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I was wondering - the location of where the Stargazer scene takes place at the end of ME3 is never defined - what if the Stargazer scene actually takes place in the Andromeda Galaxy.

 

That could even open the idea of playing Stargazer's child as the main protagonist of Andromeda.



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It was just allegory story can be played in different ways and it's not ending. Place is irrelevant.

And it's not real place it's just picture.

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Well my main thought here is best explained in this video:

https://www.youtube....h?v=Z5CHtHPiC0I



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I think it's been conclusively proven that the scene takes place on my computer desktop circa 2006.

 

Sorry, but that was the dumbest scene in a game full of dumb stuff, and they really can't disavow it quickly enough. Granting it any relevance in Andromeda would spoil things from the get go.


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I hope not.

 

Let any mention of 'The Shepard' die with Mass Effect 3. Shepard turning literally into Space Jesus is a direction I'd rather the writers not go.


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If the main character is a child of the stargazer, I would be curious about what the one more story that was told to me about 'the' Shepard



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That stupid scene was predicated on the relay network being irrecoverably destroyed, which was retconned with the Extended Cut, making that stupid scene pointless and stupid. It's nothing. It will have no relevance to Andromeda because it has no relevance to anything.



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That stupid scene was predicated on the relay network being irrecoverably destroyed, which was retconned with the Extended Cut, making that stupid scene pointless and stupid. It's nothing. It will have no relevance to Andromeda because it has no relevance to anything.


That never even made sense before the EC. If the protheans could build relays, so could we, in another century or two.

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I thought Shepard became Space Jesus because synthesis. That at least made sense.

 

Kiiinda.



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The Catalyst said that the relays could easily be repaired.

 

I think that's just bedtime stories the Stargazer is telling the kid.

 

i.e. The Shepard the defeated the bad guy controlling the evil robots...the Shepard was killed but came back to life to stop humans from being abducted...the Shepard destroyed/controlled/refused/synthesized the Reapers...the end.



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But it is a possibility that the stories were passed down for years since Andromeda will take place long after the trilogy and the kid is the protagonist as a child.



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I appreciate what the scene's trying to accomplish, flaws and all, because it gives the final scene of the trilogy some meta-context by recalling a well-known image of a "space planet" and getting a famous astronaut to voice the old man. It's vague and conciliatory enough that it could take place in Andromeda, but I don't think they should expand on it at all, both because of the purpose it serves in ME3's ending (unifying end states and reaffirming that everything will be just fine in the future) and because of the harsh criticism it's received.
 

That stupid scene was predicated on the relay network being irrecoverably destroyed


Why? It's just an old man telling a young kid about outer space and working around the known details of history.
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The Catalyst said that the relays could easily be repaired.


If the Catalyst said that(I don't recall) he didn't say it until the Extended Cut retconned things. The pre-EC ending clearly showed that the relay network and all Reaper-based tech(essentially all advanced tech) was permanently destroyed.

Why? It's just an old man telling a young kid about outer space and working around the known details of history.


The obvious implication of that scene is that everyone is planet-locked, unable to travel to space and unable to communicate with other planets. "The Shepherd" is another indication that these people are stupid and stranded. In the context of being able to travel to space at any time and still being part of a galactic community the scene makes zero sense. Why would Commander Shepard become "The Shepherd" in an age of digital records keeping? Why would that old pedophile make it seem like the kid has to dream about going to space one day?

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I was wondering - the location of where the Stargazer scene takes place at the end of ME3 is never defined - what if the Stargazer scene actually takes place in the Andromeda Galaxy.

 

That could even open the idea of playing Stargazer's child as the main protagonist of Andromeda.

 

Maybe with a slight reinterpretation to the regular base game scene.

 

After Refusal, it is supposed to be MWG given the alien Stargazer talking about the archives and the previous cycle.



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The obvious implication of that scene is that everyone is planet-locked, unable to travel to space and unable to communicate with other planets. "The Shepherd" is another indication that these people are stupid and stranded. In the context of being able to travel to space at any time and still being part of a galactic community the scene makes zero sense. Why would Commander Shepard become "The Shepherd" in an age of digital records keeping? Why would that old pedophile make it seem like the kid has to dream about going to space one day?


Not really. It's just one old man telling one young kid about the history of the galaxy, giving a common variable to all endings to ensure that everything turns out A-OK in all of 'em. History already deifies individuals with time, even giving them nicknames, and obscures details. Kids dream when they cannot presently do. The scene could take place whether they were planet-locked or if they could walk a half mile to a colony with full access to ships and a database, and it still wouldn't convey whether everyone was planet-locked or not.

Remember, this is far in the future. Anything could happen between the ending and that point, but it made sure to emphasize that Shepard was crucial in saving the galaxy and that things continue to turn out alright.
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Why would that old pedophile make it seem like the kid has to dream about going to space one day?

Is there a reason why you're calling the guy a pedophile?



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Is there a reason why you're calling the guy a pedophile?


Because he's a creepy old man walking through the woods with a little kid.

Not really. It's just one old man telling one young kid about the history of the galaxy, giving a common variable to all endings to ensure that everything turns out A-OK in all of 'em. History already deifies individuals with time, even giving them nicknames, and obscures details. Kids dream when they cannot presently do. The scene could take place whether they were planet-locked or if they could walk a half mile to a colony with full access to ships and a database, and it still wouldn't convey whether everyone was planet-locked or not.

Remember, this is far in the future. Anything could happen between the ending and that point, but it made sure to emphasize that Shepard was crucial in saving the galaxy and that things continue to turn out alright.


None of that holds water. "The details have been lost to time." How? Unless all the tech was wiped out and communication drastically reduced the details couldn't have been lost.

The implication is that the galaxy was sent into a very long dark age after the Crucible fired. That was always the implication until the EC retconned it. That's the reason why the Normandy crash landed on Eden and why this scene exists.

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Because he's a creepy old man walking through the woods with a little kid.

That doesn't make him a pedophile.



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That doesn't make him a pedophile.


You realize we're talking a fictional character with no backstory or personality, right? It's just an old joke. Unbunch your panties.

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You realize we're talking a fictional character with no backstory or personality, right? It's just an old joke. Unbunch your panties.

You seem to be bothered by the scene enough to call him a pedophile, right?



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None of that holds water. "The details have been lost to time." How? Unless all the tech was wiped out and communication drastically reduced the details couldn't have been lost.


We've already lost the details of history to time, not to mention equipment malfunction. Files are changed, translated and retranslated, rerecorded, lost, or outright reinterpreted. There are any number of reasons why the details could have been lost (on that particular planet!) with time, especially that far out in the future. Nothing indicates that we've lost the ability to write or type, or that all data was lost when the Crucible went off.
 

The implication is that the galaxy was sent into a very long dark age after the Crucible fired. That was always the implication until the EC retconned it. That's the reason why the Normandy crash landed on Eden and why this scene exists.


Yes, the galaxy went through a period without the relays, which limited their travel capabilities. Does that mean that being planet-locked was a universal situation for all time? Remember: one planet, one old man, one kid, and a lot of vagueness to adapt to all ending states.

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You seem to be bothered by the scene enough to call him a pedophile, right?


My recycling of an old joke means I'm bothered? You either need to try harder or try something else, because trolling ain't for you.

We've already lost the details of history to time, not to mention equipment malfunction. Files are changed, translated and retranslated, rerecorded, lost, or outright reinterpreted. There are any number of reasons why the details could have been lost (on that particular planet!) with time, especially that far out in the future. Nothing indicates that we've lost the ability to write or type, or that all data was lost when the Crucible went off.


We've lost details from before the age of digital information. Losing the details of the Reaper war and Commander Shepard is an impossibility without a galaxy-wide dark age. And why, in an enlightened galaxy, would Shepard have become a Christ-like figure?
 

Yes, the galaxy went through a period without the relays, which limited their travel capabilities. Does that mean that being planet-locked was a universal situation for all time? Remember: one planet, one old man, one kid, and a lot of vagueness to adapt to all ending states.


It's not like that planet was forced on BioWare. They wrote that scene. It was entirely up to them to show what's happening long after Shepard fired the Crucible. Why would they choose some lone backwater that isn't indicative of what's actually happening?
It makes no sense. Apply a bit of logic instead of looking for the most convoluted answer.

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I was wondering - the location of where the Stargazer scene takes place at the end of ME3 is never defined - what if the Stargazer scene actually takes place in the Andromeda Galaxy.

 

That could even open the idea of playing Stargazer's child as the main protagonist of Andromeda.

Isn't it the same world the Normandy crashed on?



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My recycling of an old joke means I'm bothered? You either need to try harder or try something else, because trolling ain't for you.

If it doesn't bother you why call the guy a pedophile?  And what joke are you recycling?



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If it doesn't bother you why call the guy a pedophile?  And what joke are you recycling?

 

Because Buzz Aldrin is not a trained actor and every aspect of his delivery was cringeworthy, I imagine.

 

His presence as a different character in the main game would have been a whole lot more welcome. That whole scene is just stupid.