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[MisterJB]

 

Out of time immortal who slept through the ages only to awake in a world that he doesn't recognize and despises. Thus, he intends to destroy the world in an attempt to bring back the ones he remembers.

 

[sandalisthemaker]

That's what makes him a good character IMO.

 

At first I hated Solas, but after mulling the whole thing over, I can really appreciate his character now. 

[riverbanks]

Well, they're a little different.

 

Corypheus wanted to enslave every mortal and rule the world. Solas wants to kill every mortal and destroy the world. Different goalposts.

[Boost32]

The difference is that Solas is a good character and not some ridiculous villain like Corypheus was in DAI.

[MisterJB]

Well, they're a little different.

 

Corypheus wanted to enslave every mortal and rule the world. Solas wants to kill every mortal and destroy the world. Different goalposts.

 

Perhaps a better title would have been "Solas is no better than Corypheus."
 

[Arlee]

 

 

Out of time immortal who slept through the ages only to awake in a world that he doesn't recognize and despises. Thus, he intends to destroy the world in an attempt to bring back the ones he remembers.

 

 

Solas doesn't despise the current world. I don't even know how you got that impression. He thinks he has to fix the mistake he previously made and is unhappy that means the end of the current world.

[MisterJB]

Solas doesn't despise the current world. I don't even know how you got that impression. He thinks he has to fix the mistake he previously made and is unhappy that means the end of the current world.

 

Unless the Inquisitor changes his opinion, he doesn't think of modern elves, humans, etc as people.

 

He says so himself.

 

"We aren't even people to you!

 

Not at first."
 

[Arlee]

Unless the Inquisitor changes his opinion, he doesn't think of modern elves, humans, etc as people.

 

He says so himself.

 

"We aren't even people to you!

 

Not at first."
 

 

Ok, so you mean that an unfriended Solas is no better than Corypants? I can that more.

[sandalisthemaker]

Unless the Inquisitor changes his opinion, he doesn't think of modern elves, humans, etc as people.

 

He says so himself.

 

"We aren't even people to you!

 

Not at first."
 

 

Not at first means he's been shown that he was wrong.

 

Don't get me wrong, I want Solas's plans to be stopped and I think that he has a lot to be accountable for, but his complexity puts Cory to shame.

[Jaison1986]

 

 

Out of time immortal who slept through the ages only to awake in a world that he doesn't recognize and despises. Thus, he intends to destroy the world in an attempt to bring back the ones he remembers.

 

 

Wouldn't most of us feel the same if, say, we woke up in a future were the world is ruled by the qunari?

[Drasanil]

Unless the Inquisitor changes his opinion, he doesn't think of modern elves, humans, etc as people.

 

He says so himself.

 

"We aren't even people to you!

 

Not at first."

 

His position is pretty understandable if you translate it into human terms. Imagine if we woke from stasis a thousand years from now and found an earth ruled by hyper-evolved hamsters, with a 2-3 year life span, the mental acuity of a pre-teen and who were unable to fully utilize their senses of taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing. And worse, we found out that most of humanity [baring our fellow stasis people] was not only reduced to similar level existence but actually fell so low as to be actively oppressed by the "superior" hamsters. 

 

Would you necessarily consider any of them truly people as we understand it today? Wouldn't you try to restore humanity to what it was even if that meant the possible death of hundreds of thousands of hamster-people and even hamster-humans lamentable as all of it might be?

 

Compare that to Corypheus who is basically a megalomaniac having a hissy-fit because while Tevinter is still around and still pretty awesome, it's no longer the only game in town. 

[NoForgiveness]

Cory wanted to be a god. Solas doesn't. See? selecting specific qualities to  compare can make two people look the same or like complete opposites. Doesn't make either true. 

[MisterJB]

Ok, so you mean that an unfriended Solas is no better than Corypants? I can that more.

Does his feeling somewhat bad about it makes him better than Corypheus?
He still wants to destroy the world.

[Arlee]

Does his feeling somewhat bad about it makes him better than Corypheus?
He still wants to destroy the world.

It means that there is potential to stop him without killing him, which is very unlike Cory.

[Homeboundcrib]

Corypheus was killing anybody that was in his way, solas isn't doing that he doesn't want to harm anyone though he is going to. He simply wants to fix a wrong he made and do what he thinks is right for his people. I do believe he can be redeem and he wants you too. He wants to be proven wrong as for corypheus he just wanted power and to be a god.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Solas is substantially better looking.  And I had 100+ hours to get to know him.  It's a video game, and I will totally admit to my PC-centered morality

[Dani100]

Cory wanted to be a god. Solas doesn't. See? selecting specific qualities to  compare can make two people look the same or like complete opposites. Doesn't make either true.

But isn't destroying all life playing god. Destroying his people was an accident, destroying everyone in Thedas would be a deliberate act.

[Andromelek]

Corypheus is like Ozai or Voldemort, elitist bastards that want to impose their beliefs over the others, they show no regret at all, Solas strikes me more as a villain on Zachary Comstock's and Gravemind/Primordial's club, traumatized dudes that want a "better" world and that despite carrying a long list of faults and being aware of their actual and future wrongdoings will not stop to anything until they get what they want, in the meantime they have to tell themselves all they have done is for "salvation".

[Ashagar]

Corypheus is like Ozai or Voldemort, elitist bastards that want to impose their beliefs over the others, they show no regret at all, Solas strikes me more as a villain on Zachary Comstock and Gravemind/Primordial, traumatized dudes that want a "better" world and that despite carrying a long list of faults and being aware of their actual and future wrongdoings will not stop to anything until they get what they want, in the meantime they have to tell themselves all they have done is for "salvation".

 

Corypheus wasn't in the same vine as Voldemort or Ozai because he truely laments on how modern Tevinter looks down and wastes the talents of people like Coprehnia(former slave he freed) simply because of their orgins something he states wouldn't have happened in his day and woudln't happen in his restored Tevinter. That very idea would have given Voldymort a fit given his obession wtih blood purity. He also truely regreted what he felt he was going to have to do to Coprenhina when she drank from the well and became bound to Mythral.

[Andromelek]

Corypheus wasn't in the same vine as Voldemort or Ozai because he truely laments on how modern Tevinter looks down and wastes the talents of people like Coprehnia(former slave he freed) simply because of their orgins something he states wouldn't have happened in his day and woudln't happen in his restored Tevinter. That very idea would have given Voldymort a fit given his obession wtih blood purity. He also truely regreted what he felt he was going to have to do to Coprenhina when she drank from the well and became bound to Mythral.

Someone like Galbatorix or Queen Myrrah then?

[Qun00]

I can't relate to some Solas fans over here. I love this character as much as anyone else, but I have no illusions about what he's doing.

They might initially say they don't condone his plan, only to immediately provide 20 reasons why it is really okay.

Wouldn't most of us feel the same if, say, we woke up in a future were the world is ruled by the qunari?

Terrible, terrible comparison.

The rest of Thedas isn't quite as bad as the Qunari, and Arlathan wasn't exactly a beacon of virtue either.

[lordsaren101]

Solas is nothing more than another rattus fresh off the garbage heap.

[Jaison1986]

Terrible, terrible comparison.

The rest of Thedas isn't quite as bad as the Qunari, and Arlathan wasn't exactly a beacon of virtue either.

 

I don't think so. Tevinter doing slavery, Orlais razing south thedas to the ground in their expansion, blights, chantry opression against non humans and mages. Current Thedas is in pretty bad shape with constant issues popping up. 

[Psicat]

I see Solas as basically a somewhat better written amalgamation of Corypheus and Anders.  He has elements of both the arrogant, time displaced, immortal who wants to restore the old world by destroying the current world.  As well as elements of the mage with sympathetic but tortured personality who thinks he knows what's best for his people, even if means making stupid decisions and igniting a blood bath.

[AtreiyaN7]

My problem with what you're saying - and I didn't even romance Solas (Blackwall is forever my Inquisitor's sole LI) - is that the two characters have completely different motivations.

Solas wanted to free his people from enslavement by the Evanuris and was ultimately forced to take a rather extreme measure to banish the Evanuris, because they were essentially drunk on power and had turned into tyrants and betrayers who ultimately killed the only good one of them: Mythal, his friend. To stop them, he had to desroy the world as he knew it, and he carries the weight of that responsibility around. It clearly troubles him, and he does have an actual conscience.

He didn't create the Veil for self-glorification or because he was on a power trip, you know. As for what he's doing now, he does it with great regret, and I imagine he's viewing it as correcting his own mistake - one that actually did hurt his own people (look at what was lost when you read those codex entries from the elven archives). Heck, he even leaves the door open a tiny bit that his friend, the Inquisitor, might yet prove him wrong. See, he admits that he once thought of the current Thedan races as being roughly equivalent to the Tranquil when compared to the people from the pre-Veil world, and so he initially had no problem with tearing things down to bring his people and the world as it originally was back.

However, per the conversation with Solas at the end of Trespasser, he points out that the Inquisitor's open-mindedness proved to him that the people of Thedas were as real as his own and weren't just mindless automatons. You're trying to claim that he's bad/evil because he USED to think of everyone as not being real people. The fact that he could and did change his position shows that he's not actually some sort of completely insane megalomaniac. Because of the Inquistor, yes, Solas changed his mind and now has qualms about what he's doing. This is something that you absolutely cannot say about Corypheus.

What Corypheus does is the result of blind ambition, ego, and the desire to enslave and control others. His actual actions show that this is entirely about turning himsekf into a god who controls everyone and everything according to his whims. He's not really doing it to restore his people to their former glory - his own glory is all that he's interested in. And does he ever see other beings as people? Nope, to Corypheus they're all bugs on a windshield, and he cares not one flying fig about any being other than himself (nor can he be reasoned with).

Furthermore, where Cory thought he was practically a god and actually wanted to be a god for real, Solas was at the opposite end of the spectrum. He never claimed to be one and didn't ever want to be looked at as a god. He discouraged that and actively tried to counter the lies of the Evanuris who claimed to be gods. I know nuance can be hard for some people, but you have to be completely fail at it to not be able to recognize the differences between the two characters and what each was/is trying to accomplish.

So while I would still try to stop Solas in DA4 (if we end up addressing this in the next game that is), there's some hope that the writers do something novel in the future and that you might one day be able to talk him down. Solas is someone who can potentially be reasoned with, whereas Corypheus was pretty irrational and was so egotistical that reasoning with him was a complete impossibility. There is some hope that things might turn out differently.

And finally, need I point out something obvious that shows a major difference between the two of them? Solas could have turned you to stone or just let you go kaboom at the end of Trespasser to ensure that his future plans go smoothly without any further interference, but he chooses to delay the Anchor's deadly effects, talks to you as a friend and answers some of your questions, and at the end of it, he leaves and lets you live. I somehow doubt that Corypheus would have behaved similarly in the same situation.

And that doesn't mean that I agree with what Solas is doing or think destroying Thedas is okay. However, I am sympathetic to the horrible situation that Solas put himself in by creating the Veil. He was trying to stop his own kind in the only way that he could after getting pushed over the edge by what they did to Mythal. At any rate, I do hope there's a chance to stop him/save him or work out a compromise.