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Should BioWare not reveal characters sexual orientation before release?


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But it gave you no reason to because it gave you no real signs that the one you were going after was not available until it was usually too late to pursue another.


I'm a bit weak on the actual mechanics in DAI. If you're not hitting the early flirt options with someone, are you SOL if you want to pick up that romance later?

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While you are attempting to make lite of it if not going the player sexual route a flag of some kind would make sense. While mistakes do happen in real life I don't think you realize how good people are at picking these things up. And how quickly you'd get shut down if there is a gender conflict in most cases. The problem is the graphics, writing, distorted time frames where you spend 60 hours with someone but have 4 lines of conversation are no where near real life so it leads to a much much higher chance to misread things.


I thought Sera did a good job with it. " You're not my thing. Your thing is not my thing."
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I'm a bit weak on the actual mechanics in DAI. If you're not hitting the early flirt options with someone, are you SOL if you want to pick up that romance later?

For some romances, yes.



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They clearly need a sexual orientation flag right from the start. Best tattooed on the forehead, so no one misses it.

 

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While you are attempting to make lite of it if not going the player sexual route a flag of some kind would make sense. While mistakes do happen in real life I don't think you realize how good people are at picking these things up. And how quickly you'd get shut down if there is a gender conflict in most cases. The problem is the graphics, writing, distorted time frames where you spend 60 hours with someone but have 4 lines of conversation are no where near real life so it leads to a much much higher chance to misread things.


I also don't know if I realise it. But let me tell you, in my first playthrough I totally fell for Dorian, while playing a female char. So I had the exact same problem, 'I' was turned down. Still did not feel like I wasted my time to me. Maybe my expectations differ a bit from what I call time wasting.

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I'm a bit weak on the actual mechanics in DAI. If you're not hitting the early flirt options with someone, are you SOL if you want to pick up that romance later?

 

It depends bit on game. Mass Effect in my experience is quite unforgiving, either you hit each flirt option you get or you don't have romance or romance never has another scene-> it fails. I don't think you can return to flirting options in ME if you didn't chose them when they were there. DA side is lot more forgiving with romances I feel though there is time limits (if you go too far in the story without romance you won't be able to get one) and possibly others related to approval.


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They clearly need a sexual orientation flag right from the start. Best tattooed on the forehead, so no one misses it.

Asexual.

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Asexual.
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That's just perfect :D

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LGBT players act just as childish to straight characters as straight players react to LGBT characters.

 

Give a break on the hypocrisy you snakes. You aren't perfect, so get over it.



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maybe bioware should revamp their Hawkesexual character forumala and make the romances for each romance option feel and be different for playing male or female. I think Hawkesexual wasn't completely bad since you could choose a character base on their personality and not worry about what way they swing. This thread itself depicts how Bioware should retry their Hawkesexual romances again but enchance them and not give us another Anders :D



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LGBT players act just as childish to straight characters as straight players react to LGBT characters.

Give a break on the hypocrisy you snakes. You aren't perfect, so get over it.


Examples?

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Ideally, I would like to be surprised but, as others have pointed out, when you are going into the game with the real possibility that you may have zero choices, I need to know before I buy the game. I won't but any game that includes romance mechanics but only hetero options; even a Bioware game. I only recently got into SWTOR after years and years because they finally pulled their collective finger out their asses and included an m/m option. Now we have 2 (Theron and Koth) and they're both companions now... not just NPCs like Theron was before.

 

To be honest after playing a gay man in games that allow it, I'm loathe to play any game where I'm just some straight dude for the millionth time. Even games like Uncharted which I used to enjoy just grate on my nerves with all the lovey-dovey crap (and subsequent marriage) between Nathan and Elena.

 

I doubt we're gonna see many AAA titles with a gay protagonist (if the story is set) so I wish there was some choice you could make at the beginning: Choose male or female and then either "Hero gets the girl" or "Hero gets the guy". I don't know if that would require 4 protags or just 2. People might freak out about story integrity if the same guy or girl could be so flexible. I just think it would be a really cool idea and I would pick it up in a heart beat.

 

I like romance content but it's not the romance itself that makes me buy the game it's being able to play as a character that I would aspire to be. I don't wanna be straight so walking in Nathan Drakes shoes isn't as much fun for me as being Shepard or Hawke. I guess it's the same for women who don't like to (or outright refuse to) play games where they cannot play as a female.

 

Sorry back on topic... I would like to be surprised and if it was a certainty that I would have options I would avoid all that but as it stands I can't. 



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Bioware has not announced major information about MEA yet, I personally would like to know anything about my sqaud.



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My answer to the OP question stands:

 

Like mrjack, I just want to be assured that I'm going to have two options in the game (provided that everyone else gets two options; I'd be totally fine with one option if everyone else also only gets one option).  If they do this by simply stating "there will be at least two options for straight men, straight women, gay men, and lesbians", then I'm fine and don't need to know who is romanceable or what their sexuality is until release.  If they don't make that kind of statement, I'd like them to discuss sexuality of characters, provided it's relevant.  For example, if, in an interview, they talk about a character being romanceable, then tell us who can romance them. 

 

I'm still a little gunshy around the ME series.  Gay guys really kind of got shafted (and not in the good way.....) in the first series.  Gay male Shep had zero options for the first two games, which means that he really only got 1/3 of the potential romance content that all other Sheps got.  Plus, his two options in ME3 were a guy who could very well be dead and an NPC who played a slightly smaller role than most of the other options in the series.  Combined with the "Shep can't be gay unless you mean girl on girl....." fiasco, I don't have the highest confidence in the franchise that they won't do me dirty (and not in the good way.....)



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Gay guys really kind of got shafted (and not in the good way.....)

 

You did that one on purpose. 


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I thought Sera did a good job with it. " You're not my thing. Your thing is not my thing."

 

She did, once flirting commenced, her preferences were made very clear.

(Particularly for Qunari... woof ! )



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I'm still a little gunshy around the ME series.  Gay guys really kind of got shafted (and not in the good way.....) in the first series.  Gay male Shep had zero options for the first two games, which means that he really only got 1/3 of the potential romance content that all other Sheps got.  

 

Even though I got far more options in the Dragon Age series (1,2,2 compared to 0,0,2), I prefer how ME does gay/bi guys to DA. I like the "guy-next-door" type so Kaidan and Steve were much more satisfying romances for me. I just hope they don't swing the pendulum in the complete opposite direction to make a point of the new guy(s) being notKaidan and giving us Dorian in space. Sorry Dorian, you're like my GBF and we can go clubbing or whatever but I'm just not that into you.

 

I know that sounds ungrateful and I love Dorian as a character, just not as a digital boyfriend. That is how I feel about most of the guys in DA though, even the straight ones. I just can't seem to get excited about any of them. I kind of like Alistair and Cullen but I wouldn't like to be treated like a pretty princess (even on female characters, which I tried). In ME on the other hand I would have liked to romance all the guys; even Jacob but especially Vega and Thane. I thought IB would be my chance to romance Vega but no, that guy is super creepy with his BDSM talk "I know what you need, Kadan" in his weird Sean Connery voice.



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I would rather not know.  I think people focus too much on it.  Isn't it more "role-playing" to play as the character that you want to be (race, good/evil choice in decisions, and EVERYTHING that makes up a person) rather than choosing a character based on the orientation of the companion you want to romance (merely one aspect of a person)?

 

The other thing this avoids is the inevitable "why do the {fill in gender & orientation here} have more romance choices than I do as a {fill in your own gender & orientation here}?" as well as the "I don't want the characters I want to romance to be playersexual, I want them to just be {fill in gender and orientation you desire here}" that happens too.  Just make sure there is no imbalance in the options (yes, I am speaking about ME3), that's a bigger thing for me, because I want to choose the overall character I want to play and not be limited by that.  



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All I want is someone I can embrace eternity with... is that too much to ask for? 


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All I want is someone I can embrace eternity with... is that too much to ask for? 

 

 

Liara's goodbye scene was just epic.


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I'd rather they didn't reveal the LI's at all beforehand and just let people find out when they play.


I didn't know anything about squad mate sexuality in ME1, DA:O or DA2. It was fun finding out on my own.

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Liara's goodbye scene was just epic.

 

Agreed, that and Garrus's goodbye scene were my favorites. 


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I'm on the side of player-sexual options, if for no other reason than it stops any and all anger from players toward each other. The Cassandra mod fiasco (and to a lesser degree the Dorian and Sera ones) is evidence enough that this fanbase isn't mature enough to let other people do as they like with their games and share features with one another. You give them something and they protect it as if these are real, living people and not fantasies that fell out of someone's head. They feel genuinely insulted that another player they never met, in some land nowhere near them, in a game that never touches theirs EVER might flip a bit and play through a romance not "meant" for them and it's scary the lengths these folks will go to in order shut modders down. 

 

Plus this way you just experience the world with the companion that you liked best. Bethesda has the right of it in this regard and their forums are filled with people discussing aspects of the game other than "Why weren't there more options for orientation xyz" and "What is this I'm hearing about people giving a modder crap for making a Cassandra female romance mod?"

 

When content you produce has the ability to put real people in danger (and don't underestimate the power of tracking people down over the internet if you feel THAT strongly about something, we all know what happened to that cat abuser who posted a video on 4chan), it's time to revisit the content model because something is very wrong.



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I'm on the side of player-sexual options, if for no other reason than it stops any and all anger from players toward each other. The Cassandra mod fiasco (and to a lesser degree the Dorian and Sera ones) is evidence enough that this fanbase isn't mature enough to let other people do as they like with their games and share features with one another. You give them something and they protect it as if these are real, living people and not fantasies that fell out of someone's head. They feel genuinely insulted that another player they never met, in some land nowhere near them, in a game that never touches theirs EVER might flip a bit and play through a romance not "meant" for them and it's scary the lengths these folks will go to in order shut modders down. 

 

Plus this way you just experience the world with the companion that you liked best. Bethesda has the right of it in this regard and their forums are filled with people discussing aspects of the game other than "Why weren't there more options for orientation xyz" and "What is this I'm hearing about people giving a modder crap for making a Cassandra female romance mod?"

 

When content you produce has the ability to put real people in danger (and don't underestimate the power of tracking people down over the internet if you feel THAT strongly about something, we all know what happened to that cat abuser who posted a video on 4chan), it's time to revisit the content model because something is very wrong.

 

I wouldn't mind playersexual either (to avoid headaches and heartbreak) but you cannot seriously hold the developers responsible for the actions of the deranged lunatics that hound mod creators.

 

Your line of reasoning is: If Bioware doesn't make all characters available as romance options to all players, then someone may create a mod to change this and then that mod author may be in real physical danger from crazy people. So to avoid all this hypothetical on-line and real-life violence, Bioware should kowtow to your desire for playersexual companions?

 

If this is your attempt to guilt or scare Bioware into giving you what you want, I think you've failed.