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[Qun00]

Does either of them improve his character in any way?

As in, becoming a little more open minded about mages or ceasing to be such a big ball of negativity the whole time.

[Lythinae]

Are you talking romance, or just in general?? 

Probably friendship, in general.  All though neither make a huge impact wrt to mages (which personally, I think is understandable)

 

I think there's a bigger difference between romance and the general path, though.

[Qun00]

How does it go with romance, then? Does he learn to relax a little?

[Lythinae]

Just out of curiosity, have you played right through??

 

If by relax, you mean does he start singing the praises of magic?  No, and given his backstory it's shouldn't be that unexpected.

 

I mean, he's got a pretty good reason to be the way he is, but on the romance path he's given more of a reason to go forward and start looking at things beyond just surviving.

 

If you listen to background banter, he can be funny but he's dry, not lol funny.  It's him that laughs at Isabela's 'thumb up the ass' comment, though.

[Qun00]

Uhh... no. I meant cheering up in a general sense.

People with cancer have it pretty bad, but they don't necessarily talk about that in every single hour of the day.

[Chaos Imperius]

In general sense he talks more nicely to you, will join you if you will side with mages,and in ending varric adds a line which tells you he stayed with you after the battle

also you can teach him how to read because he never learned that,When you arrive at Hawke’s mansion, Fenris is there. He says “I’ve been thinking about you and nothing else. Command me to go and I shall.” Say – “Don’t go”. Fenris then gives you a passionate kiss. Your character then responds to his affections by pressing Fenris up against the wall and making out with him. An intimate encounter follows.

Afterwards, Fenris has gotten up from your bed and is fully dressed. Your character says something like “Was it that bad?”Fenris responds by saying that it was the best but he is troubled by some of his memories resurfacing and then disappearing. He says that your relationship is too much and moved too fast. Dialog will begin. Regardless of which way you try to reason with him, Fenris will leave your mansion. He won't move to your mansion if you will continue in romance

[Chaos Imperius]

+ he is more friendly and more open about mages

[springacres]

I can't bring myself to do the rivalry thing with him - it just seems so wrong.  (Plus, to gain the most rivalry with him I have to side with slavers which... yeah, not gonna happen.)  From my perspective, he does eventually cheer up a little.  Having people like Hawke, Sebastian and Varric around, people he can trust not to push him too far and who have his back, is what seems to make the difference.

 

I love his dry, sarcastic humor, though.  "I shall endeavor to exist with less offense."  Gets me every time.  Also, the banter in Legacy with snark!Hawke about how s/he gets into these situations so often.

[Qun00]

If Hawke is a mage romancing Fenris is that ever addressed? I mean, the very fact that it normally would be unlikely to happen.

The line about being a stronger person than Anders doesn't really count, as it probably still is said if you just have high friendship points.

[Cz-99]

I forgot which one, but one of 'em frees him of all emotions, prejudices, etc.

 

Wait, no - that's death that does that. Hmm. Yeah, that's probably the best choice here.

[springacres]

If Hawke is a mage romancing Fenris is that ever addressed? I mean, the very fact that it normally would be unlikely to happen.

The line about being a stronger person than Anders doesn't really count, as it probably still is said if you just have high friendship points.

It's addressed in canon via hand-waving during the Act 2 Speak to Fenris quest - when he says, "I'm an escaped slave, an elf, living in an abandoned mansion.  None of these things bother you?" choosing the middle option results in a mage!Hawke saying, "And I'm an apostate refugee."

 

However, I headcanon that this is not their only discussion on the issue, since, as you said, it's a relatively unlikely situation.  As for the other companions - at the very least, Anders would probably bring it up.  But the game doesn't ever really bring it up from Fenris' perspective.

[Lythinae]

Uhh... no. I meant cheering up in a general sense.

People with cancer have it pretty bad, but they don't necessarily talk about that in every single hour of the day.

 

He does, but it how much you see sometimes depends on who you've got with you.  A lot gets revealed in the banter.  I'd seriously recommend switching up your party as much as you can.  Ditto going through all the conversation options.  I just think wanting him to be to become completely pro-mage is a but of an unreal expectation (and kind of outside the scope of the game)

 

With companion banter, it depends what your party build is like.  If you have Anders with you, you'll get a lot of mage stuff since that's the majority of what he talks about with everyone.  His personal stuff deals a lot with it, so it wouldn't make sense if it never came up.  His experiences with magic/mages have been ****, to say the least.  When you first met him he doesn't really have anything to be happy about, and the romance does give him that.  It just takes awhile for him to trust the people around him.

 

He's friendly with the non-mage characters.  Like I said, he's dry rather than silly or joke-y funny so sometimes it's harder to pick up on, I guess.  There's that thumb up the ass bit from Isabela - Fenris and Varric are the ones to laugh about it.  There's Act 3 banter with Aveline that has him playing cards with one of the other guards (who you can meet in Act 2).  If you don't romance either of them, he'll hook up with Isabela.  But if you take him out with only Anders and Merrill, it won't seem like anything changes (hell, it'll probably feel like it's worse).

 

If Hawke is a mage romancing Fenris is that ever addressed? I mean, the very fact that it normally would be unlikely to happen.

The line about being a stronger person than Anders doesn't really count, as it probably still is said if you just have high friendship points.

 

Not hugely.  He'll either comment that Bethany or Hawke isn't weak (it's in a banter with Anders, and the comparison is a dig at Anders.  The friendship/rivalry with Hawke is irrelevant ).  On the friendship path there's a cute scene where he toasts Hawke and will say you're the finest mage he's met.

The game does a lot of handwaving with the issue in general, you can be a deals-with-demons blood mage and it very rarely gets commented on (you get the most reaction out of Anders for that).  While I don't think it's unlikely that he could be friends with or romantically involved with a mage, it would depend on what type of mage you were.  It's generally implied that he's friends with Bethany, and they're cute in Mark of the Assassin.

[Melbella]

I did rivalry with Fenris once (not romance) and I really didn't like where he ended up, which was basically where he started. He takes everything as an insult with an "out to get him" attitude. It just didn't do the character justice, imo. If you go the friend route with him, though he will never "like" mages, he's much more accepting and open-minded and thinks of Hawke as a true friend. I've done all the romances in DA2 but Fenris remains my favorite. I love the dry humor and VA as well.

[springacres]

In general sense he talks more nicely to you, will join you if you will side with mages,and in ending varric adds a line which tells you he stayed with you after the battle

also you can teach him how to read because he never learned that,When you arrive at Hawke’s mansion, Fenris is there. He says “I’ve been thinking about you and nothing else. Command me to go and I shall.” Say – “Don’t go”. Fenris then gives you a passionate kiss. Your character then responds to his affections by pressing Fenris up against the wall and making out with him. An intimate encounter follows.

Afterwards, Fenris has gotten up from your bed and is fully dressed. Your character says something like “Was it that bad?”Fenris responds by saying that it was the best but he is troubled by some of his memories resurfacing and then disappearing. He says that your relationship is too much and moved too fast. Dialog will begin. Regardless of which way you try to reason with him, Fenris will leave your mansion. He won't move to your mansion if you will continue in romance

Just to clarify, this only happens if you're in a romance with him, and the specific scene Chaos is referencing happens ONLY if you let him walk out of the mansion at the end of A Bitter Pill instead of choosing the "Don't go" option at that point.

[Qun00]

Which of Hawke's personality settings feels better for a Fenris romance?

[Ryzaki]

Yeah Rivalry Fenris is more bitter than Friendship Fenris but he's also more willing to look critically at himself it was just a bitter pill to swallow (har har pun on quest name). Friendship Fenris is more relaxed and open.

 

Snarky Hawke can crack a smile out of Fenris rivalry or friendship which is usually why I go with it.

[Melbella]

Which of Hawke's personality settings feels better for a Fenris romance?

I played snarky Hawke last time and, while he sometimes got irritated with her, it made for some good laughs. Like Ryzaki says, it makes Fenris smile, and also keeps him on his toes.  Diplomatic Hawke works too. I probably wouldn't take the aggressive options unless I was going for rivalry.

[Ryzaki]

Actually aggressive Hawke and Fenris as a friendship works surprisingly well. It's when you do it for rivalry that it gets kind of ugh.

[renfrees]

Aggressive Hawke and Fenris are very alike. I felt most kinship with him when playing red!Hawke.

[Qun00]

Actually aggressive Hawke and Fenris as a friendship works surprisingly well. It's when you do it for rivalry that it gets kind of ugh.

I'd imagine I will be earning friendship points by opposing blood magic and rivalry points for being pro mage.

Which path am I more likely to end up with?

[vertigomez]

I'd imagine I will be earning friendship points by opposing blood magic and rivalry points for being pro mage.
Which path am I more likely to end up with?

It's very easy to get stuck in the middle/neutral zone with Fenris. If you want to pursue rivalry, take him along when you do pro-mage things and leave him at home when you kill slavers/side with templars/oppose blood magic and vice versa if you want friendship.

Once you get a certain amount of friendship/rivalry you're sort of "locked in", so that the parts where you'd normally gain friendship you'll accrue rivalry instead because the system knows that's what you're going for at that point. So you don't have to micromanage for too terribly long. But it's kind of weird.

[Ryzaki]

I'd imagine I will be earning friendship points by opposing blood magic and rivalry points for being pro mage.

Which path am I more likely to end up with?

 

Neutral zone if you're not careful.

 

But if you're gonna be pro-mage you and you want to go friendship you're gonna need to leave him at home sometimes.

[springacres]

I'd imagine I will be earning friendship points by opposing blood magic and rivalry points for being pro mage.

Which path am I more likely to end up with?

 

 

Neutral zone if you're not careful.

 

But if you're gonna be pro-mage you and you want to go friendship you're gonna need to leave him at home sometimes.

^This, although for certain quests (like Wayward Son and Enemies Among Us) you can take him along for most/all of it and end up with a net gain of friendship by choosing the anti-blood mage/anti-slave options.  (Just be careful not to have him along when you talk to Cullen after the cutscene where you decide Keran's fate with the Templars.)

[Lythinae]

There are points where you'l get rivalry, regardless. The first time you take him to the Gallows, and his recruitment quest if you play a mage. How much 'damage'gets done depends on your replies

[springacres]

There are points where you'l get rivalry, regardless. The first time you take him to the Gallows, and his recruitment quest if you play a mage. How much 'damage'gets done depends on your replies

Actually, you can gain friendship the first time through the Gallows even with a mage Hawke, depending on your choices.  (If I'm doing a pro-mage playthrough, I headcanon that at that point Hawke wouldn't yet know how bad things were in Kirkwall.)

 

That's actually one of my favorite scenes with Fenris and mage Hawke.  He barely knows you, doesn't know yet how far he can or can't trust you, and yet he expresses concern for your safety.  Even if his concern is more likely to spring from a sense of pragmatism, or fear of losing a potential ally, it says a good deal about his character.