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[Googleness]

A few kobolds showing up in a battle is not a large consequence. It's the same as my example about Leilianna's spies at the start of the game. 

 

The guild is a few short boring quests with no interesting content. It's not "the rest of the game". Similar the Mages/Templars, which affects what villains and quests you get later.

 

I was talking about how Bull betrays you, but the others can leave you if they disagree with you. You can kill Blackwall. But that's more then can happen in these others games until the very end when you can just decide to go crazy evil and kill everyone. And before that end, everyone just blindly follows you no matter how you act.

 

To be clear - I'm not claiming Inquisition is amazing on this front, just that these other games you talk about don't do any better.

 

still I remembered it had some consequence and it was good example like the spies it's one of the first choices in the game.

 

About the guild \ guards,

you find it boring but it's entire different quest line - after that throughout the game if u chose guards or theives you meet different npcs and you got different choices like whose the knight at your vigil or how you got into blacklake etc...

 

you can pretty much kill or simply not recruit many npcs in those other games like iirc there is that sorcerer girl in NWN2 which you can give back to that wizard hunting her.

and as I've said no companion in inquisition beside that new combo with bull and the dlc is actually leaving the group or betraying you.

Blackwall is unique in the fact he just try to commit suicide against your will... it's not the usual betray me like Yoshimo from BG2.

 

and sure those are your opinions and I have mine this is what makes a good conversation.

 

 

1.No they don't. Samson's is apathetic but he is a Cory fan boy no matter what. And the quis if they done Calpernia quest clearly know she is not a fan of Cory and was a slave. She would not stand to be slaved agein.

 

2.Yes, that chapter, not the rest of the game. That's not new to bw game if a chatper of the game changes based on choice. it how it effect the rest of the game that's what people complain about. DAi has this already.

 

3. JE has you ether enslave your team or kill of your team to be Emperor. And I'm using DA2 as an example of game where most of your team can turn on you based on your choices.

 

4. Proof please.

 

 

1. I found them both pretty much the same. that's how I got it from the game and the story. issue of apples and oranges it's personal taste and how one player perceive something in the game.

 

2. Read what I wrote to the other dude above your quote^

 

3.  again I didn't speak about DA2, in DA2 actually it's either make them fully hate you or fully love you for that final turn on you which makes no sense.

if someone disagree with me to a point we are truly opposite it's just makes no sense for them to stand with me but this have nothing to do with inquisition which is the main issue here.

more so, you point about DA2 and companions which turns on you makes my point about Inquisition companions NOT turning on you more valid. thanks for that.

 

4. here is a thread I've opened back then about that gameplay of nightmare:

http://forum.bioware...re-rather-easy/

 

if you'll check my profile on origin you'll see I got the nightmare achievement.

and if it's really that important to you I'll reload that save and film the final boss battle.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Also, I wonder if this includes the free DLC (MP packs and Black Emporium)?

[robertthebard]

Now, now there are 3 witcher games which are in every aspect better than each of DA series. DOnt take me wrong I love DA series, but the quiality of producs developed by a Divison of EA( which youd consider a wealthy company) is lower than CDP's quaility, except for anti-piracy part ofcourse. The isssue is the quiality of important parts of game goes down DAO>DA2>DAI seriously combat in DA2 was awfull in comparsiont oquite entertaining DAO and in DAI its just totaly broken. And ofcourse they really need to add some interesting sidequests I think its really important. Rest is cosmetic but wed still like it see imroved.
Mhm Problem starts when you want to apply what u planned and u cant because oh wait THERE ANO TACTICS ingame xD Where did they go ?

Yes, the correct line should have been "creating one copy/pasted from someone else's novels game franchise does not a successful developer make". It's ironic, they made a game out of someone else's novels, using BioWare's engine, and they're the best thing since sliced bread...

I've said it before, but it bears repeating, let me know how their original IP goes, I wonder, is it adviseable to hold your breath while you wait?

[SomberXIII]

Also, I wonder if this includes the free DLC (MP packs and Black Emporium)?

They say "all story and gameplay contents" so these might count too.

[kann.nix9mm]

@leaguer of one & Googleness:

 

Irrelevant of how much you think certain quests, decisions and whatnot actually impact the game in a way that you can see it DA:I does nothing NWN2 did already. Case in point DA:I does at points less than NWN2 did before, i.e. going evil and saying **** all at the end for example.

DA:I came out eleven years after NWN2 and story telling wise, in terms of mechanics and much more it did not really improve in any significant way. Meaning we still don't have a world which actively changes because of your choices. I mean real changes and not some NPCs with different skins (Templar/Mages).

 

It's somewhat sad ...

[leaguer of one]

still I remembered it had some consequence and it was good example like the spies it's one of the first choices in the game.

 

About the guild \ guards,

you find it boring but it's entire different quest line - after that throughout the game if u chose guards or theives you meet different npcs and you got different choices like whose the knight at your vigil or how you got into blacklake etc...

 

you can pretty much kill or simply not recruit many npcs in those other games like iirc there is that sorcerer girl in NWN2 which you can give back to that wizard hunting her.

and as I've said no companion in inquisition beside that new combo with bull and the dlc is actually leaving the group or betraying you.

Blackwall is unique in the fact he just try to commit suicide against your will... it's not the usual betray me like Yoshimo from BG2.

 

and sure those are your opinions and I have mine this is what makes a good conversation.

 

 

 

 

1. I found them both pretty much the same. that's how I got it from the game and the story. issue of apples and oranges it's personal taste and how one player perceive something in the game.

 

2. Read what I wrote to the other dude above your quote^

 

3.  again I didn't speak about DA2, in DA2 actually it's either make them fully hate you or fully love you for that final turn on you which makes no sense.

if someone disagree with me to a point we are truly opposite it's just makes no sense for them to stand with me but this have nothing to do with inquisition which is the main issue here.

more so, you point about DA2 and companions which turns on you makes my point about Inquisition companions NOT turning on you more valid. thanks for that.

 

4. here is a thread I've opened back then about that gameplay of nightmare:

http://forum.bioware...re-rather-easy/

 

if you'll check my profile on origin you'll see I got the nightmare achievement.

and if it's really that important to you I'll reload that save and film the final boss battle.

1.But they are not. One flowing Cory because they want to be used and be valuble. The other Just want to be free and improve their home Countyr. They are nothing alike.

2.hat does not change my point. It's only for a chapter, other bw rpg do that and it has no effect on the rest of the game.

 

3.Actually, the companions in DAI can only leave or don't come back. Only 2 turn on you.

 

4. That's proof that you are using tactics.

[leaguer of one]

@leaguer of one & Googleness:

 

Irrelevant of how much you think certain quests, decisions and whatnot actually impact the game in a way that you can see it DA:I does nothing NWN2 did already. Case in point DA:I does at points less than NWN2 did before, i.e. going evil and saying **** all at the end for example.

DA:I came out eleven years after NWN2 and story telling wise, in terms of mechanics and much more it did not really improve in any significant way. Meaning we still don't have a world which actively changes because of your choices. I mean real changes and not some NPCs with different skins (Templar/Mages).

 

It's somewhat sad ...

But da is not about being good or evil. It's about you actions effecting the larger world. Sure, most action of one quest do not effect the other but it's the same with Nwn. And the options available need to make sense with the story

[azarhal]

I want Decent and Avaar....but I don't think I can justify spending so much for just 2 dlcs >_>

 

That really depends on the price which isn't mentioned and then there is always sales down the road where the GOTY will probably be cheaper than buying the DLCs individually. At least that's how it worked for all GOTY I bought in the last 5 years.

 

Also, I wonder if this includes the free DLC (MP packs and Black Emporium)?

 

Why wouldn't it have the free DLCs?

[Ryzaki]

That really depends on the price which isn't mentioned and then there is always sales down the road where the GOTY will probably be cheaper than buying the DLCs individually. At least that's how it worked for all GOTY I bought in the last 5 years.

 

I don't have my hopes high it'll be that much cheaper than 60. But true I can wait for a sale. I hope I don't end up having to redownload the whole damn thing again >_>

[Nixou]

That's most probably what Dirthamen looks like...

 

 

2018: players reach the final act where the Inquisitor and the new protagonist join ranks against Solas:

 

Inquisitor: Of course it had to be Bears.

[Googleness]

 

2.hat does not change my point. It's only for a chapter, other bw rpg do that and it has no effect on the rest of the game.

 

 

 

 

but it does, shame you don't read my post before you reply.

not only it affects that entire chapter but in further down the line when you are incriminated it affects how you become a knight of neverwinter...

it affects your trial

it affects how certain quests further down the line plays out and of course what your companions thinks about it (influence).

 

let's take different example...

 

BG2: SOA 

you side with the vampires or the thieves guild - or you didn't play BG2?

at any rate at some point each choice gives you a different thing.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

 

Yes, the correct line should have been "creating one copy/pasted from someone else's novels game franchise does not a successful developer make". It's ironic, they made a game out of someone else's novels, using BioWare's engine, and they're the best thing since sliced bread...

I've said it before, but it bears repeating, let me know how their original IP goes, I wonder, is it adviseable to hold your breath while you wait?

On the contrary, its not copy/pasted its based on it, content is written by their writers and IMO its better than what you get in books. Not to mention most adaptations suck and their is very good.

 

Anyways No1 compared stories, just overall quiality its like GTA4 > Saints Row 3.

IE: Using Biowares Engine they made a better looking envoirment in 2007 game than Bioware did in DAO 2009 which look like morrowind xD

 

And besides I am mainly upset because BioWare joined the Empire of Evil and is now making crappier games rather than improoving, the only thing that improves is the price. Did you play the DLC's ? its a discgreace...

[Fiery Phoenix]

Why wouldn't it have the free DLCs?

The only DLC specifically mentioned is the three story pieces and the item packs, which is all the paid DLC the game received. So it kind of leaves the question open as to what that means for the free DLC. Nonetheless, I do expect the free stuff to be included.

[leaguer of one]

but it does, shame you don't read my post before you reply.

not only it affects that entire chapter but in further down the line when you are incriminated it affects how you become a knight of neverwinter...

it affects your trial

it affects how certain quests further down the line plays out and of course what your companions thinks about it (influence).

 

let's take different example...

 

BG2: SOA 

you side with the vampires or the thieves guild - or you didn't play BG2?

at any rate at some point each choice gives you a different thing.

1. It just effect one chapter. Then your action effect the conclusion chapter in some way via characters or effect. It like that with every bw game.

Sorry but that is no different.

 

2. That in BG2 only effect who is helping you in the fight against the bad guy's sister or not. It effect nothing else in the game.

 

 

 

Things like that happen every bw game. it effect one chapter, then a bit of the conclusion chapters and then that's it. it effects nothing else.

[robertthebard]

On the contrary, its not copy/pasted its based on it, content is written by their writers and IMO its better than what you get in books. Not to mention most adaptations suck and their is very good.
 
Anyways No1 compared stories, just overall quiality its like GTA4 > Saints Row 3.
IE: Using Biowares Engine they made a better looking envoirment in 2007 game than Bioware did in DAO 2009 which look like morrowind xD

Sorry, it's an RPG, but you don't want to discuss story? What ever it takes to deflect from The Witcher not being an original IP, right?

You see, that's actually very relevant to the conversation, or at least this atypical "tw does it better" off topic rant; because every piece of lore that someone picks up in a DA game, pick one, it doesn't matter, was written by BioWare. Every NPC you interact with, no matter how major, or trivial, was written by BioWare. As opposed to "no matter what you do, you slept with Triss", because that's how TW 2 opens, even if you ignored her through 1, right? Why is that? Continuity of the story they have to work with. They didn't build anything from the ground up except the maps. From what they have, you could make a decent game. Where's the meat? Where's the IP that they built from the ground up, in a world that they created from the ground up? I'll tell you where, it's nonexistent. There is nothing on the market now, or in the foreseeable future that is a CDPR original IP. But hey, put on your fanboy pants, and circle the wagons, someone told some truth about TW, and needs to shouted down...

[robertthebard]

The only DLC specifically mentioned is the three story pieces and the item packs, which is all the paid DLC the game received. So it kind of leaves the question open as to what that means for the free DLC. Nonetheless, I do expect the free stuff to be included.

Um, it's free. So if it's not on the disk, you just download it through Origin, because, you know, it's free...

[PIT_DEFENDER]

Not rly dude, your the fanboii,  fiercely defending BW. Ofcourse story and lore is theirs but then one could argue that most of it in the first part of Dragon Age was actualy a Ripped off Witcher with changed names and PEGI put on it. That really puts in question creativity of BW studio. Though like I said I am not going to fight with you over the story, I think both are good and I like them.

 

And I still stand with my opinion, BW's gone greedy their games are more and more comercial and they degrade with every new title and DAI is a great example of it.

[robertthebard]

Not rly dude, your the fanboii,  fiercely defending BW. Ofcourse story and lore is theirs but then one could argue that most of it in the first part of Dragon Age was actualy a Ripped off Witcher with changed names and PEGI put on it. That really puts in question creativity of BW studio. Though like I said I am not going to fight with you over the story, I think both are good and I like them.
 
And I still stand with my opinion, BW's gone greedy their games are more and more comercial and they degrade with every new title and DAI is a great example of it.

Where did I defend BioWare? I just pointed out the shortcomings to your messiah. Of course, that may be why you don't understand what happened in Inquisition...

[TraiHarder]

DAI has tactics. You just need to put it on Hard or more to be forced to plan it out.

 

Lol No your getting basic attack basic attack basic attack ability mixed up with tactics XD sorry to inform you but no there are no true tactics in Inquisition. That's kinda why they didn't add the Tactics menu DUUUUUUUUUH

[Googleness]

1. It just effect one chapter. Then your action effect the conclusion chapter in some way via characters or effect. It like that with every bw game.

Sorry but that is no different.

 

2. That in BG2 only effect who is helping you in the fight against the bad guy's sister or not. It effect nothing else in the game.

 

 

 

Things like that happen every bw game. it effect one chapter, then a bit of the conclusion chapters and then that's it. it effects nothing else.

 

because you seem to forgot the plot here is a link:

http://www.gamebansh...walkthrough.php

check out right side...

 

see act 1: bandits and act 1: city watch?

yes two different things.

 

next...

 

http://www.gamebansh...gh/thetrial.php

beside the multitude of the options here which takes part in previous quests you got 2 vigil options:

 

guards get you:

 

and thieves get you:

 

that's in act 2. based on choices from act 1.

 

also during the trial if in previous missions and travels you acted in certain way then you could "win" the trial and prove you are innocent while being d-bag will net you guilty.

[robertthebard]

The trial's a really bad example. No matter how you're found, it always ends the same way, thanks Obisidian Ent.

[leaguer of one]

Lol No your getting basic attack basic attack basic attack ability mixed up with tactics XD sorry to inform you but no there are no true tactics in Inquisition. That's kinda why they didn't add the Tactics menu DUUUUUUUUUH

Wrong. Their tactics in dai. I's based on how you build your character and what abilities you plan to use in battle. I don't mean that auto attack menu. I mean the player actually making plan to get through a fight.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Um, it's free. So if it's not on the disk, you just download it through Origin, because, you know, it's free...

That's basically my point. Does the fact that it's free mean it won't be in the GOTY game or not?

 

We'll see...

[TraiHarder]

It does not matter anymore, both where very easy games for me on brutal/nightmare.

 

I mean I'm not saying either one had a super amount of fine tactics but at least The Witcher had some while DA:I had none.

[thats1evildude]

Maybe there needs to be a separate GOTY thread that doesn't pertain to the Witcher.