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[Al Foley]

I am both Bioware and CDPR fan.

sometimes its hard not to get caught up in the mud slinging, and ust watch the poo fling back and forth over ones head as one is sighing and just finishing up the Witcher. 

[robertthebard]

I just had to fact check you. You implied that the Witcher trilogy is a copy and paste of the novels which arent the case. The games takes place after the events of the novels and short stories and are self contained from the novels.

I just couldnt let you get away with that.

I'll just point out what that means: Yes, Rob, I'm defending The Witcher. I have my CDPR fanboy pants on, and I'm circling the wagons to keep your misinformation from spoiling my messiah game. Be prepared for me to go to any lengths in order to do that, including half baked logic of "People can't buy another game until they finish the one they're currently on".

Just so we're clear, I understand perfectly, I've been watching you do it for months.

[Majestic Jazz]

sometimes its hard not to get caught up in the mud slinging, and ust watch the poo fling back and forth over ones head as one is sighing and just finishing up the Witcher.

Well I hope you enjoy your experience. DAI vs TW3 asside, TW3 is a good game as justified by the user/professional review scores. If there was something that I hope Bioware takes away from TW3 is how to have a more immersive open world, better side quest, and better hair.

For CDPR, hopefully they look into more character customization like Bioware and Bethesda games. We shall see with Cyberpunk 2077.

[Al Foley]

Well I hope you enjoy your experience. DAI vs TW3 asside, TW3 is a good game as justified by the user/professional review scores. If there was something that I hope Bioware takes away from TW3 is how to have a more immersive open world, better side quest, and better hair.

For CDPR, hopefully they look into more character customization like Bioware and Bethesda games. We shall see with Cyberpunk 2077.

Not a must buy at this point, I tend to get a bit weary of the word 'punk' in fictional conexts.

[Elhanan]

I am both Bioware and CDPR fan. I am just irked at the product that DAI turned out to be. I hated the departure of cinematics as well as the lack of immersive zones as well as poor quality side quest and finally the "tell not show" style narrative.

I pray MEA is nothing like DAI and that if there is a DAr, then it to is nothing like DAI. But by now, I am fully confident that Bioware knows of these concerns.

You may like some Bioware games, but a fan? And folks wonder why the Devs do not post here more often....

I prefer RP to watching interactive movies. If one cannot bother to read the entries, that is their call. I skip many or most of the Codex entries myself; almost always do, but that is my choice. I certainly do not want another inserted film to explain what the entry already mentioned, and then complaining about a lack of content that is extant in the game.

If one has to resort to the virtual example of a pop-up book for entertainment, then perhaps skipping novels might be a good idea.

[Al Foley]

You may like some Bioware games, but a fan? And folks wonder why the Devs do not post here more often....

I prefer RP to watching interactive movies. If one cannot bother to read the entries, that is their call. I skip many or most of the Codex entries myself; almost always do, but that is my choice. I certainly do not want another inserted film to explain what the entry already mentioned, and then complaining about a lack of content that is extant in the game.

If one has to resort to the virtual example of a pop-up book for entertainment, then perhaps skipping novels might be a good idea.

TW 3 is a virtual pop up book?

[KaiserShep]

You may like some Bioware games, but a fan? And folks wonder why the Devs do not post here more often....I prefer RP to watching interactive movies. If one cannot bother to read the entries, that is their call. I skip many or most of the Codex entries myself; almost always do, but that is my choice. I certainly do not want another inserted film to explain what the entry already mentioned, and then complaining about a lack of content that is extant in the game.If one has to resort to the virtual example of a pop-up book for entertainment, then perhaps skipping novels might be a good idea.

To be fair here, the cinematic in question are for dialogue sequences, so little is really changed except for the presentation of the character interaction.

[Elhanan]

TW 3 is a virtual pop up book?

Don't know as I do not play it, but a game that is so full of cut-scenes and movies that the Player watches more than they play seems to be.

Trespasser DLC had more cut-scenes than the norm, but most were either main Quest or Companion related. For myself, this is the current methodology I enjoy. I can even take more cut-scenes for transitions and story telling purposes. But when they appear for so many quests and events that it can simply be watched as a vid elsewhere, my own tendency is to pass.

ME3 is about the extreme that I will endure, and even then find myself wandering away to the kitchen during some of the lengthier 'commercials' after seeing them a few times already.

[Fearsome1]

Despite having originally prepurchased the Inquisitors Edition with all of the cool stuff, I considered buying this edition just to have a physical copy of the related dlc. Since it has been clarified that none of that is present and all of the dlc will still have to be downloaded, I really have to wonder just WTF is the point of this edition?

 

A graphic extolling it as the GOTY on the cover seems to be the only draw!

[ArianaGBSA]

Don't know as I do not play it, but a game that is so full of cut-scenes and movies that the Player watches more than they play seems to be.

Trespasser DLC had more cut-scenes than the norm, but most were either main Quest or Companion related. For myself, this is the current methodology I enjoy. I can even take more cut-scenes for transitions and story telling purposes. But when they appear for so many quests and events that it can simply be watched as a vid elsewhere, my own tendency is to pass.

ME3 is about the extreme that I will endure, and even then find myself wandering away to the kitchen during some of the lengthier 'commercials' after seeing them a few times already.

Some players want exactly that... I mean more watching than playing
Again, the biggest problem for me is not the game being good or bad, is not having an identity
I wanted a franchise I could stick to, so I like cutscenes game have cutscenes or does not, I can deal with that, but each game with different features and focus it is impossible to like "the franchise", which sucks since the story of DAverse is a continuity, so I never know when the gameplay will be bearable enough for me to follow the story. Well, after DAI I know, it defined itself as 140% action 0% RPG game, so now I know what I'm dealing with, but before DAI it was impossible to know

For other people the lack of identity will continue, for people that do not hate action, or do not hate exploration, and will play the next game because next game is going to have changes again and a lot of these changes will make people who loved DAI hate the game... and that's the problem, a franchise without identity will always have a changing playerbase and will always have haters, I mean, more than a regular franchise, I played KOF 94~XIII and there were a LOT of changes but the identity was the same. BG~BG2~IWD~IWD2 had an identity too. Of course people hated changes in those games too but yu can't even compare, DA series are 3 completely different games, with complete different focus, and combat have simmilarities between DAO and DA2, but DAI is a complete different gameplay.

[Elhanan]

For myself, prefer the combat speed and pacing of DAI over the previous two games, though contend that DAO > DAI > DA2. And I enjoy them all, changes and all.

As for those that want to watch films, let them, but hope that Bioware continues to focus on the RP aspects.

[ArianaGBSA]

For myself, prefer the combat speed and pacing of DAI over the previous two games, though contend that DAO > DAI > DA2. And I enjoy them all, changes and all.

As for those that want to watch films, let them, but hope that Bioware continues to focus on the RP aspects.

No problem with different preferences but if they keep changing next game might be better for me and worse for you, and the next change again. For you, and everybody else in these boards it seems, that have a broad "pleasing range" it is ok, but for people like me with very specific tastes is a matter of love or hate. Changes are ok, I've gone through many, like I said The King of Fighters franchise, most people quit after 98, another bunch after 2002, I loved them all. Same with Mortal Kombat, I kept loving even through PS2 games that most people despise. RPGs well, from BG (even before BG with other companies) to DA2, there were a lot of different games right? And I was ok with that much changes. Also with JRPG from Final Fantasy I to XII (I hate XIII and its sequels) and Dragon Quest I to IX (never played X), I loved them all.

But DAO/2 to DAI is different it is an effective change of gameplay and game focus. Through Final Fantasy I to XII there were a huge ****** lot of changes but I still choose option in menus to battle. Sometimes like in FFVIII I had to trigger extra damage through precise timing but nothing serious. Same with Street Fighter from I to V I can still play a 2D fighting game (even in modern 3D graphics) with hadouken and shoryukens. But DAO and DA2 are nothing like Inquisition, not in the style of interaction with NPCs, not with characte development, not with combat gameplay, not in exploration... I don't even know if these games share anything.

So, as ou said in the end of your post "hope that Bioware continues...", all we can have with this franchise is hope because nothing is stabilished at all. Nothing have a style, not even the writting, not as a whole. You can't say "Dragon Age is..." unless you specify one game in the series, and chances are you sentence will hold false for the other two games, specially if you are talking about Inquisition.

[JeffZero]

Part of why I love ME3 is precisely because it has so much cinematic content. I am all about that. Always.

That written, this sometimes led to grievous amounts of auto-dialogue, and I do love that DAI moved wayward of that.

[AlanC9]

But DAO and DA2 are nothing like Inquisition, not in the style of interaction with NPCs, not with characte development, not with combat gameplay, not in exploration... I don't even know if these games share anything.

 

I don't follow the italed.

[Elhanan]

A love for telling stories is what unifies the DA series; not gameplay and mechanics. Personally like the choice of priorities.

[Majestic Jazz]

You may like some Bioware games, but a fan? And folks wonder why the Devs do not post here more often....

I prefer RP to watching interactive movies. If one cannot bother to read the entries, that is their call. I skip many or most of the Codex entries myself; almost always do, but that is my choice. I certainly do not want another inserted film to explain what the entry already mentioned, and then complaining about a lack of content that is extant in the game.

If one has to resort to the virtual example of a pop-up book for entertainment, then perhaps skipping novels might be a good idea.

1) I became interested in Bioware since KOTOR followed by: JE, ME trilogy, DAO, DA2, and SWTOR. Just cause I am critical of their work does not make me any less of a fan. I am a fan of the Carolina Panthers, so does that mean I cannot criticize their draft pick decisions or their coaches idea of going for the 4th down conversion instead of the field goal? Blind loyalty is not a pre-req for being a fan of something.

2) Beyond 2 Souls is an interactive movie. Mass Effect is a videogame with cinematics. By your dedinition, SWTOR is an interactive movie.

[Elhanan]

@ MJ - While some may see criticism, I see a continued desire for the company to do poorly. While some may see criticism, I see loathing and disrespect. Of course, this is only my own opinion, but I am guessing that I am not alone in it.

And ME3 is the closest to a interactive film event that I have encountered from Bioware. In fact, I am on the record as comparing DAI to SWTOR, so that kinda nullifies this new 'observation'.

[CrabbyCrackers]

Despite having originally prepurchased the Inquisitors Edition with all of the cool stuff, I considered buying this edition just to have a physical copy of the related dlc. Since it has been clarified that none of that is present and all of the dlc will still have to be downloaded, I really have to wonder just WTF is the point of this edition?

 

A graphic extolling it as the GOTY on the cover seems to be the only draw!

 I  was going to buy it so i could have a hard copy of dlc also, but then i heard this to, so there is no point in me getting a game i already own.

[Majestic Jazz]

@ MJ - While some may see criticism, I see a continued desire for the company to do poorly. While some may see criticism, I see loathing and disrespect. Of course, this is only my own opinion, but I am guessing that I am not alone in it.

And ME3 is the closest to a interactive film event that I have encountered from Bioware. In fact, I am on the record as comparing DAI to SWTOR, so that kinda nullifies this new 'observation'.

So I hated DAI and I criticize it a lot, so what? That does not make me any less of a Bioware fan than those who love DAI. I do not have to be a blind fanboy who cannot judge Bioware. It is sort of an elitist act to say someone isnt a fan because they do not enjoy a particular product. You dont see me criticizing ME trilogy, MEA, or even SWTOR now do you? In fact some would call me a ME fanboy and at the SWTOR forums I am constantly defending Bioware's decision to focus more on story/cinematics in the Knights of the Fallen Empire expansion. However here I do put down Bioware's efforts with DAI but that doesnt not equate to me hating Bioware and wanting to see them fail. Sort of an illogical observation if you ask me.

[Elhanan]

So I hated DAI and I criticize it a lot, so what? That does not make me any less of a Bioware fan than those who love DAI. I do not have to be a blind fanboy who cannot judge Bioware. It is sort of an elitist act to say someone isnt a fan because they do not enjoy a particular product. You dont see me criticizing ME trilogy, MEA, or even SWTOR now do you? In fact some would call me a ME fanboy and at the SWTOR forums I am constantly defending Bioware's decision to focus more on story/cinematics in the Knights of the Fallen Empire expansion. However here I do put down Bioware's efforts with DAI but that doesnt not equate to me hating Bioware and wanting to see them fail. Sort of an illogical observation if you ask me.

Convince yourself, if you are able, but your past diatribes speak for themselves. Thankfully, there are more real fans out here.

[Majestic Jazz]

Convince yourself, if you are able, but your past diatribes speak for themselves. Thankfully, there are more real fans out here.

Lol what an elitist. Who are you to dictate who are fans of Bioware or not? Or what the critera is to be a "real fan" ? Again, I do not have to be a brown noser or support EVERY decision that a company makes to be considered a fan. And what is it about my past? You mean the last 10 months of me dogging DAI or the last 12 years of me being a core supporter of Bioware even during times when people were dogging DA2 and ME3 as well as SWTOR back in 2012. Perhaps you should see what my opinions were for DAI prior to release and you would have a better picture but I guess that would contradict your claim that I am not a "real fan".

All you know is that I am not fond of DAI and I consider TW3 a better game. But dont act like because I believe Bioware slipped up with DAI that somehow that erases all my other support for Bioware in their past games and future games.

So yeah, you want to talk about past, then you better look at the whole body of work and not just the segments that you want to see or saw in the past few months.

But you know its all good though. Only I know what I am or am not. Just dont act like you know me because you dont, you really dont. I will continue to dog DAI just as I will continue to support SWTOR, MEA, New IP, and even DA4 if we get one.

But who am I fooling? I hate DAI do I guess I am not a "true" Bioware fan. Right?

[Elhanan]

Constructive crit may be helpful; lengthy conjecture describing the demise of those that made DAI is not. No real fan does this.

[Majestic Jazz]

Constructive crit may be helpful; lengthy conjecture describing the demise of those that made DAI is not. No real fan does this.

 

Quote me where I implied that Bioware should fail/burn because of DAI. I dare you to cause I know you cannot. I have said that Bioware got lucky with DAI because of the weak year that 2014 was for gaming and how it was a novelty product of being the first and only AAA next gen RPG to be released. I have also made comparisons to how I believe TW3 is not only a better game but more popular critically/financially, but again, how does this point to me describing the demise of Bioware because of DAI?

 

Simply put, you seem to enjoy DAI very much and is very fond of it and as a result, seems butthurt over the idea that I and others who heavily criticize DAI.

 

Again, who are you to define who a real fan is? Who are you supposed to be?

[sniper_arrow]

I'm planning to get this edition once I buy a PS4 soon (mine's PS3). Regardless of the criticisms towards the game (a few of which I actually agree), I still enjoyed it. Here's hoping Bioware will consider the constructive criticisms to make DA4 better.

[trevelyan_shep]

I'm so ready for FO4 to come out so people can stop talking about W3, such an overrated game.