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Should BioWare not reveal characters sexual orientation before release?


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I understand that quite a few of you like to know the characters orientation before release so you know "who to go for" when the game starts. I only wonder if that makes the experience more shallow for players. You are choosing who you will romance after a few released wisps of information, the character's looks, and their sexual orientation and gender. Would it not be a more fulfilling experience if you began friendships with these characters, started flirting with them, and then they begin to return your advances? Now I do understand that this is only my personal preference, but unfortunately it is not the only reasons that the pre-release of the sexual orientations bother me. I may be in the minority, but it has always come across as a bit exploitative to use a character's orientation as a selling point. These characters are creations that hopefully have full and developed arcs, and their orientation shouldn't be a defining characteristic of them unless it has majorly effected their lives at some point. When orientations are revealed prior to release chaos ensues over whether or not BioWare is stereotyping, or pandering, or not pandering enough. I believe even the negativity will do wonders for a game's marketing because the controversy gets many people to discuss the game. However much I enjoy the BioWare romance arcs, or do not as it may be, I find that the pre-release of sexual orientations has always rubbed me the wrong way especially for a company that is claimed to be as forward thinking as BioWare.

 

Let me offer a counterpoint to this - to the LGBT players, not knowing the sexuality of the people we're attracted to is part of our every day life. And for many, it's also a potential risk to their safety to even approach the topic, attempting to find out if someone is interested. While BioWare games are a safer space than many, in that there's no physical risk to the player and the characters tend to let you down fairly easy, not knowing a person's sexuality ahead of time is something that many have trained themselves to not be forward unless they are in an environment that is predominantly non-heterosexual. Particularly given that at least Inquisition provided opportunities to flirt with people who were not actually romance options, or were not of compatible orientations, the existence of a flirt option itself in game isn't enough to indicate that this character is open to advances from the same gender. Knowing ahead of time who is and who isn't available to you as this gender can be a way to reassure the player that they aren't going to be putting themselves out there for the same rejection they face in the physical world.

 

I do see your point, about judging the characters on their arcs and not on their sexualities, and the kerfluffle that tends to result in the wake of learning [character] is [sexuality]. Honestly, though, I don't think it's possible for them to keep a lid on the characters and who is and is not romanceable. Just not possible - the romances tend to be a draw for BioWare games, as a way to emotionally connect to the characters. Given the mess that was Inquisition's handling of romance reveals, I think it'd just be better to release the list of who's who and who's romanceable by who all at once, so that even if there are people banking on someone being one or another, the sting is dulled by learning who they can romance instead. It's got to be better than the steady drip of reveals that came about from Inquisition, where they told us who was romanceable slowly over the course of time.



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Well if they made all of them bi, then everyone gets screwed. :o See how easy that was? Six LIs and all of them bi! Do they really have to make any point at all? I mean if you only play a hetero male character would you know that your LI is really bi unless you read it on the forum? No. 


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Well if they made all of them bi, then everyone gets screwed. :o See how easy that was? Six LIs and all of them bi! Do they really have to make any point at all? I mean if you only play a hetero male character would you know that your LI is really bi unless you read it on the forum? No.

I like that characters have their own orientation and tastes it makes them more believable you know more real making everyone Bi gives you any option you want but at the cost of the extra character depth.

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Well if they made all of them bi, then everyone gets screwed. :o See how easy that was? Six LIs and all of them bi! Do they really have to make any point at all? I mean if you only play a hetero male character would you know that your LI is really bi unless you read it on the forum? No. 

 

I'd take the DA2 method for simple the fact that it avoids the endless threads of Male/Female PCs getting shafted. I would welcome the threads of "Bioware took the lazy route" over the endless whining of the other threads as they crop up more often, and at a greater rate.


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To be fair I think this is more of a DA problem (they are big fans of the promiscuous bisexual trope, for instance... ugh).

 

ME doesn't generally have that problem. Well, ME3 didn't have that problem. I don't think Cortez was a stereotype (even if you do hook up in a club); Traynor definitely not; the bisexual characters were not stereotypes either. (ME and ME2 were just like, what is teh gay, I don't understand, these people exist? Not in the future they don't!)

 

It's not quite like that. In ME1 Liara x FemShep can be considered a lesbian romance while in ME2 FemShep can flirt with Kelly Chambers. It's more like they were avoiding any male x male romances because god forbid they displease some narrow-minded players.



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I'd take the DA2 method for simply the fact that it avoids the endless threads of Male/Female PCs getting shafted. I would welcome the threads of "Bioware took the lazy route" over the endless whining of the other threads as they crop up more often, and at a greater rate.

 

But those "took the lazy route" threads have endless complaints too. Bioware can't win, there will always be people who didn't like something.

 

And I used to be on the bus of "All bi LI's" but then realized that I actually prefer them to have their own orientation. Just that I'd like them to not make the new game another harem for straight males.


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But those "took the lazy route" threads have endless complaints too. Bioware can't win, there will always be people who didn't like something.

 

And I used to be on the bus of "All bi LI's" but then realized that I actually prefer them to have their own orientation. Just that I'd like them to not make the new game another harem for straight males.

 

You see, I'm one of those who doesn't give a damn about romance, and sneers at the fact they dominate the thoughts of most of the people here. I'm looking at it from a future perspective. Do I want more threads about various things? Or do I want the repetition of "Bioware  shafted those of <Insert orientation/gender here>!" If I want that much whining I'll lurk on tumblr.



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 Bi gives you any option you want but at the cost of the extra character depth.

It's a matter of personal preference between these two, honestly. For me, the option severely outweights the "depth" orientation adds to a character.


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I hope just to spite all the heterosexuals and homosexuals all the characters around you are asexual.



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Hmm, does that make it better? They're orientation is still used as a selling point. I don't with revealing the potential romances beforehand at all. You are choosing the character you will go down a romantic route with for the shallowest reasons. The way they look, the way you think they will act, and their sexual orientation and gender. The only reason the orientation bothers me so much more is because I see it as an exploitative way to have have people start talking about the game.

 

Ah, I was looking at it as the mass potential LIs you could have for one playthrough. Four if you choose to play as a female and four if you choose to play as a male.

 

 

You are choosing on what you see as interesting character based on looks and personality. Isn't that quite normal reason to approach person? You find out more in the actual game.

 

If I don't have knowledge about this before the game the first playthrough will be quite fail for me, I usually plan my characters more and less according LI's so that's away from me and it's quite likely that I'll fail the romance somehow ^^;



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Don't really care either way if they are announced ahead of time or not. Romances are interesting bits of side content, but not why I play ME or DA.


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I really just don't care what people's preferences are in the sack.  I think people make too much out of it.  I care more about how the characters themselves fit into the story than what they like to do in the bedroom.



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 It's more like they were avoiding any male x male romances because god forbid they displease some narrow-minded players.

 

I very much doubt that was really the case.

 

 

More likely there was just not any desire on the part of the writers to include them, which, quite frankly, is very understandable.



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I'd rather they didn't reveal the LI's at all beforehand and just let people find out when they play.

Seconded, though I really don't care for the revealing of sexualities before the game comes out.

 

It really seems to play into the creepy mindset of "I gotta plan for who I wanna ****".


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I hope just to spite all the heterosexuals and homosexuals all the characters around you are asexual.

 

That would not necessarily exclude romance nor sex: asexuality can be considered a spectrum of sorts.

 

To provide a few examples: some might be interested in romance and some might not mind engaging in carnal activities while some might be disinterested in romance and might have no interest in engaging in carnal activities even considering it downright unpleasent to even consider.
 


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I like that characters have their own orientation and tastes it makes them more believable you know more real making everyone Bi gives you any option you want but at the cost of the extra character depth.

 

Nah I don't feel the DA2 characters were any less well-written than ME characters or other DA franchise characters. The only benefit you get with varying the sexualities of the romance-able characters is representation.

 

It's not quite like that. In ME1 Liara x FemShep can be considered a lesbian romance while in ME2 FemShep can flirt with Kelly Chambers. It's more like they were avoiding any male x male romances because god forbid they displease some narrow-minded players.

 

Oh yeah trust me I didn't forget those two possibilities. Well, I kinda did forget Chambers lol But I've always seen ME1 Liara as being more for, ahem, guys who play as girls, if you know what I mean. All asari in ME1 and 2 pretty much jump all over you whether you like them or not. They're such a cooler race in ME3.


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I hope just to spite all the heterosexuals and homosexuals all the characters around you are asexual.

It'd be great if they had romances whose orientations are asexual, demisexual, etc. 


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It really seems to play into the creepy mindset of "I gotta plan for who I wanna ****".

 

I'm not sure you've ever played a BioWare romance since, you know, they are called romances and not porn sessions, and sex, if it even takes place on screen, is a very small part of the overall story arch.

 

That would not necessarily exclude romance nor sex: asexuality can be considered a spectrum of sorts.

 

It's hard for many people to separate attraction and sexual desire, but yep!


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I really just don't care what people's preferences are in the sack.  I think people make too much out of it.  I care more about how the characters themselves fit into the story than what they like to do in the bedroom.

Only reason why I care is romance wise, I simply want to know who I can romance and with what kind of character. Other wise sexuality doesn't affect how I feel about character.

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Since we're playing as a human with the remnants of the human race I'll tend to shy away from alien romances.... Here's your team and LIs.

 

I'd like to see one of our squad mates be a drag queen and a real bad ass. Computer hacker and a "sentinel" class in combat. He'd be a blast to have around. Make him a gay romance option.

 

Then we need the crusty but benign middle aged bad ass merc - make him a hetero LI for the female player.

 

Then we need a Kaidan Alenko type except infiltrator class - make him compelling character and make him bi.

 

Asari Adept makes sense if they're along for the ride, but make her a subversion of the trope used in the previous games. - cynical as hell and tough as steel. Bi by being mono-gendered.

 

A Miranda type without the daddy issues and the cat suit or the gratuitous butt shots for the guys. Make her a really awesome character.

 

An another woman, combat engineer class, bad ass, well developed character. lesbian.

 

For all characters, can we ditch the daddy issues and crap like that? I don't want my protagonist to feel like the ship's psychologist. And if that's not going to be the case, let's have a ship's psychologist.



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I really just don't care what people's preferences are in the sack.  I think people make too much out of it.  I care more about how the characters themselves fit into the story than what they like to do in the bedroom.

 

Wouldn't that be a nice forum to visit?



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Everyone having all the options available to them surely affects your single-player experience. We all know straight men are evil and we should try to undermine the patriarchy at every turn. No hetero options for men this time Bioware, embrace diversity.

 

Also a persons sexual orientation literally defines their whole character.  -_-


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I very much doubt that was really the case.

 

 

More likely there was just not any desire on the part of the writers to include them, which, quite frankly, is very understandable.

 

Care to explain why you think that and why not including such romances is understandable?


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That would not necessarily exclude romance nor sex: asexuality can be considered a spectrum of sorts.

 

To provide a few examples: some might be interested in romance and some might not mind engaging in carnal activities while some might be disinterested in romance and might have no interest in engaging in carnal activities even considering it downright unpleasent to even consider.
 

Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone, or low or absent interest in sexual activity,while this might not rule the above out it pretty much makes the learning curve for love bloody vertical.