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[SwobyJ]

Not sure what you're talking about.

 

Seriously?

[Teddie Sage]

Seriously?

I got some terrible memory or I probably never seen what you were talking about.

[Teddie Sage]

Seriously?

Wait, were you talking about the Indroctrination Theory Thread?

[SwobyJ]

Wait, were you talking about the Indroctrination Theory Thread?

 

Yes I was just joking: IT --> TT (TITAN THEORY)

[Cobra's_back]

"For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.

The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.

A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.

Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.

A voice whispers:

 

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

 

So, yes killing one makes things worse."

 

Yes the elves were greedy and the mages wanted to fuel their power. Why am I not surprised? Let's us face it the real bad guys were the Elves. They are even racist against their own kind.

 

As for this Titan @ Reznore57 said it best:

 

" They are like tectonic plates with feelings ." 

 

That doesn't make them the bad guy. If you can reason with them, then maybe they can help.

[Cobra's_back]

The Titans are the Reapers, got it.

NO! It has been done before no more ME 3. I don't want to pick a favorite color ending.

[earthboyjak]

2. the elves of old and the decsent dlc.

 

3.Here's what the lore state on it in trespasser.

It's starts say parse of Mythal killing a Titan.

 

"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"

 

But then thing get worse due to killing one.....

 

For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.

The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.

A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.

Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.

A voice whispers:

 

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

 

So, yes killing one makes things worse.

 

4. Yes, we do. The fact they communicate and can reason proves that. It's not hard to see if something is intelligent. if it can communicate a reason it's intelligent.

 

 

And yes shaping the world does means destruction. Every forming of any world, real or fiction is violent. Every mountain is cause by massive earthquakes and volcanoes. Every plain from glacier rushing through it. Swamps by the many hurricane that hit it.  Every environmental change is violent by nature. Even the elves of old stated how the titan destroyed their cites.

 

Sorry but anyone with any sense of what drastic environmental change is would know titan's are a problem/

From the wiki:

 

Elgar'nan (ell-GAR-nan)—also known as the All-Father, the Eldest of the Sun and He Who Overthrew His Father[1] Most elves will invoke Elgar'nan's name when they seek retribution.

The Dalish believe that when Elgar'nan buried the sun in the abyss, some of its heat remained in the Earth and gave rise to hot springs in the Dales. They call the springs the Pools of the Sun and treat them as sacred.[

 

Does anyone think what Mythal did to the Titan is related to the disaster of the sun scorching the earth, Elgar'nan casting it down, and the restoration of the surface? The green vines enveloping a sphere of fire sure sounds like an interaction of earth and sun to me. We know that Titans have the power to grow/regrow natural wonders and create paradise-like environments. Could spilling the blood of the Titans have been more about restoring the ruined surface of the earth than freeing Dwarves, or even acquiring lyrium? The discovery of the Lyrium's power and the Dwarven race may have been incidental, and I have a feeling once Dwarves were freed from the Titan's song their ability to safely harvest lyrium made them useful slaves. I doubt the Elves had interest in them otherwise. The biggest theme of these games is the pride of people with power leading to failed attempts at bettering the world. To the generations who'd have to live in that world, the memory of these failures to control change itself may seem like creation, and the perpetrators like creators. I think the Elves did something stupid to the sun that ruined the earth, did something stupid to the earth that made it worse, and the situation has snowballed from there. 

 

There's also something in the Trespasser fade-library about the poor Dwarves who never knew the sun, which I think hints at something. They'd sure get some sun if it was put underground...

[Ieldra]

NO! It has been done before no more ME 3. I don't want to pick a favorite color ending.

Why, don't you have a favorite color? *intentionally misses the point by several light-years*

 

To get more serious, the titans as antagonists would have similar problems. They are too alien, and we can't relate to them. We *shouldn*t be able to relate to them as well exactly because they are so alien. Stories with antagonists like that are a challenge to write at the best of times, but with the added constraints of the medium I don't think Bioware is up to it. 

[leaguer of one]

NO! It has been done before no more ME 3. I don't want to pick a favorite color ending.

It's not exactly like the reapers. The reapers enslave ageist the beings will. Anyone bounded to the titan is willing.

[Almostfaceman]

Not really, how many plans did the pc's succeed in with out being Omniscient. So want is mytha; knows some spells and tricks......Elgar'nan would know about them.

 

That's an odd thing to say, what are you basing this on? By the way, the PC's plans aren't always achieved either. DA2 is a rather good example of that. This whole "only the Titans could have saved Mythal" premise isn't based on anything but your wishful thinking. 

[leaguer of one]

Why, don't you have a favorite color? *intentionally misses the point by several light-years*

 

To get more serious, the titans as antagonists would have similar problems. They are too alien, and we can't relate to them. We *shouldn*t be able to relate to them as well exactly because they are so alien. Stories with antagonists like that are a challenge to write at the best of times, but with the added constraints of the medium I don't think Bioware is up to it. 

We don't need to relate to them. The issue with the reapers is they were unwilling to communicate and had all the disposition of a Derlek. The titan are not like that. Any communication problem is based on biology not unwillingness, and that don't have any intent to destroy and reshape what we are out of force.

 

It more like a thinking Volcano. The actions of a Volcano can cause life in areas for vast generations but to do that they do have to erupt. When it does any life around it get killed off. The being of now have to die so it can nurture the beings of the future. It has no intent to kill the being of now , it just doing it's nature. if it does not do that the being of tomorrow have no resources to sustain it self.

[leaguer of one]

That's an odd thing to say, what are you basing this on? By the way, the PC's plans aren't always achieved either. DA2 is a rather good example of that. This whole "only the Titans could have saved Mythal" premise isn't based on anything but your wishful thinking. 

Except for the fact that it unlikly an elven god older then the one the one they are kill and know said being all there life would not miss the fact they had an escape plan.

[kann.nix9mm]

Except for the fact that it unlikly an elven god older then the one the one they are kill and know said being all there life would not miss the fact they had an escape plan.

 

Can you rewrite that? I don't understand what you getting at O.o

[leaguer of one]

Can you rewrite that? I don't understand what you getting at O.o

Among the elven gods who kill Mythal is Elgar'nan, who is old and more powerful them Mythal. He is call the all father and fought ant taken down other gods before.

He also knows the Mythal the longest. My point is that he understand her action and plan and would have foresight in taking her down and any trick she has. It unlikely he would let Mythal escape.

[Almostfaceman]

Among the elven gods who kill Mythal is Elgar'nan, who is old and more powerful them Mythal. He is call the all father and fought ant taken down other gods before.

He also knows the Mythal the longest. My point is that he understand her action and plan and would have foresight in taking her down and any trick she has. It unlikely he would let Mythal escape.

 

Being older doesn't make the guy all-knowing, just a difficult opponent. You're acting like they went to "elven god school" and learned all the tricks from the same source. They were all fairly independent beings who had their own "worshipers" and kingdoms. Mythal made it her priority to thwart the others when they got silly with the evil. You're going to have to take some parts of the "elven gods" myth as just that - myth. They quite obviously are not gods and they had no problem setting up legends about themselves to keep the awe and fear factors going. 

 

They certainly can't keep themselves from being locked into the Fade by Solas, no matter how old or powerful they are. Like I said, they're not infallible. Not even remotely. 

 

Elgar'nan isn't all-knowing and all-seeing and it's completely possible Mythal had in place some contingency devised all on her own little lonesome self. While the Titans MAY be one possibility, they're hardly the only one. 

[OdanUrr]

They quite obviously are not gods and they had no problem setting up legends about themselves to keep the awe and fear factors going. 

 

Doesn't Solas say this very same thing in Trespasser? I got the idea they were just very powerful beings who decided to play gods.

[leaguer of one]

Being older doesn't make the guy all-knowing, just a difficult opponent. You're acting like they went to "elven god school" and learned all the tricks from the same source. They were all fairly independent beings who had their own "worshipers" and kingdoms. Mythal made it her priority to thwart the others when they got silly with the evil. You're going to have to take some parts of the "elven gods" myth as just that - myth. They quite obviously are not gods and they had no problem setting up legends about themselves to keep the awe and fear factors going. 

 

They certainly can't keep themselves from being locked into the Fade by Solas, no matter how old or powerful they are. Like I said, they're not infallible. Not even remotely. 

 

Elgar'nan isn't all-knowing and all-seeing and it's completely possible Mythal had in place some contingency devised all on her own little lonesome self. While the Titans MAY be one possibility, they're hardly the only one. 

Dude, they learn all the tricks ..they made all the tricks. All the info for magic they invented. Both these gods have forgot more about magic the all of modern thedas combined have learnt.

 

Yes, they are not really gods but they have the power and knowlegde to make them truelly powerful. Yes they are infallible...And that goes for Mythal as well who was Murdered by them.

 

Elgar'nan my not be all seeing and know but it make no sense for him not have the foresight to counter someone he has none the longest who he knows more thing about magic then.

 

If possible Mythal may of escape, sure but it's a very slim chance.

[kann.nix9mm]

Dude, they learn all the tricks ..they made all the tricks. All the info for magic they invented. Both these gods have forgot more about magic the all of modern thedas combined have learnt.

 

Yes, they are not really gods but they have the power and knowlegde to make them truelly powerful. Yes they are infallible...And that goes for Mythal as well who was Murdered by them.

 

Elgar'nan my not be all seeing and know but it make no sense for him not have the foresight to counter someone he has none the longest who he knows more thing about magic then.

 

If possible Mythal may of escape, sure but it's a very slim chance.

 

1. Simple assumptions is no knowledge. Aside from what little Flemeth and Solas say we know nothing about the old elves and their 'gods'. Stop trying to proof or place facts where are non.

 

2. How long they knew each other and what information they could get out of it is pure speculation. What we know is the other 'god's' killed Mythal in thirst for power, nothing more.

[leaguer of one]

1. Simple assumptions is no knowledge. Aside from what little Flemeth and Solas say we know nothing about the old elves and their 'gods'. Stop trying to proof or place facts where are non.

 

2. How long they knew each other and what information they could get out of it is pure speculation. What we know is the other 'god's' killed Mythal in thirst for power, nothing more.

1.I can just look at all the they build and how they control other to know how knowledgeable they are. How can being who can do what they can not no how to take down another of their kind for good?

 

2. Even Solas say they know for a long time. If not just myth I'm using with this theory. Heck, even Mythal says they murderer her.