at least.

 

1. I would like to know if Bioware's writers had planned for this major Lore shift when they first started to write about the History of Thedas. Or did this only come about, when they began to write the story for DA:I? Has this been thought through all the way, or is this something they just put together?

 

2. Sure, great man can become Legends, so it's not hard to believe that the Elven Gods are actually just powerful war leader or mages. However, did they really enslave their own people? How long ago was that? Was that a long time before the fall of the Dales and all the other lands they have lost? If they are truly so powerful, why couldn't they hold on to their lands?

 

3. Solas, oh Solas... the biggest Lore change for me is the creation of the veil. I thought those two realms - the fade and Thedas have always, always been seperated. If it wasn't for the veil, wouldn't demons run rampand in the world, before the veil was created?

 

4. How did the ancient elves live in a world where the Fade touched everything? Was this long before humans settled in Thedas? How long ago did all this take place?

 

5. Why does Solas think that if he removes the veil, it will restore his people? Did he banish the ancient elves as well?

 

6. When he talks about restoring his people, I thought it would mean all the Elves that are alive today. That he would restore their lands, give them back immortality maybe... I mean why would they not be part of his plans. They are HIS people still. It's not their fault that their ancestors lost everything.

 

7. I still can't get over that Solas created the veil LOL

 

8. Solas seems to act without thinking, as many of you pointed out and I 100% agree. My human inquisitor will do everything in her power to hunt him down and stop him, while my Elven Mage, who is in love with Solas, will try to redeem him (or their desdentants or some unknown person who joined the team in DA4 LOL)

 

1. Before you go on  about this note that all knowledge and history in thedas in based on assumption of people who do not full understand what they see. Like how people in the past of our would thought the world was flat and was the center of the universe, and the sun and stars circled the earth. BW has hint about the veil creation from dao with the amulet you find in the elven ruin. It had the soul of worrier of that time and it told you of a cataclysm that happened then.

 

2. It happen way before the fall of the dales. These are immortal beings.  we can't say how long ago it happened.

 

3.Solas already tells the the true nature of spirits.  Demons are only a reaction to the people of thedas thoughts. SO in that time, due to understand this was not an issue.

 

4.Nature changes over time. Asking that is like asking how the dinosaurs live on a hotter more oxygen rich earth.

 

5.Elves are being that develop with magic and the fade naturally. With the veil off they are cut off form that and don't develop they way they use to. With the veil down, they go bat to that.

 

6.Restoring the elves of old, their power, their cities and so and so.

 

7.He did it, get over it. The fact the mark and foci can open up the breach proves it.

[Dai Grepher]

He did it, get over it. The fact the mark and foci can open up the breach proves it.

 

That doesn't prove anything except that he knows how to breach the Veil. So do a lot of other mages, especially bloodmages.
 

[Aren]

I'm waiting for Bioware to reunite all of these lingering plots into an unique and reasonable explanation that will lead us to another star child of course.

[Heimdall]

He is not one of the Evanuris. He was no general, didn´t make himself king and god. People took him as a god, because he was helping them, offering freedom and wisdom and has powers as Evanuris had. 

 

There are hints suggesting he could be "just" a spirit (of wisdom) who took a physical form or a body of an elven man? Like this one from Cole in Winter Palace - "He did not want a body, but she asked him (Mythal, no doubts) to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face."

That's how the Evanuris started, according to Solas, they started as venerated leaders, whose veneration gradually morphed to worship.  They didn't just decide to proclaim themselves gods one day.  Those welcoming codex entries in Trespasser say "Fen'Harel has been falsely named a God, but is as mortal as any of you."  This is to welcome newly escaped or rescued elven slaves, coming from under the thumb of the Evanuris, not those he had already led to freedom.  The Evanuris also maintain him as a godlike but malevolent figure.  Why would they do that?  In order to maintain their own image, because he started as one of them.  Maybe he split before they were hailed as Gods, but he was definitely among their number.  He also speaks of being a soldier with Blackwall, which takes new meaning in context here.

 

There are hints, but its less sure of what.  I actually think the first elves were spirits that took physical form, and that Solas and the Evanuris were some of the first, if not the first.  What does Solas say about Mythal's death?  "The first of my people do not die so easily"?  Its certainly indicated that he holds himself to be kin with other ancient elves, and he doesn't seem separate from Mythal.  There's also the matter of the Forbidden Ones, who appear to have been elves, being stripped of physical form and becoming demons.  I also believe there's codex from the elven library talks about exploring the depths of the Fade, referring to spirits as "those who have never manifested physical form" and "our brethren of the air".  It would also explain a few things about the elves, like why getting cut off from the Fade hurt them so much and why offspring with other races have no elven features (The "more real" non-elf part overrides the malleable spirit heritage of the elf)

[leaguer of one]

That doesn't prove anything except that he knows how to breach the Veil. So do a lot of other mages, especially bloodmages.
 

Every mage that has done it use an indirect power source. Blood mages uses life energy, other mages lyrium and even then it only open a small opening.

 

Solas' foci generated the power on it own directly and made the breach. Sorry but proof is in the pudding.

[Dai Grepher]

Every mage that has done it use an indirect power source. Blood mages uses life energy, other mages lyrium and even then it only open a small opening.

 

Solas' foci generated the power on it own directly and made the breach. Sorry but proof is in the pudding.

 

The orb stores up energy over time. So what? Corypheus did the same thing at the end of the game.

 

I'm not saying Solas' own magic can't do what others do with blood or lyrium, I'm just saying his magic is only shown to move the Veil around, not create it.

[ilikesocks]

Where?

Isn't it that one codex entry on the right side right before you can go the other way to the place Anders freaks out and tries to murder you? There's a campfire and at the back of the alcove there's a skeleton but once you touch it, it spawns a bunch of enemies? It's been a while but I know the codex I'm thinking of anyway is between Anders-killing-you-spot and Varric-tearing-up-as-you-return-his-roundabout-ancestor-to-the-stone spot.

Also, to stay on topic.. That Solas. He's a silly man. *contains feels* (Lavellan will find him. She will find him and marry him. Plus babies.) that's relevant to patience, so, totally on topic. Yuh... Kbye

[Ellana's Song]

He wanted to recreate Elvhenan through war to weaken the veil.  He would've been powerful enough to banish the ones he didn't wish to stay.  His artifacts would've helped him determine where they would appear. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Solas: But I want to destroy the world NOW!!!