So, i have made two weapondemonstration videos and here is another one. This time its the Harriers turn. I am certain alot of you like this weapon as i do! In previous videos i havent claimed so strongly that its one of the really good weapons in the game. With this one i do.
I hope you like the video and please comment on the choice of weapon.
If its not too much to ask please watch the video on youtube. I akm not sure if i will get a look if seen in this thread:)
The harrier? Really bad UR. Give me the Eagle any time (Almost identical damage per shot, more ammo). Seriously sick of hearing how OMGBS the Harrier is, it's not, it is garbage above Bronze. It is one of the best mook killers in the game, and that's about it. It will take your ENTIRE RESERVE AMMO to kill one boss unit. You get ALMOST as much damage out of the entire reserve ammo of the Avenger. (18k vs 20k, vs gold+ armour).
EDIT: For comparison, Lancer is 10k/clip, Typhoon is about 50k for all reserve ammo, and Spitfire is 22k clip/100k for all reserve ammo)
The harrier? Really bad UR. Give me the Eagle any time (Almost identical damage per shot, more ammo). Seriously sick of hearing how OMGBS the Harrier is, it's not, it is garbage above Bronze. It is one of the best mook killers in the game, and that's about it. It will take your ENTIRE RESERVE AMMO to kill one boss unit. You get ALMOST as much damage out of the entire reserve ammo of the Avenger. (18k vs 20k, vs gold+ armour).
Have you watched the video? If you had you would have noticed that my RANK 1 harrier has enough "reserve ammo" to take down a bosstype! RANK 1!!!
Have you watched the video? If you had you would have noticed that my RANK 1 harrier has enough "reserve ammo" to take down a bosstype! RANK 1!!!
ROFL! Every boss unit in that video was also pummelled by Powers.
ROFL! Every boss unit in that video was also pummelled by Powers.
Without going into details - that's how the game is to be played and what sets it apart from most shooters...
So, i have made two weapondemonstration videos and here is another one. This time its the Harriers turn. I am certain alot of you like this weapon as i do! In previous videos i havent claimed so strongly that its one of the really good weapons in the game. With this one i do.
I hope you like the video and please comment on the choice of weapon.
If its not too much to ask please watch the video on youtube. I akm not sure if i will get a look if seen in this thread:)
You Tube will register the views, even here.
I was truly surprised it was never hit with the nerf stick. The amount of crying over this gun was overbearing at times. It's balanced perfectly IMO.
A nerf would have brought a similar amount of crying. 
Besides, I agree with you, the gun is balanced and didn't deserve it.
The harrier? Really bad UR. Give me the Eagle any time (Almost identical damage per shot, more ammo). Seriously sick of hearing how OMGBS the Harrier is, it's not, it is garbage above Bronze. It is one of the best mook killers in the game, and that's about it. It will take your ENTIRE RESERVE AMMO to kill one boss unit. You get ALMOST as much damage out of the entire reserve ammo of the Avenger. (18k vs 20k, vs gold+ armour).
EDIT: For comparison, Lancer is 10k/clip, Typhoon is about 50k for all reserve ammo, and Spitfire is 22k clip/100k for all reserve ammo)
I guess that you don't have it at 10, because maxed it's a great all-around gun. The damage of the total ammo reserve of a gun isn't of much interest in terms of pratical use, what really matters is the damage of a single burst / clip, as what you want is to get the enemies dying quickly. There are ammo boxes (that on most maps you can visit while rushing from spawn to spawn) and you have thermal clips, so in most cases the Harrier's low ammo capacity isn't such a big issue. I find it to be a concern only for solos and eventually plat team games on Condor or Dagger Hazard.
Without going into details - that's how the game is to be played and what sets it apart from most shooters...
Yes, it is. But just because I can topscore gold with an Avenger Adept it doesn't make Avenger an overpowered gun. My point is that the Harrier is not the Godgun everybody claims that it is, just because it can kill a boss or two with powers backing it up before it runs out of ammo, every gun in the game can do that. As nothing more than a gun, without the backup of the powers, it is VERY lacking on anything that isn't a mook.
You Tube will register the views, even here.
A nerf would have brought a similar amount of crying.
I guess that you don't have it at 10, because maxed it's a great all-around gun. The damage of the total ammo reserve of a gun isn't of much interest in terms of pratical use, what really matters is the damage of a single burst / clip, as what you want is to get the enemies dying quickly. There are ammo boxes (that on most maps you can visit while rushing from spawn to spawn) and you have thermal clips, so in most cases the Harrier's low ammo capacity isn't such a big issue. I find it to be a concern only for solos and eventually plat team games on Condor or Dagger Hazard.
Or, geez, I don't have a specific UR at 10, so my opinion on it doesn't matter. You want Burst DPS? Try the Saber. Headshot after Headshot with enough base damage that a headshot multiplier actually means something. Even if you suck at headshots, it's still 10k/clip, 50k reserve.
You seem to use the scope rather a lot, which is not something I've seen regularly, if ever. It's not one of the ARs I would normally consider as being able to sacrifice a mod slot in that way. I also have to confess I was thinking along the same lines as Arkhne with regard to the rather obvious powers contributing to your boss kills. As Catastrophy says, yes, that is the way the game is played, but in a showcase video specifically for a weapon, they were rather obviously required to help with the job. There's also a scene where a teammate gets stomped, which probably wouldn't have happened with several better guns than the Harrier.
That's all meant as an attempt at helpful, constructive criticism.
My BatSent is the only character I seem to use it on nowadays, because of his extra ammo evolutions.
You seem to use the scope rather a lot, which is not something I've seen regularly, if ever. It's not one of the ARs I would normally consider as being able to sacrifice a mod slot in that way. I also have to confess I was thinking along the same lines as Arkhne with regard to the rather obvious powers contributing to your boss kills. As Catastrophy says, yes, that is the way the game is played, but in a showcase video specifically for a weapon, they were rather obviously required to help with the job. There's also a scene where a teammate gets stomped, which probably wouldn't have happened with several better guns than the Harrier.
That's all meant as an attempt at helpful, constructive criticism.
My BatSent is the only character I seem to use it on nowadays, because of his extra ammo evolutions.
My BatSent also uses it, with a CSMG sidearm. I also use it on the Demolisher because of Supply Pylon. And that's it, I just can't justify it anywhere else. I'm not even entirely happy with it on those classes, but if I didn't use it there, I wouldn't use it anywhere, and then what is the point of having it?
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My BatSent is the only character I seem to use it on nowadays, because of his extra ammo evolutions.
That's what I do, too. Send in the Batarians. Also it ususally goes like this: "Prrt*splotch*...Prrt*splotch*...Prrt*splotch*" in the early waves and later it's pretty much "Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt".
I wouldn't use a scope either. It's detrimental to my awareness and there's usually better options. Only time I use scope is when I'd like to do cover piercing with the thermal one.
The harrier? Really bad UR. Give me the Eagle any time (Almost identical damage per shot, more ammo). Seriously sick of hearing how OMGBS the Harrier is, it's not, it is garbage above Bronze. It is one of the best mook killers in the game, and that's about it. It will take your ENTIRE RESERVE AMMO to kill one boss unit. You get ALMOST as much damage out of the entire reserve ammo of the Avenger. (18k vs 20k, vs gold+ armour).
EDIT: For comparison, Lancer is 10k/clip, Typhoon is about 50k for all reserve ammo, and Spitfire is 22k clip/100k for all reserve ammo)
According to this link : https://docs.google....10&widget=false the harrier is the second dps in the game behind the reegar : it does 908 dps versus 582 for the eagle (with the reload cancel)
Or, geez, I don't have a specific UR at 10, so my opinion on it doesn't matter. You want Burst DPS? Try the Saber. Headshot after Headshot with enough base damage that a headshot multiplier actually means something. Even if you suck at headshots, it's still 10k/clip, 50k reserve.
That's a paranoid way to interpret what I said, that you use to divert attention from the rest of the post.
Anyway, saying that the Harrier is "garbage above bronze" and suggesting that the Avenger is on par with it is absurd, whatever the level of your Harrier.
EDIT: For comparison, Lancer is 10k/clip, Typhoon is about 50k for all reserve ammo, and Spitfire is 22k clip/100k for all reserve ammo)
Total damage per clip isn't the most useful metric for weapons with fast reload.
The harrier? Really bad UR. Give me the Eagle any time (Almost identical damage per shot, more ammo). Seriously sick of hearing how OMGBS the Harrier is, it's not, it is garbage above Bronze. It is one of the best mook killers in the game, and that's about it. It will take your ENTIRE RESERVE AMMO to kill one boss unit. You get ALMOST as much damage out of the entire reserve ammo of the Avenger. (18k vs 20k, vs gold+ armour).
EDIT: For comparison, Lancer is 10k/clip, Typhoon is about 50k for all reserve ammo, and Spitfire is 22k clip/100k for all reserve ammo)
As first glance I fear you're trolling. I'll take your statements point by point.
The harrier? Really bad UR. Give me the Eagle any time (Almost identical damage per shot, more ammo).
Based on Kalence, both at level X no passives or amps, Harrier does 130 damage per bullet while Eagle does 108, with Harrier having 20 in the clip and Eagle having 24. That comes out to Harrier having 2600 damage per clip and Eagle has 2592, so yes per clip is very similar. But the Harrier fires much faster at 550 rpm as opposed to the Eagle at 400, so the rate at which the damage is dealt is much much higher with the Harrier.
it is garbage above Bronze. It is one of the best mook killers in the game, and that's about it. It will take your ENTIRE RESERVE AMMO to kill one boss unit. You get ALMOST as much damage out of the entire reserve ammo of the Avenger. (18k vs 20k, vs gold+ armour).
Cannot disagree more. It's a monster on all difficulties. And seeing as how all the really good players in this game know the easiest way to beat it is to kill all the mooks and then finish the bosses, having a mook killing weapon is amazing. Also, it doesn't exactly hurt against bosses. And your comment about reserve ammo doesn't make much sense, since there are ammo boxes all over the place, plus you have thermal clip packs. I never have any issues with the ammo with the Harrier. The only way I see you having ammo issues is if you camp in an area that doesn't have an ammo box, which again, if you're doing that you need to learn to play differently (I think saying play better is a little rude and condescending).
EDIT: For comparison, Lancer is 10k/clip, Typhoon is about 50k for all reserve ammo, and Spitfire is 22k clip/100k for all reserve ammo)
Again, the amount of damage a gun can deal with all the ammo you can carry for it isn't a good way to compare weapons at all, since the main thing that matters is how fast that damage can get put out. For example, if the Predator pistol had 999 reserve ammo, would you say it does more damage than the Eagle, just because if both guns shot all their bullets the Predator would've done more damage, even though the Eagle would've gotten all of it's bullets out in much less time? Ammo boxes make spare ammo arguments kind of pointless.
Its good on the TGI. Ever try that?
I like Lancer TGI more.
So, i have made two weapondemonstration videos and here is another one. This time its the Harriers turn. I am certain alot of you like this weapon as i do! In previous videos i havent claimed so strongly that its one of the really good weapons in the game. With this one i do.
I hope you like the video and please comment on the choice of weapon.
If its not too much to ask please watch the video on youtube. I akm not sure if i will get a look if seen in this thread:)
Did you just buy this game?
I haven't used the Harrier for a long time. My favorite weapon but second only to the Reegar for cheesiness.
I normally don't watch vids, but I was eating my protein meal after a hot sweaty workout, so had to be entertained somehow. So thanks. Your like is in the mail.
Also, the Harrier, the more testosterone gifted you are... just remember so shave your back. Greasy chest hair is fine.
Or, geez, I don't have a specific UR at 10, so my opinion on it doesn't matter. You want Burst DPS? Try the Saber. Headshot after Headshot with enough base damage that a headshot multiplier actually means something. Even if you suck at headshots, it's still 10k/clip, 50k reserve.
I am 90% sure I know who's alt account this is.
Interesting video, never really seen anyone use the scope on the Harrier before.
It's not the best mod for it, but a different way to play it which is always a good thing.
Can't help but smile a bit over the arguments that the Harrier is a bad UR, 99,99% of all the people ever to play the game would rather claim it's OP and broken......
Was going to say something about the scope. But decided to leave it to someone who would word it better. Nice job.
Did you just buy this game?
I bought the game when it came out but i played only the single player campaign. I tried multiplayer for the first time a little more than a year back.
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