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[Guitar-Hero]

DAI did not have anything close to competition with the same level of anticipation as Halo 5 and Fallout 4.

Or the witcher or mgs 5 for that matter. Shadow of Mordor was good though

[Mr.House]

Really? After all this time, and this is what you come at me with?

1. KotoR was an original IP set in Lucas' universe. It predates all of the movies by around 3300 years. The MMO takes place 300 years after KotoR, but 3000 years before the movies. Let's compare shall we? Is Geralt an orginal character set in the universe, or was he the protagonist from the books? Oh, he's the protagonist in the books, and all the main storyline from the games comes directly from the books? I can see how you'd be confused on that point.

2. Baldur's Gate was an original story also set in a familiar setting. However, since you want to try to claim "but it was a copy/paste job", go ahead and link me to the novels that tell the story set up in BG 1/2. I'll wait.

I don't know why I expected something relevant to anything to come from a Witcher spamboy, but really, you could have done a lot better than trying to throw out some hyperbole thinking to baffle me with bullshit. While we're on this however, I'm betting that CDPR was glad as hell that BW developed BG and ultimately NWN, because they used the Aurora Engine to make TW, and guess where that engine came from: BioWare.

I can tell you've never played TW games as each game has an original story that was not in the books simply uses characters and the setting from the book. Just because  BG, NWN  and KOTOR alloyed you to play a new character really means nothing as it is still in a pre existing series with BG and NWN using said series established rule sets. The first game was also the only to use Biowares engine, 2 and 3 use CDPRs own engine and by your logic, DAI would not exist if it was not for DICE.

 

And no it's not a "familiar setting" BG, NWN and KOTOR where set in a pre existing setting, but nope, BIoware gets away with what but CDPR does not.

[chrstnmonks]

Really? After all this time, and this is what you come at me with?

1. KotoR was an original IP set in Lucas' universe. It predates all of the movies by around 3300 years. The MMO takes place 300 years after KotoR, but 3000 years before the movies. Let's compare shall we? Is Geralt an orginal character set in the universe, or was he the protagonist from the books? Oh, he's the protagonist in the books, and all the main storyline from the games comes directly from the books? I can see how you'd be confused on that point.

2. Baldur's Gate was an original story also set in a familiar setting. However, since you want to try to claim "but it was a copy/paste job", go ahead and link me to the novels that tell the story set up in BG 1/2. I'll wait.

I don't know why I expected something relevant to anything to come from a Witcher spamboy, but really, you could have done a lot better than trying to throw out some hyperbole thinking to baffle me with bullshit. While we're on this however, I'm betting that CDPR was glad as hell that BW developed BG and ultimately NWN, because they used the Aurora Engine to make TW, and guess where that engine came from: BioWare.

https://en.wikipedia...e_Avatar_Series. Here you go the books that pretty much setup BG1&2.

Also, Witcher games are inspired by the books but not copy pasted. 

Who cares what engine they used to make Witcher 1? Not even importnant.

[JeffZero]

Why should I care about the Witcher here?

 

Post of the Year.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

Yes it is important, they used an upgraded enginge made by BioWare and pushed it to the limits making a wolrd way better than in DAO DA2 and ME series. Some noob studio from middle of nowhere making its first game, did something that BioWAre coulndt beat with most of its games made years after its realese. I think it is important in showing how low have BioWare got from beeing a respected comany making games for players to another Ubisoft or Activision making money on hype, and sacraficing gameplay experience for the sake of their war against awfull pirates who consist mostly of ppl who simply woulnd play the game in the first place because they cant afford it. GOTY my ass XD

[Majestic Jazz]

Wait, DAO and DAI get one but the ME series doesn't have a single GOTY edition? I understand why DA2 never got one because low sales but it never made sense why the other series never gets this deal.

Mass Effect had the ME Trilogy edition which is essentially the GOTY edition for Mass Effect since it includes all the DLC.

[Elhanan]

Mass Effect had the ME Trilogy edition which is essentially the GOTY edition for Mass Effect since it includes all the DLC.

Not quite; it has the DLC for the first game, and some for the second one, but perhaps not all, and none for the third if I recall correctly.

[JeffZero]

You recall correctly.

[NKnight7]

If I remember I think the PS3 version of the Trilogy came with the most DLC, and I think Xbox had the lowest but I can't remember for sure. For me personally I'm not getting the GOTY edition, a new version of Inquisition isn't too much nowadays and it's even cheaper if you're not interested in every DLC.

[Mr.House]

Yes it is important, they used an upgraded enginge made by BioWare and pushed it to the limits making a wolrd way better than in DAO DA2 and ME series. Some noob studio from middle of nowhere making its first game, did something that BioWAre coulndt beat with most of its games made years after its realese. I think it is important in showing how low have BioWare got from beeing a respected comany making games for players to another Ubisoft or Activision making money on hype, and sacraficing gameplay experience for the sake of their war against awfull pirates who consist mostly of ppl who simply woulnd play the game in the first place because they cant afford it. GOTY my ass XD

ME series didn't use the DAO/DA2 engine.

 

DAO was also better as the only thing TW had over it was the story, world design and antagonist,

[mrmike_1949]

Interesting, considering that DA2 has never had an ultimate edition, or lowered the price on the dlc (and I didn't buy ANY of DA2 dlc!). I may buy this once price gets down to ~ $25, since I already have main game, and would buy just be buying for dlc

[PIT_DEFENDER]

 

ME series didn't use the DAO/DA2 engine.

 

Doesnt change the fact the wrold in TW was still better.

 

 

 
DAO was also better as the only thing TW had over it was the story, world design and antagonist,

 

Oh my only stroy world design and antagonist? just these three totaly not curcial elemets ? Also you have to say Imerrson was immensly better. Oh and characters were pretty much at same level at that time. The only thing DAO rly had that stood out was combat system. And lets not forget DAO was released 2 years leater.

 

And instead of trying to catch up to them, BW figured theyll join EA and make money using their fame and cheap resurces.

 

Dont take me wrong, I am complaining here because I care, if youd tell me that Pacman deserves GOTY over GTA5 Id just say ok, its your choice I culnd care less.

But i like series BW created and it pains me that theyr beeing turned into cheap crap like COD or AC. Those series woulnd be where they are withou fans, and we shouldnt be paying and cheering and rewarding Devs for trying to trick us into buying something that doesnt work. Thye know themslefs that DAI is a game theyd play but they woulnd rly pay for it cause half of it not even finished.

[Aulis Vaara]

You know, **** the GOTY edition, I still want them to fix their damn story. Enhanced edition or gtfo.

That's bit much. One successful game doesn't guarantee the future.

One successful trilogy*

[Elhanan]

Doesnt change the fact the wrold in TW was still better....

That is not a fact; only an opinion, and an apparently biased one at that.

[Majestic Jazz]

You know, **** the GOTY edition, I still want them to fix their damn story. Enhanced edition or gtfo.


One successful trilogy*

What about the story that you did not like or needs fixing?

[robertthebard]

To be fair, The Witcher games are not copy & paste of the novels. While all 3 games uses the chracters, lore, and settings from the novels, the stories in the game takes place AFTER the events in the books. They are spiritual sequels to the novels with their own unique stories that are self contained.

Besides, what point are you trying to make? TW3 is a major hit both critcally and financially. I could careless if it is an original IP or not. I care wheter or not the gameplay is fun, open world is immersive, side quest are interesting, graphics are immersive, and story is good. To me, thats all that matters and for the 1st six weeks of its launch, thats all that mattered to the 6 million people that bought TW3 and thats all that mattered to the professional reviewers who gave TW3 higher review scores than DAI.

You may not be bullish on TW3 or CDPR and thats fine. But you are digging for reasons to discredit CDPR and their success with TW3 because it isnt "their own" IP and frankly it makes you look desperate. At the end of the day, I doubt the average owner of TW3 or fan of CDPR really cares.

I guess if you really wanted to know what point I was making, you'd have read then entirety of the exchange. It's not like you had to change pages to see what was said. Instead, your "Oh noes, must defend the witcher" radar went off, and here we are...

Amd your point? I never said that everyone hates DAI or that nobody plays DAI anymore. I only said that it isnt as popular now as it was before because the novelty of being the 1st and only AAA next gen RPG has worn off and with games like TW3 out (and its 2 upcoming expansions) as well as Fallout 4 coming in NOV, the lure of DAI isnt as strong as it once was and thus releasing the DAI GOTY Edition in the same timeframe as The Witcher 3: Hearts of Stone and Fallout 4 could prove to be a financial failure for EA as gamers will now have other options, options that werent available in Nov 2014 when DAI 1st came out.

...and if they opt to release the expansion at the same time as the next FO title, are you going to be over there telling them that that might be a mistake, since the novelty will have worn off? Do you sincerely believe that anyone that's inclined to buy the GotY edition won't because FO or an expansion to TW is coming out? Personally, I don't know anyone that only plays one game. Not even my MMO cliques play one game, most of us have been playing multiple MMOs sometimes at the same time.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

 

 

...and if they opt to release the expansion at the same time as the next FO title, are you going to be over there telling them that that might be a mistake, since the novelty will have worn off? Do you sincerely believe that anyone that's inclined to buy the GotY edition won't because FO or an expansion to TW is coming out? Personally, I don't know anyone that only plays one game. Not even my MMO cliques play one game, most of us have been playing multiple MMOs sometimes at the same time.

 

Never the less one would be very stupid to pay for DAI, not to mention to pay for GOTY which contains mainly the exact stuff that makes everyoen complain about DAI xD

 

I just watched someones opinion on the internet saying, boycoting games by not buying them, only hurts the Devs and donest change a thing.

I agree if your talking about smalll studios who just started. But when it omes to proffesionals who found a way to earn more money by making games that are crappy.,, well servers them right! Say worst case secenarion no1 buys the next dragon age and bioware gets dssolved. What do they do? they get the lads together they go to kickstarer and they say look wer from bioware wed like to make you a game that will be fully playable if you wish to sponsor it. And Bobs your uncle good prevails, Devs get their salaries sorted, Players get a proper game, and the empire of evil looks at looses on one of their stupid charts and fire some CEO ******* whos only connection to PC games is the fact it funds his house in Hawaii.

[Elhanan]

Was not aware that Bioware had a game entitled Electr; will have to look that one up right away....

A fact is that DAI was awarded GOTY 2014, and now we will be able to get the entirety of it at one time.

[Majestic Jazz]

I guess if you really wanted to know what point I was making, you'd have read then entirety of the exchange. It's not like you had to change pages to see what was said. Instead, your "Oh noes, must defend the witcher" radar went off, and here we are...

Defending Witcher? I was just calling out your ignorance that CDPR copied and pasted everything from the novels to make their 3 games which as I and others have pointed out was not the case.

But hey, at least you tried.

[Majestic Jazz]

I don't know anyone that only plays one game.

You would be surprised. Not everyone has similar lives or schedules as you do. Many people would only stick with one game until they finish it, especially games like TW3, DAI and FO4 which can last for 100+ hours. And yes this does dictate people's purchasing decisions and yes even Hearts of Stone will be negatively effected by the release of FO4.

[robertthebard]

Defending Witcher? I was just calling out your ignorance that CDPR copied and pasted everything from the novels to make their 3 games which as I and others have pointed out was not the case.

But hey, at least you tried.

So, if you're not defending the Witcher, what difference does my perception of the game make? It matters a great deal to you, evidently, because here you are, yet again, defending it, right? If you're going to say no, what was the point of this tangent again? "But, that's not how the Witcher goes, and I must correct you" isn't defending the Witcher? Defending must mean something very different where you're from, yes?

[robertthebard]

You would be surprised. Not everyone has similar lives or schedules as you do. Many people would only stick with one game until they finish it, especially games like TW3, DAI and FO4 which can last for 100+ hours. And yes this does dictate people's purchasing decisions and yes even Hearts of Stone will be negatively effected by the release of FO4.

Ding ding ding: We have a winner. So quit being surprised that everyone isn't going to jump on the next newly released game then? Quit trying to justify slamming one over another because of your peronsal preferences. I have 30 games installed on this rig, including 5 MMOs. Guess what, none of the Fall Out games are here. I don't have any Halo games either, nor do I have TW3, because after the first two, which are installed here, I didn't let them trick me into spending any money on it.

I'll just leave this here. Where are you pulling your numbers from, again?

[Majestic Jazz]

So, if you're not defending the Witcher, what difference does my perception of the game make? It matters a great deal to you, evidently, because here you are, yet again, defending it, right? If you're going to say no, what was the point of this tangent again? "But, that's not how the Witcher goes, and I must correct you" isn't defending the Witcher? Defending must mean something very different where you're from, yes?

I just had to fact check you. You implied that the Witcher trilogy is a copy and paste of the novels which arent the case. The games takes place after the events of the novels and short stories and are self contained from the novels.

I just couldnt let you get away with that.

[Al Foley]

Can't CDPR and BioWare fans ever agree?  They are both amazing companies and DA and TW 3 are pillars of storytelling.  And gaming.  I think.  *still have yet to finish the latter*

[Majestic Jazz]

Can't CDPR and BioWare fans ever agree? They are both amazing companies and DA and TW 3 are pillars of storytelling. And gaming. I think. *still have yet to finish the latter*

I am both Bioware and CDPR fan. I am just irked at the product that DAI turned out to be. I hated the departure of cinematics as well as the lack of immersive zones as well as poor quality side quest and finally the "tell not show" style narrative.

I pray MEA is nothing like DAI and that if there is a DAr, then it to is nothing like DAI. But by now, I am fully confident that Bioware knows of these concerns.