69 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Lythinae]

In a pro-mage playthrough?? I'm drawing a blank (which is why I probably shouldn't phone post before coffee haha)

[springacres]

In a pro-mage playthrough?? I'm drawing a blank (which is why I probably shouldn't phone post before coffee haha)

Yeah, for the first time through the Gallows you have to choose "The Circle is necessary" to avoid rivalry gain.  Like I said, I have to headcanon that at that point Hawke doesn't know just how bad the Circle in Kirkwall is.  (Yeah, it's a stretch even in Act 1, especially if I've already recruited Anders.)

[Qun00]

I agree with those that say micromanaging is cheating.

It is the same as thinking "My boyfriend is a vegan, so he must never find out that I like meat!"

However, I believe that bringing Fenris with you at least once when you help mages is enough to establish your stance and make this a little more honest.

[vertigomez]

Yeah, I try to keep the micromanaging to a minimum. I always rivalmance him, so I take him along when I do magey things and leave him behind when I whale on slavers, maybe 'cause Hawke doesn't want to risk him getting apprehended. It works without feeling dishonest.

[springacres]

I agree with those that say micromanaging is cheating.

It is the same as thinking "My boyfriend is a vegan, so he must never find out that I like meat!"

However, I believe that bringing Fenris with you at least once when you help mages is enough to establish your stance and make this a little more honest.

I try to keep the micromanaging to a minimum, too.  Unfortunately, one of my issues with DA2 is that the friendship/rivalry system seems to encourage micromanaging.

 

Hence why I bring Fenris along on quests like Wayward Son, which gives me a chance to both kick slaver ass and help mages.  I also headcanon that there's offscreen discussion of Hawke's views on mages.  (Especially given Varric's chattiness.)

[renfrees]

You can bring Fenris everywhere with you, support mages and still befriend him. No micromanagement required, just game knowledge.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, I try to keep the micromanaging to a minimum. I always rivalmance him, so I take him along when I do magey things and leave him behind when I whale on slavers, maybe 'cause Hawke doesn't want to risk him getting apprehended. It works without feeling dishonest.

 

I bring him with the slavers. If you're wishy washy enough he still gets rivalry points and I still get to kill the slavers. win win.

[Fenris8]

Uhh... no. I meant cheering up in a general sense.

People with cancer have it pretty bad, but they don't necessarily talk about that in every single hour of the day.

Wow this thread is new. You haven't played it through yet or u're not his fan? Fenris does cheer up when he's romanced, and even when just friendship he sounds warmer. in act 1, when u nudge him he says'we should move on' in his serious no nonsense tone. But later, he says i enjoy following you, yes my friend? i see that the other posts have details too on certain quests. Generally he is angry with anders and merrill, but Isa, ave and varric are ok with him. U can hear his smile. lol

I'm replaying again. Inqui is fine, but i don't feel much chemistry and it's more task orientated. 

[Fenris8]

On a new playthrough i couldn't, and asked a moderator. She says need to reach the 50% mark at least for him to  want to go into romance with u. LOl, and imagine his mind is like a calculator of probability Mwahah

[Fenris8]

@springacres  Yea he's very pragmatic. I didn't really analyse that scene much, and laugh when he argues with Anders and Beth. Which is why I don't feel Beth is quiet at all, she can very well defend herself as a good mage when he criticizes that mages are vipers

[GoldenGail3]

I always rival him, he stops being so closed minded about stuff, I suppose.

[Catilina]

I always rival him, he stops being so closed minded about stuff, I suppose.

Yes, he realizes sooner, how wrong his anger. Not a bad choice the rival road, but I also  thought for the first time.

[GoldenGail3]

Yes, he realizes sooner. Not a bad choice of rival road, but I also  thought for the first time.

Rivalmancery - totally baft.

[Catilina]

Rivalmancery - totally baft.

 

So hot

 

But i like friendmance too.

[GoldenGail3]

So hot
 
But i like friendmance too.

I assume that's your pefrence?

[Catilina]

I assume that's your pefrence?

Rivalry? The best

[GoldenGail3]

Rivalry? The best

Right.

[Fenris8]

Wow rival so popular here? The great thing about that is he speaks latin before the final battle nar vere lerno victoria Soo hot!

[GoldenGail3]

Wow rival so popular here? The great thing about that is he speaks latin before the final battle nar vere lerno victoria Soo hot!

I think the great thing is the smexy scene...

[Reznore57]

I prefer friendship Fenris.

The first time I tried to romance Fenris it was a bloody catastrophe.Stuck in a nowhere land in rivalry with no respect in sight.

I was trying to be nice to him , as you do when you want to have sexy time with some pixels.

But I was taking Mr Broody everywhere , and it seems I confused him.

Saving mages and saving elves and slaves , meant Fenris didn't know what to think about my Hawke.

So he yelled at me , but worse he wasn't sleeping with me either.

 

In act 3 after I gifted him the sword of Mercy , and he of course made a sour face , and yelled at me again.

He decided he wanted to drop his pants down finally.

Of course he ran away with again a sour face saying "it shouldn't have happened."

Now picture me screaming at my screen "I've been waiting 7 years !7 years! "(ok more like 40 hours.)

And then Anders decided it was time to blow things up , and I decided it was time to save the mages , and Fenris decided it was time to take a bath because "I should have never let you touch me *disgusted face*" and he tried to impale Hawke with his sword , and it was not some sexy metaphor.

 

So after this , I really don't like grumpy sour Fenris who also making sour grape face at Hawke.He's much more relaxed in the friendship path , which I prefer because I want to forget the "I played a doormat Hawke the first time , and I still managed to get dumped like a bag of smelly trash" trauma..

[Catilina]

I think, the rivalry better way for Hawke and Fenris too (not only because it is much hotter...). Yes, Fenris does not accept the sword. By contrast, in his home, after killing Danarius, he no longer blames the mages and acknowledges that he is responsible for his life.

In the friendship romance Fenris is still kept saying, that the mages are responsible for everything, and instead they would quickly could return to the point (to the reconciliation), Hawke needed to argue with him a little on the issue of the mages... Wasted time...but no one of my Hawkes was able to tolerate his insults.

Thus, although it was difficult at first, it seemed more credible rivalry way.

[Lythinae]

Generally, I prefer the friendship path (though I dislike that he's more passive, I don't think his anger is a bad thing).  There are parts of the rivalry I like, but I dislike the couple of 'we're not friends' type line when it's part of a romance, and I'm not a giant fan of how he starts shifting the blame towards himself, rather than at the people who abused him.

[Catilina]

Generally, I prefer the friendship path (though I dislike that he's more passive, I don't think his anger is a bad thing).  There are parts of the rivalry I like, but I dislike the couple of 'we're not friends' type line when it's part of a romance, and I'm not a giant fan of how he starts shifting the blame towards himself, rather than at the people who abused him.

 

(What I write most valid to mage Hawke)

 

This "We are not exactly friends, Fenris" only Hawke's reaction to Fenris' offenses. Hawke fulfill Fenris every request, while Fenris constantly scold him/her. Here it is not about hate, it is not even disagreement about (on Hawke's part), simply that your Hawke patient as an angel, or not really. Remember? After the death of Hadriana Fenris says: "May she rott, and all the other mages with her!" A less patient man would not leave without saying a word. And if Hawke are patient, as an angel, other people will not. Fenris MUST control himself. 

 

Plus note that: if they want to be together, Fenris must accept who/what is Hawke. He able to live with a mage, or not. That does not help if Hawke never confront him.

 

There is about fear, not ideological differences (rivalry, not hatred, they are able be friend later). Fenris really does not hate each mage... (but if so, and he not able to leave this hatred, then friendship or not, the love will not be long-term. )

 

Finally, I think he not starting blames himself for all what happen whit him in his past, but also be able to take responsibility for his anger, and what he did from anger. HE. Not the "mages".

 

In my opinion this is not a bad or cruel way (although at first also I thought that).

[Lythinae]

(What I write most valid to mage Hawke)

 

This "We are not exactly friends, Fenris" only Hawke's reaction to Fenris' offenses. Hawke fulfill Fenris every request, while Fenris constantly scold him/her. Here it is not about hate, it is not even disagreement about (on Hawke's part), simply that your Hawke patient as an angel, or not really. Remember? After the death of Hadriana Fenris says: "May she rott, and all the other mages with her!" A less patient man would not leave without saying a word. And if Hawke are patient, as an angel, other people will not. Fenris MUST control himself. 

 

Plus note that: if they want to be together, Fenris must accept who/what is Hawke. He able to live with a mage, or not. That does not help if Hawke never confront him.

 

There is about fear, not ideological differences (rivalry, not hatred, they are able be friend later). Fenris really does not hate each mage... (but if so, and he not able to leave this hatred, then friendship or not, the love will not be long-term. )

 

Finally, I think he not starting blames himself for all what happen whit him in his past, but also be able to take responsibility for his anger, and what he did from anger. HE. Not the "mages".

 

In my opinion this is not a bad or cruel way (although at first also I thought that).

Like I said - I didn't like lines like that in a romantic context.  It jarred to much with the a lot of the other writing.

 

'Hawke fulfill Fenris every request, while Fenris constantly scold him/her.'

So because you accept a quest, he should be nice to you regardless of the options you take?  The reaction you get from him depends on what you say and do.  I mean, if you're going to take the very pro mage lines, or negotiate with slavers, the guy who was a slave to mages is probably going to disagree.  I play a pro mage rogue, and I didn't get 'constantly scolded'.

Why 'must' he control himself?  He's allowed to react that way - Hadriana was one of his abusers.  He's allowed to be angry with the people who hurt him.  His anger is the direct result of that (which is why I would have liked to see it more on the friendship route).  Lines like 'There is no one left to blame. What I have done I have done to myself' are pretty self blame-y, and encouraging that way of thinking wasn't my cup of tea.

[Catilina]

Like I said - I didn't like lines like that in a romantic context.  It jarred to much with the a lot of the other writing.

 

'Hawke fulfill Fenris every request, while Fenris constantly scold him/her.'

So because you accept a quest, he should be nice to you regardless of the options you take?  The reaction you get from him depends on what you say and do.  I mean, if you're going to take the very pro mage lines, or negotiate with slavers, the guy who was a slave to mages is probably going to disagree.  I play a pro mage rogue, and I didn't get 'constantly scolded'.

Why 'must' he control himself?  He's allowed to react that way - Hadriana was one of his abusers.  He's allowed to be angry with the people who hurt him.  His anger is the direct result of that (which is why I would have liked to see it more on the friendship route).  Lines like 'There is no one left to blame. What I have done I have done to myself' are pretty self blame-y, and encouraging that way of thinking wasn't my cup of tea.

 

He must control himself because he tends to kill people from his anger. This is not a proper thing ... and not incidentally, also Fenris himself did not like it. Remember: he regretted that he killed Hadriana. He said that he did not wanted! So he must to learn to controll his anger for himself, not for Hawke, or not for anyone other.

 

Do not necessary to disagree with him in everything: good enough if Hawke is adamant only in the mage issues. Hawke can freed all slaves of Thedas with Fenris... Hawke can specify any positive response to him (I got a lot of friendship from him, I could hardly work off ...), there is absolutely no need to be hostile to him.