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[Jandi]

So this is an idea I got after giving this whole Mythal thingy some thought. This may be a bit incoherent because I'm really tired so bare with me.

 

Ok, so Mythal wanted revenge against her fellow Elven gods and their followers. Fenny sets up the Veil, the other gods are locked away but the followers remain.

 

She uses the Well to prop up "gods" for the budding humans (Dumat and friends), the proto-Tevinters because surely Elven mages, even after the Veil, who can turn into Dragons like Morrigan can after the Well are seen as gods to primitive humans. These become the "Old Gods of Tevinter". She then uses said gods to direct the new Tevinter to crush whatever remains of the now weakened Elven civilizations.

 

After that, she commands the Dragon-gods to command the most powerful magisters to assault the Fade in an effort to deal with her fellow gods for good. Something goes horribly wrong, maybe what's left of the Elven gods is corrupt and dark, Blighted and they get become the first Darkspawn. Or maybe the Magisters were infused with Red Lyrium to achieve the feat and it connecting with the city (possibly Arlathan) caused the Blight to erupt. The Gods hide deep underground but the Magisters, now Bligted, command other Darkspawn to find them in an effort to get their revenge for the betrayl in return.

 

How do I figure the Old Gods are Mythals puppets? Simple. The Well of Sorrows imparts some of Mythals power onto you, like it did with Morrigan but it also binds you to her. She can call Kieran to her and control him and he has an Old God soul in him. He also hears the same whispers of insight and knowledge as the Inky does if you take a dip yourself. Which leads me to think that the Old Gods have indeed been dipping in the Well.

 

What do you guys think?

[Aulis Vaara]

The simpler answer would be the Archdemons are the result of the other gods' Wells of Sorrow. This would also explain why Corypheus knew about the price that needed to be paid, on top of explaining the similarities between the Old Gods and those of the elves.

[leaguer of one]

Fault one.

 

Mythal when she was with Bright axe of the Avvar made it a point to say way from the old gods.

[Kantr]

Fault one.

 

Mythal when she was with Bright axe of the Avvar made it a point to say way from the old gods.

Why would Mythal be Tyrdda?

[Ellawynn]

Meh, I don't buy it.

 

I think a simpler explanation would be to just say the Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones, who were apparently very aptly named because they seem to get left out of these theories far more often than the other pantheons.

[Jandi]

Then why can Mythal control the Old God soul in Kieran? And why does Kieran hear things similar to what the Well gives you if you use it?

[azarhal]

Why would Mythal be Tyrdda?

 

I think that leaguer of one believe that Tyrdda's lover (the laughing leaf-eared Lady of the Skies) was Mythal. Unfortunately, the Lady of the Skies mythos match better with Andruil (sacrifices, birds*, wisdom and hunting) and Razikal­ (both the cult of Razikal and the Lady of the Skies name their high priest Augur and both "gods" are responsible for Lake Calenhad creation).

 

*Ghilan'nain offered all her creatures of the air to Andruil when she was made a god.

[Ellawynn]

Then why can Mythal control the Old God soul in Kieran? And why does Kieran hear things similar to what the Well gives you if you use it?

I mean, he's a little kid with the mind and body of a human but the soul of a god. I imagine he's not wholly one or the other, but a combination, and the whispering he hears is just Urthemiel the God bleeding over into Kieran the Kid. 

 

And as for controlling him - do we even know that? Flemeth might've just called out, and Kieran came, because he's a curious kid and saw no immediate danger.

 

Here's another hole though - if Flemeth has all the Old Gods under a geas, why did she ever need the Warden in Origins? Couldn't she have just told stopped the Blight before it began and taken Urthemiel's soul herself? Couldn't she have done that for the other archdemons? Why take the long route, and risk the Warden disagreeing with the plan and ruining it all?

[Jandi]

I mean, he's a little kid with the mind and body of a human but the soul of a god. I imagine he's not wholly one or the other, but a combination, and the whispering he hears is just Urthemiel the God bleeding over into Kieran the Kid. 

 

And as for controlling him - do we even know that? Flemeth might've just called out, and Kieran came, because he's a curious kid and saw no immediate danger.

 

Here's another hole though - if Flemeth has all the Old Gods under a geas, why did she ever need the Warden in Origins? Couldn't she have just told stopped the Blight before it began and taken Urthemiel's soul herself? Couldn't she have done that for the other archdemons? Why take the long route, and risk the Warden disagreeing with the plan and ruining it all?

 

One explanation is that the Blight prevents that. Once they become Blighted she can no longer call to them. Maybe an OGB is the only method of extracting the soul without destroying it.

[Poledo]

Of course it's all Mythal, just not in that exact way. I guarantee you though - in the end, she was behind it all.

[Ellawynn]

One explanation is that the Blight prevents that. Once they become Blighted she can no longer call to them. Maybe an OGB is the only method of extracting the soul without destroying it.

But the Old Gods only become Darkspawn because their prison is breached and they become tainted. All the remaining Old Gods are still untainted, so Flemeth should have retained control over them.

[leaguer of one]

Why would Mythal be Tyrdda?

With not equal to is.

 

I said when she was with Tydda.

[leaguer of one]

I think that leaguer of one believe that Tyrdda's lover (the laughing leaf-eared Lady of the Skies) was Mythal. Unfortunately, the Lady of the Skies mythos match better with Andruil (sacrifices, birds*, wisdom and hunting) and Razikal­ (both the cult of Razikal and the Lady of the Skies name their high priest Augur and both "gods" are responsible for Lake Calenhad creation).

 

*Ghilan'nain offered all her creatures of the air to Andruil when she was made a god.

I'm possible because both are trapped in the fade. Only Mythal was out and about. And the laughing leaf-eared lady matches her to a fault.

[Poledo]

One explanation is that the Blight prevents that. Once they become Blighted she can no longer call to them. Maybe an OGB is the only method of extracting the soul without destroying it.

 

Mythal speaks the calling.

[leaguer of one]

Mythal speaks the calling.

Nothing says that. Do you know how many thing here a type of "music" that's not part of the blight?

[azarhal]

 

I'm possible because both are trapped in the fade. Only Mythal was out and about. And the laughing leaf-eared lady matches her to a fault.

 

I guess you haven't though that Mythal might not be the only one who split her souls in case of emergency that allow her to be in multiple places at the same time.

 

Nothing says that. Do you know how many thing here a type of "music" that's not part of the blight?

 

It's the voices from the Well of Sorrows that says it.

[BillyBanana]

 

The Gods hide deep underground but the Magisters, now Blighted, command other Darkspawn to find them an an effort to get their revenge for the betrayl in return.

The Magisters dont seem to have big control over the Darkspawn though, they cant command nearly as many as an archdemon can, otherwise Cory would just use all the Darkspawn to invade Thedas. The calling seems to do that all on it's own already anyway, and that comes from the OGs alone.

 

She can call Kieran to her and control him and he has an Old God Soul in him. He also hears the same whispers of insight and knowledge as the Inky does if you take a dip yourself.

Keep in mind that Kieran doesnt have to exist. Morrigans ritual and Kierans birth is still totally optional (although I hope BW will make it canon cause its a very big "if".) I dont think that an optional thing can have such an impactful meaning which is why I try to keep the entire Urthemiel soul thing out of my theories yet.

[Poledo]

Nothing says that. Do you know how many thing here a type of "music" that's not part of the blight?

 

As Aza above said, the voices in the Well of Sorrows tell you this.

[Jandi]

But the Old Gods only become Darkspawn because their prison is breached and they become tainted. All the remaining Old Gods are still untainted, so Flemeth should have retained control over them.

 

We know Mythal fought at least one Titan. Maybe the Titan imprisoned them, so they are stuck. They are deep underground afterall. Now, why would they be if not imprisoned by something? A Titan is a good bet.

 

The problem is that we have no real dates on what happened and when.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

 

 

I guess you haven't though that Mythal might not be the only one who split her souls in case of emergency that allow her to be in multiple places at the same time.

 

 

It's the voices from the Well of Sorrows that says it.

 

1. Solas would of covered that.

2.It mention the calling. That does not mean it hears the calling.

[leaguer of one]

As Aza above said, the voices in the Well of Sorrows tell you this.

The voices in the well only mentions it. That does not mean it here's the calling.

[azarhal]

1. Solas would of covered that.

2.It mention the calling. That does not mean it hears the calling.

 

1. I doubt he covered for anything. He didn't seem to know Mythal was still alive until after the mission in the Arbor Wilds and you are talking about a guy who's plans always end up as a catastrophic event that he didn't intend to.

 

2. The voices says "She speaks…she’s fallen…go to him…the calling, the calling."

[leaguer of one]

1. I doubt he covered for anything. He didn't seem to know Mythal was still alive until after the mission in the Arbor Wilds and you are talking about a guy who's plans always end up as a catastrophic event that he didn't intend to.

 

2. The voices says "She speaks…she’s fallen…go to him…the calling, the calling."

 

1. This is the dread wolf. Of course he would cover the case the the very beings he hate the most would not have a back door out of it. Mythal was another case all together. 

 

2. Some how that means the voices here the calling? Mentioning it does not mean hears it. it's a clue but not a literal hearing of it.

[Aulis Vaara]

There's zero evidence that Mythal (or anyone else for that matter) can split her soul. All we know is that she can fake her death and be summoned like myriad other beings in Thedas.

[leaguer of one]

There's zero evidence that Mythal (or anyone else for that matter) can split her soul. All we know is that she can fake her death and be summoned like myriad other beings in Thedas.

There is evidence. it's in da2. The issue is if the other elven gods did it...which I doubt Solas would let happen.