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[Battlebloodmage]

Bioware states via Word of God that Asari are a monogendered and an all-female(as in the sex of every member is female) race. I'm going with what Bioware says since they made the Asari. The sex and gender of the Asari are female.

good for you. People use the word gender and sex interchangeably just as with race, so who know what they mean. They also don't use any word of sex. They are monogendered which is female.

[It's Vexion]

that's why I don't think saying asari is female or male sex is correct. They are gender female. I would just say they are monosex or don't have any sex beyond that.

I disagree, but it ultimately doesn't matter. We both have valid points, though I still contend that your understanding of "gender" is not accurate, but it still stems from our species' limited experience with anything but sexual or asexual reproduction.

[Battlebloodmage]

I disagree, but it ultimately doesn't matter. We both have valid points, though I still contend that your understanding of "gender" is not accurate, but it still stems from our species' limited experience with anything but sexual or asexual reproduction.

Science is not about the absolute truth, many theories are still being debated today. I also don't think your understanding is correct but that just also stems from what I learn and believe, but beyond that, I would just say agree to disagree. At the end of the day, it's just a fantasy race that specifically made to play into the sexual space fantasy anyway. 

[Pasquale1234]

That is the difficulty of defining the species. "Melding" serves as sexual reproduction, but without any explicit organ to do so. It's like if the brain was able to rearrange the chromosomes in the womb purely out of psychic stimulation.

Melding involves connecting the nervous systems of both individuals into a unified whole.

Asari supply both sets of genetic information to the offspring, but use the partner's dna to randomize the second set. They can actually use an alternate source of radiation for the same purpose.
 

Bioware states via Word of God that Asari are a monogendered and an all-female(as in the sex of every member is female) race. I'm going with what Bioware says since they made the Asari. The sex and gender of the Asari are female.

I'm not sure the asari themselves have any concept of gender, but in human terms, I'd say they're somewhat fluid. Quite a few of them seemed fairly androgynous, also some feminine, some masculine, etc.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm not sure the asari themselves have any concept of gender, but in human terms, I'd say they're somewhat fluid. Quite a few of them seemed fairly androgynous, also some feminine, some masculine, etc.

They use female terms to identify themselves and refer to others of their species, like Mother, Huntress, Maiden, Matron, Matriarch, etc. Aria even laughs at naming the krogan who used to rule Omega Patriarch because "it is a word that doesn't exist for her people".

[Battlebloodmage]

They use female terms to identify themselves and refer to others of their species, like Mother, Huntress, Maiden, Matron, Matriarch, etc. Aria even laughs at naming the krogan who used to rule Omega Patriarch because "it is a word that doesn't exist for her people".

Hmm... They don't use it, human use it, alien languages are being translated into human language using a universal translator. 

[Pasquale1234]

They use female terms to identify themselves and refer to others of their species, like Mother, Huntress, Maiden, Matron, Matriarch, etc. Aria even laughs at naming the krogan who used to rule Omega Patriarch because "it is a word that doesn't exist for her people".

I see that as a recognition that they are female, not necessarily feminine gender.

Note that Aethyta refers to herself as Liara's father.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I see that as a recognition that they are female, not necessarily feminine gender.

Note that Aethyta refers to herself as Liara's father.

Either way, helps prove my point that their sex is female. Either because they identify as female, or they recognize that they are biologically female. 

 

Forgot about Aethyta. 

[AlanC9]

Or the translation mode for human languages defaults to female terms because humans see them as female anyway.

[Battlebloodmage]

Either way, helps prove my point that their sex is female. Either because they identify as female, or they recognize that they are biologically female.

Forgot about Aethyta.

or show that the language is used for human understanding out or being translated as such. There are many words exist in other countries that hard to translate to English, left alone an alien language of a different species.

[Lumix19]

Asari might be borderline hermaphroditic since they can both "give" and "receive" genetic information, at least with other Asari.

[Ahglock]

I'm not sure they or any species gives. The Asari seem to take, they initiate and do the psychic mind meld thing.

[ModernAcademic]

The only problem with hiding the characters' sexualities is that players invest many hours advancing in the storyline only to get around 2 or 3 key scenes that allow them to trigger the romance. If you only find out the character you've grown fond of is sexually incompatible near the very end of the game, it means you'll have wasted any opportunity of developing a romance with someone else.

 

That's the only problem. If Bioware has a way around it, then sure, it's actually better to keep everyone's sexuality a mystery, Makes it more fun when going hunting.

[AlanC9]

I concur, particularly in a nonlinear game, which it looks like ME:A is going to be.

I thought DA:I had some transparency issues in this regard. For instance, the Cassandra romance has a plot gate which can come up very late in the playthrough depending on how much you're doing and the order you're doing it in.

[ThomasBlaine]

I wouldn't mind discovering a companion's sexual orientation for myself without any foreknowledge, although I'd prefer it if the player character and the NPC in question could flirt or exchange signals well before it would be expected to get serious.

 

It'd also be more believable if not every character capable of falling in love with someone of your gender and species would categorically do so simply because you're the player character. And conversely, you shouldn't have to grovel for brownie points at every opportunity for someone to find you attractive.

 

Heh, I guess you're right, romance in games is very easy to criticize. It is a very complicated, delicate and personal thing in real life though, while at the same time being a universal concern, and people have wildly different feelings about it.

[dragonflight288]

The only problem with hiding the characters' sexualities is that players invest many hours advancing in the storyline only to get around 2 or 3 key scenes that allow them to trigger the romance. If you only find out the character you've grown fond of is sexually incompatible near the very end of the game, it means you'll have wasted any opportunity of developing a romance with someone else.

 

That's the only problem. If Bioware has a way around it, then sure, it's actually better to keep everyone's sexuality a mystery, Makes it more fun when going hunting.

 

Not necessarily. 

 

Look at ME1. We know right on Eden Prime that Kaiden or Ashley would be romanceable with the beacon, and then on the Normandy if you observe their body language. Then there's the conversation on the Citadel where you're overlooking the wards and Kaiden and Ashley are commenting on how big it is and how much the Council actually has on its plate, and there's some flirtatious dialogue. 

 

Or there's Inquisition where a guy can flirt with Cullen, and Cullen in the 2nd or 3rd conversation will outright tell you that he's not into men, politely of course. 

 

Using body language and dialogue, we can be able to tell who is or is not romanceable and who is not. 

 

There is no need to wait until the end of the game to find out it's not happening.

 

I actually can't think of a single bioware game where you find out at the end of the game. 

[Evamitchelle]

Not necessarily. 

 

Look at ME1. We know right on Eden Prime that Kaiden or Ashley would be romanceable with the beacon, and then on the Normandy if you observe their body language. Then there's the conversation on the Citadel where you're overlooking the wards and Kaiden and Ashley are commenting on how big it is and how much the Council actually has on its plate, and there's some flirtatious dialogue. 

 

Or there's Inquisition where a guy can flirt with Cullen, and Cullen in the 2nd or 3rd conversation will outright tell you that he's not into men, politely of course. 

 

Using body language and dialogue, we can be able to tell who is or is not romanceable and who is not. 

 

There is no need to wait until the end of the game to find out it's not happening.

 

I actually can't think of a single bioware game where you find out at the end of the game. 

 

That's not exactly a fool proof method. Vega flirts pretty much constantly with FemShep, and he's not romanceable. A female Inquisitor can flirt with Dorian and Cassandra, but you only find out they're not interested with women after getting to Skyhold, which could well be dozens of hours after you start flirting with them. 

[goishen]

That's not exactly a fool proof method. Vega flirts pretty much constantly with FemShep, and he's not romanceable. A female Inquisitor can flirt with Dorian and Cassandra, but you only find out they're not interested with women after getting to Skyhold, which could well be dozens of hours after you start flirting with them. 

 

 

Right, but look at the length of the game.  If the game were under 40 hours, I might say that, yah, you would be correct.  However, it's not.  I mean, I got done with my last playthrough at I believe 150+ hours on that one game alone.  Now, that is all DLC's included, but still.

[Evamitchelle]

Right, but look at the length of the game.  If the game were under 40 hours, I might say that, yah, you would be correct.  However, it's not.  I mean, I got done with my last playthrough at I believe 150+ hours on that one game alone.  Now, that is all DLC's included, but still.

 

Dozens of hours might not be much compared to the length of the full game, but it's still a lot of time in itself. It also takes away from time spent on another romance (unless you're trying to romance multiple people at once). You certainly can't tell just from body language and dialogue which character is going to be romanceable from the beginning of the game. 

[goishen]

Dozens of hours might not be much compared to the length of the full game, but it's still a lot of time in itself. It also takes away from time spent on another romance (unless you're trying to romance multiple people at once). You certainly can't tell just from body language and dialogue which character is going to be romanceable from the beginning of the game. 

 

Right, but I'm just stating that it gave you plenty of time to pursue other romances. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Right, but I'm just stating that it gave you plenty of time to pursue other romances. 

But it gave you no reason to because it gave you no real signs that the one you were going after was not available until it was usually too late to pursue another. 

[ravenesse]

But it gave you no reason to because it gave you no real signs that the one you were going after was not available until it was usually too late to pursue another.

They clearly need a sexual orientation flag right from the start. Best tattooed on the forehead, so no one misses it.

(Sometimes people flirt without real sexual interest. Just because of the fun flirting can be. Like Dorian. And Cassandra doesn't even flirt back at all. Okay, unless disgusted noises don't count as flirting.
Either way, I think the 'revelation' in both cases is well implemented. Had situations like that too and they also took a while to untangle )

[In Exile]

Melding involves connecting the nervous systems of both individuals into a unified whole.

Asari supply both sets of genetic information to the offspring, but use the partner's dna to randomize the second set. They can actually use an alternate source of radiation for the same purpose.


I'm not sure the asari themselves have any concept of gender, but in human terms, I'd say they're somewhat fluid. Quite a few of them seemed fairly androgynous, also some feminine, some masculine, etc.

I'm not really persuaded by the androgynous argument. Even the most butch asari we see keep to IRL gender tropes. In fact, I don't think we even see a bunch asari with a female lover?

[Ahglock]

They clearly need a sexual orientation flag right from the start. Best tattooed on the forehead, so no one misses it.

(Sometimes people flirt without real sexual interest. Just because of the fun flirting can be. Like Dorian. And Cassandra doesn't even flirt back at all. Okay, unless disgusted noises don't count as flirting.
Either way, I think the 'revelation' in both cases is well implemented. Had situations like that too and they also took a while to untangle )

While you are attempting to make lite of it if not going the player sexual route a flag of some kind would make sense. While mistakes do happen in real life I don't think you realize how good people are at picking these things up. And how quickly you'd get shut down if there is a gender conflict in most cases. The problem is the graphics, writing, distorted time frames where you spend 60 hours with someone but have 4 lines of conversation are no where near real life so it leads to a much much higher chance to misread things.

[SofaJockey]

My preference would be to leave that for people to find when they play.

 

The argument for discussing these things with DAI was to share that such content exists.

I think people now know that BioWare have a decent inclusive track record.

 

So this can safely be left out of pre-publicity for reason of spoilers

(and so off the list the things to argue about).