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[TommyBoyJoy]

If you make him angry enough he literally reveals his plan to the Inquisitor "What? You think i can just TEAR DOWN THE VEIL and rewrite reality to bring the elves back HA that'd be crazy"

[Big I]

I knew something was off about Blackwall the first playthrough, but I didn't take this specific line that way. It actually made sense to me that he would say it like that, as he sounded like he was trying not to spill the beans about Wardens being tainted and needing to die to kill an Archdemon.

 

 

What got me was him saying he was in Ferelden during the Blight. No you weren't, otherwise you would have been with Riordan in Denerim, and there's that codex entry you find in the rookery. So I knew that was BS. But everything else he says or doesn't say or claims not to know is consistent with Grey Warden secrecy. I figured he'd just done something really bad before being recruited, and that's what his guilt/unease was about.

[Kurogane335]

Solas slips up a few times. He does it when he reveals Skyhold to you, and he does it when he talks about the Veil and a world without it.

 

He also do this if you bring him with you in the Winter Palace. He tells you that he missed the intrigues in the halls of powers when you talk to him back at Skyhold. If you ask him what he meant, since he was supposedly not allowed in such places before, he weakly try to explain that he saw it in the Fade.

 

Obviously, once you beat the game, you understand what he meant.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

 

I knew something was off about Blackwall the first playthrough, but I didn't take this specific line that way. It actually made sense to me that he would say it like that, as he sounded like he was trying not to spill the beans about Wardens being tainted and needing to die to kill an Archdemon. What he's saying is true, after all.

 

Lol let him know. He surely will be happy to learn the answer was correct

[Boost32]

The Solas line "I saw it in the Fade" remembers me of Timmy Turner when he need to explain where he get those fantastical things, "uh... internet".

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

In "In Your Heart Shall Burn" If you take the first line about sacrificing yourself for the sake of the Inquisition, Solas disapproves though it is not clear to me why? Maybe because he thinks the you need to survive in order to stop Corypheus? I thought he valued being a "hero".

[LadyJaneGrey]

I caught that on my first playthrough and was like how the hell do you know it's an object? There was no option to ask that which was weird.

 

That bothered me too.

[In Exile]

In "In Your Heart Shall Burn" If you take the first line about sacrificing yourself for the sake of the Inquisition, Solas disapproves though it is not clear to me why? Maybe because he thinks the you need to survive in order to stop Corypheus? I thought he valued being a "hero".

 

Solas does not believe in organizations - he believes they all ultimately become corrupt. So your willingness to die for it is, in his view, a pointless waste. Beyond that, he needs you not to die to (1) have you stop the breach, because with your death Corypheus might regain the anchor; and (2) he actually does need to get the anchor from you...

[TeffexPope]

I still feel that it would have been better for Bioware to not reveal Solas' true identity after the main plot. Would have made it a lot cooler if you played through trespasser and didn't realize his true identity beforehand. Instead, you're just waiting and waiting for your clueless inquisitor to find out for themself...

[PIT_DEFENDER]

Your right Pope Tresspaser is a qquiate a missift. The idea of leting us know about Solas at the end of the game isnt bad imo, its just a different aprach than usual.

 

But Tresspasser is like you get to Winter Palace you meet your old crew, then there is almost no politics in what you expected to be aheated debate where some buffons from Olaris and Felered keep judging you. And then you walk in fade killing Qunari already knowing that at the end of the road thers Solas, Its just stupid.

 

It would be more interesting if they would make solases explanations more extensive and feed them to us part by part through out the whole DLC while we would also had to defend our organization from beeing torn into pieces at Exalted Council.

 

Someone didnt really think this through ;/

 

I think Ill apply for biower, they really need some quiality inspectors there, no matter how well EA sells their games.

[SandiKay0]

The fun for me is discovering the peices that come together. For me it didn't feel as if my Inquisitor was an idiot, if was more of a feeling of betrayal of trust. Then feeling used for no real purpose except that he(Solas) could. Then the realization that I was the one that convinced him to contiue his path, it was awesome.

[KumoriYami]

The fun for me is discovering the peices that come together. For me it didn't feel as if my Inquisitor was an idiot, if was more of a feeling of betrayal of trust. Then feeling used for no real purpose except that he(Solas) could. Then the realization that I was the one that convinced him to contiue his path, it was awesome.

 

"realization that I was the one that convinced him to continue his path"? as in sticking around with the Inquisition?

[Ilwerin]

I still feel that it would have been better for Bioware to not reveal Solas' true identity after the main plot. Would have made it a lot cooler if you played through trespasser and didn't realize his true identity beforehand. Instead, you're just waiting and waiting for your clueless inquisitor to find out for themself...

No... it was this epilogue, this revelation, which saved the whole game. Literally. I was SO disappointed after defeating Cory... (so hasty, simple, boring... I would be less disappointed if the game ended after In Your Heart Shall Burn which was amazing..)... but it was this epilogue which "forced" me to the next playthrough immediately, for how could I miss all those hints!

[Jandi]

No... it was this epilogue, this revelation, which saved the whole game. Literally. I was SO disappointed after defeating Cory... (so hasty, simple, boring... I would be less disappointed if the game ended after In Your Heart Shall Burn which was amazing..)... but it was this epilogue which "forced" me to the next playthrough immediately, for how could I miss all those hints!

 

It's what happens when you rewrite most of the story half-way through, a clusterfuck. Every single time devs do this it ends up being HORRENDOUS yet they never learn.

 

What I want to know is, who is the *genius* behind the decision.

[SandiKay0]

"realization that I was the one that convinced him to continue his path"? as in sticking around with the Inquisition?

No he asks what would I do if I woke up one day to find everything is worse and I answered keep trying.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

 

It's what happens when you rewrite most of the story half-way through, a clusterfuck. Every single time devs do this it ends up being HORRENDOUS yet they never learn.

How is Dragon Age a clusterfuck ?

[solomon.kosin]

No he asks what would I do if I woke up one day to find everything is worse and I answered keep trying.

I have tried different answers at that conversation, which happens after Temple of Mythal, and they all lead to "i will try harder". I wanted to find an option like "live with it" or smth, but they ALL end up in "try more" and solas thanks you for it

[SandiKay0]

I have tried different answers at that conversation, which happens after Temple of Mythal, and they all lead to "i will try harder". I wanted to find an option like "live with it" or smth, but they ALL end up in "try more" and solas thanks you for it

That would have been better.

[vertigomez]

I have tried different answers at that conversation, which happens after Temple of Mythal, and they all lead to "i will try harder". I wanted to find an option like "live with it" or smth, but they ALL end up in "try more" and solas thanks you for it

Now he gets to look at us and say, "See?! I'm just taking your advice!"

[Bigdoser]

Yeah in my current play through and I drank from the well he asked me what I would do with the knowledge I told him I would use it to build a better future, which he approves of. Then he asks if people are not interested in what you offer and how some people would go against you than listen, what would you do and you end up failing? The inquisitor can say something to the effect of try harder and if you stop trying that's when you actually fail. Which he approves again while smiling and he says that he is glad you have the knowledge of the well. 

 

 

My mouth dropped considering the events of trespasser I feel either way if you are friends or you hate each other you influence him somewhat to go along with his plan. The only difference if you are friends/romance he believes you can prove him wrong or stop him. 

[solomon.kosin]

Now he gets to look at us and say, "See?! I'm just taking your advice!"

And nevermind that our "try harder" never was "kill everyone"=)

[Giantdeathrobot]

I knew something was off about Blackwall the first playthrough, but I didn't take this specific line that way. It actually made sense to me that he would say it like that, as he sounded like he was trying not to spill the beans about Wardens being tainted and needing to die to kill an Archdemon. What he's saying is true, after all.

 

I think the line was directd at the player, honestly. Within the context of the setting, ''it has to be a Grey Warden sword'' is not that far-fetched.

 

But anyone who has played Origins knows that its far more sinister than that. So either Blackwall is keeping information about how to kill an Archdemon under wraps while there's (allegedly) one flying around to himself, or he's making stuff up. To me it was definitely a line that made me go ''hang on, that's not right''. 

[solomon.kosin]

I had my suspicions about Blackwall but when you meet a Hawke's warden if you bring Blackwall with you the warden will say "there is another wardem with you" (at least Alistair did) . I thought that is because he sensed the taint in Blackwall's blood. But since Blackwall is not a warden and has no taint its rather confusing

[In Exile]

I think the line was directd at the player, honestly. Within the context of the setting, ''it has to be a Grey Warden sword'' is not that far-fetched.

 

But anyone who has played Origins knows that its far more sinister than that. So either Blackwall is keeping information about how to kill an Archdemon under wraps while there's (allegedly) one flying around to himself, or he's making stuff up. To me it was definitely a line that made me go ''hang on, that's not right''. 

 

But that's exactly what the Wardens do. Stupidly doom all of Thedas to death to preserve a pointless secret is almost their official mantra. Consider Ostagar. The plan is sheer suicidal insanity: all of the Grey Wardens are put in the Vanguard, on the ground, when they are the only thing in existence that can stop the archdemon, and they know there is one, because they can sense the archdemon. And yet Duncan adopts the one plan that - in the end, could absolutely doom Thedas. No life is more valuable than a GW life in a blight. Same with Riordan. He should be lining up soldiers to participate in the Joining - which we know we can do because Loghain - rather than allow three suicidal lunatics to try and save all of Ferelden.

 

Ignoring that Blackwall is 100% right that "it has to be a Grey Warden sword" (and ignoring the inside joke at the original end of DA:O before the re-writes) refusing to reveal that it means a double KO isn't exactly out of character. 

[RunningParadox]

Lol wow I never noticed, those crafty writers them.