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[Helios969]

Considering how active this board is, that's doubtful.

Yep.

[SlottsMachine]

How is orientation unrealistic?

 

Uh... yeah, everyone having the same orientation is indeed unrealistic. But more than that it flies in the face of the demand for more inclusiveness. 

[SnakeCode]

Because it is unrealistic? Everyone cries on the forums because they want more representation of themselves, but lets scrap all that and make everyone the same. Seems legit.  

 

It's almost as though Bioware fans are impossible to please or something...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Uh... yeah, everyone having the same orientation is indeed unrealistic. But more than that it flies in the face of the demand for more inclusiveness. 

I don't know. Character's orientations being ambiguous thus can be seen as anything seems more inclusive than having solely straight, gay, and bi. 

[Panda]

Playersexuality is not the same thing as bi or pansexuality.
 
Yeah, that Isabela sure was flat.
 

How is orientation unrealistic?

 

You don't seem to read what I wrote though.

 

All bi can be very close to playersexuality, since usually LI's don't have their own sexual orientation and preferences then, they are just into protagonist.

 

EDIT: And I didn't include DA2 in the playersexuality, I think I already mentioned it.

[BENIIICHAT]

Honestly, I want to know if They have Same Sex romance in game or not. I think it'll be cool if Bioware just announce only number of option in game. like

 

Straight Male get X option

Straight Female get Y option

Gay Male/Female get A/B option

Bisexual get Z option

 

Just tell the number but not tell us who is who. and Gamer who want romance will have Info to choose to buy it or not and still excite when play the game and find out who is our romance option by ourself  (And that mean we will play more and more hour to find the one.) For me, DAI lost a bit of interest  when I know I can only romance Dorian and Iron Bull but not Solas and Cullen.

[Panda]

It's almost as though Bioware fans are impossible to please or something...

 

Or.. forum has lot of different people with different wishes?

[Vapaa]

Or.. forum has lot of different people with different wishes?

Could it be...that the fanbase is not actually a hive mind ?

[Pasquale1234]

I don't know. Character's orientations being ambiguous thus can be seen as anything seems more inclusive than having solely straight, gay, and bi.

One of the problems I think some people have with that is that they feel it can lead to erasure.

If representation is a big deal, it can happen via non-romanceable NPCs.

With all of the other factors that are entirely unrealistic wrt party composition, the idea that having multiple bi/pansexual LIs is 'unrealistic' is ludicrous - as is the notion that it somehow makes them lesser.

[Panda]

Could it be...that the fanbase is not actually a hive mind ?

 

Maybe it even could mean that... humans are individuals?

[Erstus]

One of the problems I think some people have with that is that they feel it can lead to erasure.If representation is a big deal, it can happen via non-romanceable NPCs.With all of the other factors that are entirely unrealistic wrt party composition, the idea that having multiple bi/pansexual LIs is 'unrealistic' is ludicrous - as is the notion that it somehow makes them lesser.

What? No one arguing that there should not be multiple BI characters. I was arguing that not EVERY companion should be BI.

[Pasquale1234]

What? No one arguing that there should not be multiple BI characters. I was arguing that not EVERY companion should be BI.

What you said is this:
 

I disagree. Every companion being BI just takes away from their individual personality and uniqueness.

Plus, I love reading those whiny threads

And this:
 

You attack straw men often or do you have difficulty with reading comprehension?

I'm stating It would be a detriment to the various characters individuality to make them all BI, just as it would to make them all straight or gay.

And have yet to address any of the questions I posed.

EVERY companion is not an LI. Furthermore, gender gating can be avoided by making LIs bisexual, pansexual, or entirely ambiguous.

[SofaJockey]

How about BioWare just confirm that everyone will have choices, and leave it at that.

MEA seems to have been coming forever and it's still a year off.

 

I think Bethesda did it about right:
Announce it the E3 before launch, then pretty much shut up about any spoilers...

[Ria Kon]

I think BW is using the reveal of romances and their sexual oriantation for more reasons.

• nowadays, it's really demanding from marketing with that new feminism/LGBT era (no offence, that's just how things are)
• many fans demand it
• it is one of few things that they can say about characters, before release, to atract people and not spoil the story (and we all want alway some more information before the Big Day)

I personally don't care if they do or not, 'cause I'm a person who replays games a lot. So my first run is always just experimental, helps to plan other playthrougs.

[Fawna]

BioWare shouldn't reveal characters at all before release. /unpopular opinion
 
Seriously, though, they'd be better off spending their marketing dollars trying to hook people who might not be buying their game no matter what.
 
As for the hardcore fans, remember that first BW game you picked up on a whim, and how floored you were by the characters? Knowing so much about them before release is going to make recapturing that magic all the more difficult.
 
Edit: Ninja'd by a like-minded Bro.

I remember that first time someone gave me bg2 that is still my fondest memory first couple play threes had no idea there were romances. Fell in love with the friends I came to learn about then yes Anomen kinda won me over but Minsc an boo,awesome the first time Edward turned into a girl wow I was 20 I fell so in love with it. I was use to playing Super Mario or Zelda love them too or like Qbert. I hadn't a clue to who made what just thought this is great people come up with this. Then found modders that do all these other things okay back in 2000 dialup wasn't fun. Anyways from my belief I haven't found any to my taste that does it like Bioware the friendship the journey the awesome ride along the way. But me I don't really want to know I want that experience and it gives it so much replay. My teenagers now they want this game cause they can put this cheat an that cheat in get monster truck. Don't get me wrong the day I came across dungeon be gone after 20 play thoughs so happy. It's a different generation now so to each there own. I'm happy making a couple of play throughs without knowing like did kill Zevern didn't have any idea plus totally upset still about Duncan. Yes been under a rock just got ME back in August loved the journey since didn't know anything about an it been out made first run through with nothing extra for DLCs my heart broke. Got EC all DLCs for 3 only some for 2. Garrius became my BFF an Talli and them to hooking up was great for me. One of the most heartfelt games I have every played. So the romances are awesome but the friends you make are just as great to. Like my BFF Varric an Dorrian in DAI with his mustache I love it. But I get Anders after playing ME someone was assuming control lol. This is only my opinion though so I guess I'd leave it in there hands writers, developers and all the ones that have a part in make the story's they want an put there love and long hours into it. Could you imagine not having games like these?
http://youtu.be/O46WcOR9rVs

[DoomsdayDevice]

I've never gone into any of the ME games knowing who had which sexual orientation. Hell, I didn't even know who were going to be my squadmates. I just found all that out in game. I generally don't like knowing too much when going into a new game. I tend to avoid getting too much info.

[CuriousArtemis]

I disagree. Every companion being BI just takes away from their individual personality and uniqueness.

 

I think you are confusing "sexuality" with "personality"; the two are entirely unrelated

 

I wouldn't have a problem with not knowing till I start playing the game.  I hadn't planned on romancing Solas in DAI, had set up someone I thought would romance Cullen but then Solas started talking and I was hooked.  Cullen had to wait. 

 

Well I hear ya but if I had gone into the game thinking I had a chance with Solas or Cullen, then learned I didn't, it would have sucked. Best to go in knowing your options totally suck.

 

I'd prefer they keep character info very minimal to maximize the RPG experience.  I definitely do not want to know who can be romanced...and by whom.  I think revealing too much information is detrimental, as every potential companion gets overhyped and expectations quickly get unrealistic.  Which more often than not ends in disappointment.  DAI...I'm looking at you.

 

Okay and then there's this, which I can also relate to! DAI romances were way hyped. But then again I'm glad I was warned about the BDSM thing.

 

Games that don't have LI's with multiple sexualities have usually playersexuality and it makes LI's feel somewhat flatter, Saint Row, Skyrim and Sims to mention few. I think it's better to have lot of different sexualities than just everyone being into main character no matter the gender. I didn't personally mind DA2's approach, but I get that why people don't like it.

 

But now really, dear Panda, do you think it's the lack of defined sexuality that makes Skyrim and Sims characters flat and shallow? I mean if I tried to flirt with Vilkas and he said, in that same generic voice that half of Skyrim males use, "I'm sorry, I'm straight," do you really think he would have suddenly morphed into a vibrant and interesting character? Nah, I don't think so.

 

It's not sexuality that makes a character interesting; it's good writing. You yourself say DA2 had great characters, even though they were all bi / playersexual (devs have said one thing then returned years later and contradicted themselves; regardless, they're all available to either Hawke). Fenris being available to both male and female Hawkes has zero affect on how flat or deep a character he is. It's his history, his dialogue, his animations, his concept and design, his voice acting, and so on.

 

EVERY companion is not an LI. Furthermore, gender gating can be avoided by making LIs bisexual, pansexual, or entirely ambiguous.

 

I've always been in favor of having maybe 4 romance options, making them all bi or just "available" to either gender, and then having straight and gay and canonically bi and pan non-romanceable characters.

[Panda]

But now really, dear Panda, do you think it's the lack of defined sexuality that makes Skyrim and Sims characters flat and shallow? I mean if I tried to flirt with Vilkas and he said, in that same generic voice that half of Skyrim males use, "I'm sorry, I'm straight," do you really think he would have suddenly morphed into a vibrant and interesting character? Nah, I don't think so.

 

It's not sexuality that makes a character interesting; it's good writing. You yourself say DA2 had great characters, even though they were all bi / playersexual (devs have said one thing then returned years later and contradicted themselves; regardless, they're all available to either Hawke). Fenris being available to both male and female Hawkes has zero affect on how flat or deep a character he is. It's his history, his dialogue, his animations, his concept and design, his voice acting, and so on.

 

I guess that's how I just find it with games where every LI is into you no matter what. Sexualities just seem to add to characters and romances, making everyone different, I guess it's something somewhat essential part of persons like gender to me. I'm not completely against all bisexuals or even playersexuality though, but I just prefer set sexualities over it.

[Andrew Lucas]

I don't care, my roleplaying happens naturally. Doesn't matter if there's one straight, two gays and seven bisexuals, as long as they're good, I'm fine. Quantity over quality. *turns off sarcasm*

[SofaJockey]

If I recall from one of the conference panels,

character orientation was shared in the past so that players who would value the content would know it was there.

 

I don't think that awareness is now in any doubt.

 

I would favour a much more spoiler-light approach to the whole launch this time.

(though I suspect it won't happen)

[Shechinah]

I would favour a much more spoiler-light approach to the whole launch this time.

(though I suspect it won't happen)

 

So would I especially since Dragon Age: Inquisition were prone to this in trailers which was how I spoiled on a certain character's reappearance. 

 

With Mass Effect: Andromeda, I'm comtemplating a complete blackout so I see no information, no trailers with the exception of content I know will likely have no spoilers like a Character Creation stream if they decide to do one. I know I'll most likely be pre-ordering the game so I may as well enjoy a completely spoiler-free experience when I play the game for the first time. 
 

[DarthSliver]

I don't think they should be revealed since the few post I seen that want it only want it so they can preplan a character to certain Companion Characters Sexual desires. I think the romance thing would be alot more fun if we had to figure it out unless we buy the guide book for the game. 

 

I am going off my first playthrough in ME1 and it was a fun playthrough, I saw the characters and choose the one I liked during the game session of playing it. I even off a character so my femshep would get Liara and not trigger on Kaidan lol

[DarthSliver]

If I recall from one of the conference panels,

character orientation was shared in the past so that players who would value the content would know it was there.

 

I don't think that awareness is now in any doubt.

 

I would favour a much more spoiler-light approach to the whole launch this time.

(though I suspect it won't happen)

 

They should just reveal who can be romance but not reveal what your characters sex needs to be so those characters can be romanced.  I think knowing how to romance certain characters before I first playthrough takes the fun out of doing the Romance thing in the game. Knowing what certain characters need so we can romance takes a certain fun factor out of the game because you then build a character around the that one person in the game you want your character to bang. 

[AlanC9]

I don't think they should be revealed since the few post I seen that want it only want it so they can preplan a character to certain Companion Characters Sexual desires. I think the romance thing would be alot more fun if we had to figure it out unless we buy the guide book for the game. 
 

I prefer to play your way too. But I'm coming around to the idea that people who think preplanning is fun should be allowed to do that, and people like us should just avoid the character-specific marketing materials

[Amirit]

I've never gone into any of the ME games knowing who had which sexual orientation. Hell, I didn't even know who were going to be my squadmates. I just found all that out in game. I generally don't like knowing too much when going into a new game. I tend to avoid getting too much info.

 

And what is the problem? Reveals begin - you leave the forums (at least those with spoilers) and you still know nothing. However for people who DO want to know there is no other option as for developers to openly tell them. I'd say - reveal as much as possible and let spoilers aware people simply ignore uninteresting information.