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#126
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 All asari in ME1 and 2 pretty much jump all over you whether you like them or not. They're such a cooler race in ME3.

 

I thought they were pretty f'ing cool in the first with the Destiny Ascension.   And being the first ones to the Citadel.  And having natural biotics. 

 

 


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Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone, or low or absent interest in sexual activity,while this might not rule the above out it pretty much makes the learning curve for love bloody vertical. 

 

I know it is hard, but try to separate sexual desire from romance and intimacy. An asexual person can still be romantic and want to have a loving relationship. I mean in a partnership, there is more than bumping and grinding... there's spending time together, snuggling, kissing, and so on.


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I thought they were pretty f'ing cool in the first with the Destiny Ascension.   And being the first ones to the Citadel.  And having natural biotics. 

 

Oh yeah, well, they're still my favorite race! Well, second after the quarians xD Cause QUARIANS ♥_♥



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Quarians are a cool race ahhhh...   But not here.  Let's not derail the thread. 

 

Asexuality has nothing to do with love or intimacy or even sexual attraction.  With another person or even yourself.  What asexual means is the ability to produce offspring with yourself.

 

EDIT :   Okay, scratch that.



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Well if they made all of them bi, then everyone gets screwed. :o See how easy that was? Six LIs and all of them bi! Do they really have to make any point at all? I mean if you only play a hetero male character would you know that your LI is really bi unless you read it on the forum? No. 

If I remember correctly, one of the developers stated that the development for all-bi vs sexual orientation would be roughly the same, so if they are all bi, it's likely that we only have 4 since they need to do it for both genders. I'm skeptical about that since they don't have to write new dialogues, create difference scenes and only have to account for high differences. Maleshep with Kaidan is literally cut and paste from Femshep with scenes being cut out. Whatever they do, I hope they at least give the gay romance some attentions. They are often cut due to time constraint like many deleted dialogues for bi Cullen (with companions) and bi Cullen ending as well or the whole SWTOR fiasco. I would rather take all bi rather than getting the short end of the stick over and over again. 



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Quarians are a cool race ahhhh...   But not here.  Let's not derail the thread. 

 

Asexuality has nothing to do with love or intimacy or even sexual attraction.  With another person or even yourself.  What asexual means is the ability to produce offspring with yourself.

Asexual is a word that has more than one use now. Asexual reproduction is what you're referring to. Asexual orientation is what others are talking about.


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I reckon a demi-god-whatever sexual romance would be terribly exciting for most people.



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Quarians are a cool race ahhhh...   But not here.  Let's not derail the thread. 

 

Asexuality has nothing to do with love or intimacy or even sexual attraction.  With another person or even yourself.  What asexual means is the ability to produce offspring with yourself.

 

EDIT :   Okay, scratch that.

Please, we all know Turian is the best race in Mass Effect.



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Knowing before hand is, to me, dumb.  What fun is there when dealing with aliens if you already know personal things about the person before you.  Now, as a function of the race itself, then sure I guess it's fine to let it out but if not defined by species, keep it secret.  :)



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It'd be great if they had romances whose orientations are asexual, demisexual, etc. 

 

Why is it so great?

Most players that are still into the romance thing will just feel "cheated" somehow, because I bet that the LI is not going to anounce this at the start.

(drama and feelz and all that)

 

You are not adding a new romance option here, you are taking an option away from existing LI's.

 

Do you realise how tiresome this whole thing became?

How long until there is a demand to double the number of romances to include all those obscure sexualities?

 

In the words of the Angry Elcor: Free yourself Bioware. (and us, from this insatiable "romance" monster)


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Why is it so great?

Most players that are still into the romance thing will just feel "cheated" somehow, because I bet that the LI is not going to anounce this at the start.

(drama and feelz and all that)

 

You are not adding a new romance option here, you are taking an option away from existing LI's.

 

Do you realise how tiresome this whole thing became?

How long until there is a demand to double the number of romances to include all those obscure sexualities?

 

In the words of the Angry Elcor: Free yourself Bioware. (and us, from this insatiable "romance" monster)

How is having a LI of those orientations taking away from anyone? There would still be a romance arc, and it would be available to all players. The only orientations that take options away are heterosexual and homosexual, since they are only available to one gender. 



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Let me offer a counterpoint to this - to the LGBT players, not knowing the sexuality of the people we're attracted to is part of our every day life. And for many, it's also a potential risk to their safety to even approach the topic, attempting to find out if someone is interested. While BioWare games are a safer space than many, in that there's no physical risk to the player and the characters tend to let you down fairly easy, not knowing a person's sexuality ahead of time is something that many have trained themselves to not be forward unless they are in an environment that is predominantly non-heterosexual. Particularly given that at least Inquisition provided opportunities to flirt with people who were not actually romance options, or were not of compatible orientations, the existence of a flirt option itself in game isn't enough to indicate that this character is open to advances from the same gender. Knowing ahead of time who is and who isn't available to you as this gender can be a way to reassure the player that they aren't going to be putting themselves out there for the same rejection they face in the physical world.

 

I do see your point, about judging the characters on their arcs and not on their sexualities, and the kerfluffle that tends to result in the wake of learning [character] is [sexuality]. Honestly, though, I don't think it's possible for them to keep a lid on the characters and who is and is not romanceable. Just not possible - the romances tend to be a draw for BioWare games, as a way to emotionally connect to the characters. Given the mess that was Inquisition's handling of romance reveals, I think it'd just be better to release the list of who's who and who's romanceable by who all at once, so that even if there are people banking on someone being one or another, the sting is dulled by learning who they can romance instead. It's got to be better than the steady drip of reveals that came about from Inquisition, where they told us who was romanceable slowly over the course of time.

You give a reasonable point, and I would never want someone to feel uncomfortable about flirting with a video game character for fear of rejection that reflects off of there real world experiences. However, I believe my point still stands that there is a good deal of shallowness in the way player picks the best character on display. I dislike that a character's sexual orientation and even their romanceability is what makes them desirable to players. I think it is a small disservice to the writers that people jump to characters because of their availability whilst ignoring non-romances and other characters who do not romantically interest them.

 

You are choosing on what you see as interesting character based on looks and personality. Isn't that quite normal reason to approach person? You find out more in the actual game.

 

If I don't have knowledge about this before the game the first playthrough will be quite fail for me, I usually plan my characters more and less according LI's so that's away from me and it's quite likely that I'll fail the romance somehow ^^;

In real life I meet a person and learn about them, and those things, along with their physical attributes, is what originally peaks my interest. This is not what BioWare does though, it isn't some dating site where this character lists his interests. BioWare shares information about the character and you decide you will romance him because of that... as far as real life examples go it's much more similar to a pimp giving out information for about his prostitutes. 

Excellent, now I'll have to try to erase that comparison from my mind.

I truly don't understand why you would create your character around another character you know little to nothing about. What if you don't like her in the actual game? And what are you getting from her pre-release other than some preconceived stereotypes and a few fun facts? Aren't you just giving in to cliches making your character based on what little you know of the LI you are interested in?

 

Seconded, though I really don't care for the revealing of sexualities before the game comes out.

 

It really seems to play into the creepy mindset of "I gotta plan for who I wanna ****".

We can only be thankful that BioWare doesn't reveal which characters will have nude scenes in the game. I can only imagine how much this would effect people's choices in LIs.

 

I reckon a demi-god-whatever sexual romance would be terribly exciting for most people.

It seems to be exciting for many fangirls and others.

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How is having a LI of those orientations taking away from anyone? There would still be a romance arc, and it would be available to all players. The only orientations that take options away are heterosexual and homosexual, since they are only available to one gender.


Honestly, if they'd just do away with the sex scenes, inject some fade-to-black in romantic moments, and be ambiguous about when / whether intimacy has ever occurred, they'd solve a lot of problems - especially if they added repeatable flirt / proposition dialogues ala DAO.

-- No more formulaic sex before the final battle scenes.
-- Affection / sex / whatever could occur whenever and as often as the player chooses.
-- Any romance could be asexual, demisexual, fully sexual, or full-on rabbits.
-- No having to deal with any issues around nudity in sex scenes.
-- It would be a giant step toward allowing different body models for the protag.

Of course, people who need to see everything play out on screen might not be too pleased about it, but the role-playing freedom would be enormous.
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I'd rather romances started earlier in the game and had a longer arc over the course of the game


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It does matter actually, straight people need to know how much they are getting screwed over despite the fact that they are majority in who buys the game and keeps bioware running.

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Why is it so great?

Most players that are still into the romance thing will just feel "cheated" somehow, because I bet that the LI is not going to anounce this at the start.

(drama and feelz and all that)

 

You are not adding a new romance option here, you are taking an option away from existing LI's.

 

Do you realise how tiresome this whole thing became?

How long until there is a demand to double the number of romances to include all those obscure sexualities?

 

In the words of the Angry Elcor: Free yourself Bioware. (and us, from this insatiable "romance" monster)

 

Soon enough, there will be people demanding demisexual LIs with a thing for BDSM involving bananas.



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Honestly, if they'd just do away with the sex scenes, inject some fade-to-black in romantic moments, and be ambiguous about when / whether intimacy has ever occurred, they'd solve a lot of problems - especially if they added repeatable flirt / proposition dialogues ala DAO.

-- No more formulaic sex before the final battle scenes.
-- Affection / sex / whatever could occur whenever and as often as the player chooses.
-- Any romance could be asexual, demisexual, fully sexual, or full-on rabbits.
-- No having to deal with any issues around nudity in sex scenes.
-- It would be a giant step toward allowing different body models for the protag.

Of course, people who need to see everything play out on screen might not be too pleased about it, but the role-playing freedom would be enormous.

Let ME be ME and play other games that allow that like Star Wars the Old Republic instead of forcing every game to be the same. 



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Let ME be ME and play other games that allow that like Star Wars the Old Republic instead of forcing every game to be the same. 

Star Wars: The Old Republic allows non-heterosexual romances? I heard every romance in that game are heterosexual.



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Star Wars: The Old Republic allows non-heterosexual romances? I heard every romance in that game is a straight one, other than the homosexual ones added in a DLC. 

They have the gay planet DLC, but they only have fade to black so it's like what people are asking. I have a feeling they may add gay romance in the next expansion, but we'll see. I won't play the game unless it gets added in the game. There are many games with in game romance with no sex scenes at all like Fire Emblem which allows gay romance as well. 



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I'd rather romances started earlier in the game and had a longer arc over the course of the game

 

I think that's something Dragon Age Origins did really well. You can announce your intentions right off the bat, and in the case of Alistair and Morrigan, the romances are quite relevant for the whole game. Mass Effect, romances don't really begin until halfway through, or even later, and by that point, it's little more than a sex scene. Some gossip between the party would be nice, too (another thing that the Dragon Age series does).



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I prefer not to know. I don't really want to know much at all about the characters or the plot before I play. I am trying hard to stay updated and not have anything spoiled (according to my own criteria). This is hard. Almost ss hard as not having the new Star Wars movie spoiled before it comes out.



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The gay planet?!  I'm guessing you mean Makeb, on which you can flirt with same-gender NPCs.  There's a gay story arc in the Shadow of Revan DLC, which covers several planets if you do the intro and at minimum two.  Sadly, the vanilla game had all LGBT content removed, though with some companions you have to wonder (I'm looking at you, Quinn, and your constant sub comments promising to do whatever my warrior wants and then never, ever delivering.)

 

I go on full forum strike six months before release or whenever I see the first thread revealing companion information.  I always play the first trip through a game a spoiler-free as possible, which means I also always have one character that's a miserable wreck--makes for entertaining imports.  :D



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Star Wars: The Old Republic allows non-heterosexual romances? I heard every romance in that game are heterosexual.

Each class have only 2 romances 1 female 1 male. Smuggler and warrior have 2 female basically 1 light side 1 dark side, And I think if you make Jaesa psychopath you can romantically kill everyone and bathe in dark side.

 

In Makeb expansion I think are 2 bi characters I don't know after main game I not flirt because I think I romanced.



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I think that's something Dragon Age Origins did really well. You can announce your intentions right off the bat, and in the case of Alistair and Morrigan, the romances are quite relevant for the whole game. Mass Effect, romances don't really begin until halfway through, or even later, and by that point, it's little more than a sex scene. Some gossip between the party would be nice, too (another thing that the Dragon Age series does).

 

Leliana requires some moderate pacing, because if her approval level is too high too soon, you remove the dialogue option that asks about bards being spies, locking out the quest to find Marjolaine. I always hate breaking quests. 



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Each class have only 2 romances 1 female 1 male. Smuggler and warrior have 2 female basically 1 light side 1 dark side, And I think if you make Jaesa psychopath you can romantically kill everyone and bathe in dark side.

 

In Makeb expansion I think are 2 bi characters I don't know after main game I not flirt because I think I romanced.

 

You can romance Lana Beniko and Theron Shan as well - they're major characters in the SoR storyline and can be romanced by the player regardless of the player's gender. They'll both be back in the new expansion - well, Lana definitely is, and I certainly expect that Theron will pop up eventually at some point in the new KotFE story.