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[KumoriYami]

too many little things to count and notice -.-

[Hurbster]

He give some massive foreshadowing if you take him to Therinfall Redoubt.

[In Exile]

He give some massive foreshadowing if you take him to Therinfall Redoubt.

 

I've only seen that sequence once. What does he say?

[SandiKay0]

Now I have replay, thx

[Reika]

My first playthrough, I was suspicious of Solas because how did he know that the mark on the prisoner's hand would close the rift? So I figured he had some sort of insider knowledge about what happened. I just didn't expect the level of involvement he did have. Then Trespasser really threw me for a loop. I so wanted the option of being able to grab his shoulders and try to shake some sense into him.

 

During my current playthrough, I had an interesting cut scene with Solas in Skyhold that I didn't get before. He asked my Inquisitor questions about if she thought that the anchor had changed her personality. In this case she said she was the same person she always had been. Her answers seriously disturbed him, but I didn't get any approval changes. He walked away all freaked out.

 

So I wonder if he thought that there would be some measure of control or influence on the Inquisitor? 

 

On a side note, I went to the Dead Hand and realized that it is a left hand that gets cut off about the same amount as what happens to our Inquisitors. Nice hint there, Devs.

[Dai Grepher]

Yes. Yes I did notice that. I wondered, "How does he know an artifact causes the explosion?"

 

Of course, I myself assumed a device of some sort did it, because the last known breach of the Veil required an insane amount of lyrium and blood magic. So it seemed logical that a magical device would do it this time around. But for him to say "artifact" was very specific. Add to this the fact that he was correct, and then explained that he knew what the artifact was because he dreamed about it in the Fade, even though he said Fade memories aren't reliable.

 

Yeah, that's when I really started to suspect him.

[Darkstarr11]

When you're in Haven this comes up in one of the conversations you have with Solas:

 

Solas: Closing the Breach is our primary goal, but I hope we might also discover what was used to create it. Any artifact of such power is dangerous. The destruction of the Conclave proves that much.

Inquisitor: You don't think whatever created the explosion was destroyed in the blast?

 Solas: You survived, did you not? The artifact that created the Breach is unlike anything seen in this age. I will not believe it destroyed until I see the shattered fragments with my own eyes. Anything with that kind of power is bound to show up sooner or later.

 

He basically tells you that the Breach was created by something rather than someone, despite having no evidence to  suggest anything to the contrary....and is quite adamant that it exists. Took me a few playthroughs to notice that the Inquisitor technically has no idea about what happened or that an artifact was involved when the conversation is brought up since they haven't 'met' Corypheus yet... and the only memories you have are about sacrificing the Divine which would imply blood magic to the average observer.

 

I mean, in Thedas, it's mentioned many times that areas that see large death tolls become more susceptible to the Fade and sprits, so it's not exactly a stretch to believe that if everyone at the Conclave was sacrificed in a crazy blood ritual that it could cause a tear in the Veil.. but Solas doesn't bring that up.

 

He also slips if you take a diplomatic approach to his first conversation in Haven, saying that people have become cynical in 'this Age'.  What Age are you from, Curly?  For a mysterious rebel, he's a TAD out of practice when it comes to keeping hidden.  To be fair, the Herald HAD just been blasted through the Fade, but Varric should have caught on a bit.  Not Cass...much as I love her, she's NOT the investigative type.

 

 

Let's be honest...the Inquisition dropped the ball.  Solas popped up, seemed to have all the answers at the right time, and they were so desperate that they just accepted it.  Cassandra WAS suspicious, but for the wrong reasons.  Leliana was too focused on external threats; Cullen was busy with the military and Josie was fending off diplomats.  In a way, it WAS brilliant of Solas to do what he did.  The Inquisition was so out of their depth they were willing to take anyone who would help.  With the Chantry breathing down their necks, and the Mage/Templar War raging, no one had time to suss out Solas for what he was.  During that time, he was able to place his own spies within the Inquisition.  They could keep an eye out for the Orb while he guided the Inquisition on the path that worked out best for him.  If he made friends with them, he probably was kicking himself for it.  A romance was probably WORSE...as he just stabbed Lavellan in the heart.  I can see why SHE would miss the signs, but in retrospect, EVERYONE got fooled.  Sera DID say that his head was crammed up a thousand years ago...boy, was SHE right.

 

Solas insinuated himself within the Inquisition, guided it where he needed it by advising, and when it turned out the Orb was lost, he moved on to his next plan.  Beautifully done.

[solomon.kosin]

He give some massive foreshadowing if you take him to Therinfall Redoubt.

And what does he tell?

[Dai Grepher]

Yeah, but since all of it was forced on the player, it doesn't feel like Solas actually deceived anyone.

[jedidotflow]

But that's exactly what the Wardens do. Stupidly doom all of Thedas to death to preserve a pointless secret is almost their official mantra. Consider Ostagar. The plan is sheer suicidal insanity: all of the Grey Wardens are put in the Vanguard, on the ground, when they are the only thing in existence that can stop the archdemon, and they know there is one, because they can sense the archdemon. And yet Duncan adopts the one plan that - in the end, could absolutely doom Thedas. No life is more valuable than a GW life in a blight. Same with Riordan. He should be lining up soldiers to participate in the Joining - which we know we can do because Loghain - rather than allow three suicidal lunatics to try and save all of Ferelden.

 

Ignoring that Blackwall is 100% right that "it has to be a Grey Warden sword" (and ignoring the inside joke at the original end of DA:O before the re-writes) refusing to reveal that it means a double KO isn't exactly out of character. 

 

What ending? Which re-writes?

[solomon.kosin]

Just encountered an interesting thing. Talking to Blackwall after discovered Warden's plans and asked him: what are we going to meet in Adamant? And he asked: either we face a nightmare or face a nightmare and die.

And well, we did face a Nightmare, didn't we?=)

[In Exile]

What ending? Which re-writes?

 

DAO was re-written a lot of times, in different parts, etc. Before the DR etc. ending, there was a magic GW sword that we had to use to kill the AD.

[KumoriYami]

lol. Yes you must use the Master Sword for all evil bosses!

[Ghost Gal]

When you're in Haven this comes up in one of the conversations you have with Solas:

 

Solas: Closing the Breach is our primary goal, but I hope we might also discover what was used to create it. Any artifact of such power is dangerous. The destruction of the Conclave proves that much.

Inquisitor: You don't think whatever created the explosion was destroyed in the blast?

 Solas: You survived, did you not? The artifact that created the Breach is unlike anything seen in this age. I will not believe it destroyed until I see the shattered fragments with my own eyes. Anything with that kind of power is bound to show up sooner or later.

 

He basically tells you that the Breach was created by something rather than someone, despite having no evidence to  suggest anything to the contrary....and is quite adamant that it exists. 

 

You... just now noticed that? Oh. I noticed it on my first playthrough.

 

Then again, I found Solas infinitely fascinating. Being a man of few words, I hung onto everything he said and noted the times it seemed peculiar.

 

I also noticed that the first time you ask him about himself, he immediately gets defensive. "... Why?" If you tell him you just want to know more about him, he gives some half-hearted excuse for his paranoia, "With so much fear in the air... What would you know of me?" Hmm....

 

I also noticed that, if you ask him about Corypheus in Haven and then ask him about Corypheus again at Skyhold, he immediately gets defensive and says something like, "I already told you all I know about Corypheus. Why do you keep questioning me?" If you assure him that you're just asking because he's given good advice before, he's again placated and apologizes for being so defensive. Hmm....

 

When he takes you to Haven in the Fade, I also remember how he says, "You were never going to wake up. How could you? A mortal sent physically into the Fade." Even long before I ever got a hint of his "elven god" identity, I thought that choice of words was very suspect. HMM....

 

And yet, I still trusted him. T.T (Why do I always choose to trust the mysterious apostates who join the group under disastrous circumstances, know unorthodox magic, and claim their only motive is to help? Between Morrigan revealing she wanted to use us to get the soul of an Old God and ran off, and Solas revealing he wanted to use us to get the Orb and ran off, I'm starting to develop trust issues.)

[Reika]

And yet, I still trusted him. T.T (Why do I always choose to trust the mysterious apostates who join the group under disastrous circumstances, know unorthodox magic, and claim their only motive is to help? Between Morrigan revealing she wanted to use us to get the soul of an Old God and ran off, and Solas revealing he wanted to use us to get the Orb and ran off, I'm starting to develop trust issues.)

 

Oddly enough, I wasn't shocked at the whole Dark Ritual thing with Morrigan. From the very start she was up front about wanting power to keep herself secure. I was just grateful there was an alternative to either my Warden sacrificing herself or Alistair sacrificing himself because it was pretty clear that Riordan was too incompetent to do the job. And she's willing to answer all of your questions about the situation. She might get huffy at the particularly stupid ones, but I don't blame her.

[KumoriYami]

You... just now noticed that? Oh. I noticed it on my first playthrough.

 

Then again, I found Solas infinitely fascinating. Being a man of few words, I hung onto everything he said and noted the times it seemed peculiar.

 

I also noticed that the first time you ask him about himself, he immediately gets defensive. "... Why?" If you tell him you just want to know more about him, he gives some half-hearted excuse for his paranoia, "With so much fear in the air... What would you know of me?" Hmm....

 

I also noticed that, if you ask him about Corypheus in Haven and then ask him about Corypheus again at Skyhold, he immediately gets defensive and says something like, "I already told you all I know about Corypheus. Why do you keep questioning me?" If you assure him that you're just asking because he's given good advice before, he's again placated and apologizes for being so defensive. Hmm....

 

When he takes you to Haven in the Fade, I also remember how he says, "You were never going to wake up. How could you? A mortal sent physically into the Fade." Even long before I ever got a hint of his "elven god" identity, I thought that choice of words was very suspect. HMM....

 

And yet, I still trusted him. T.T (Why do I always choose to trust the mysterious apostates who join the group under disastrous circumstances, know unorthodox magic, and claim their only motive is to help? Between Morrigan revealing she wanted to use us to get the soul of an Old God and ran off, and Solas revealing he wanted to use us to get the Orb and ran off, I'm starting to develop trust issues.)

 

....sorry lol! I usually pick the dialogue options that are more neutral... and while do I pay attention to the wordings used about 50% of the time... I usually don't pick up on the obvious.

 

As for Morrigan... I wasn't really thinking anything about her until the Flemeth's Real Grimoire quest revelations since she sticks around.

[solomon.kosin]

Hah, really so far all the apostates who join us know some creepy stuff or do some creepy stuff or are creepy.

Morrigan, Anders, Solas. Maybe mages really should be in the circle?=)))

[Wulfram]

Hah, really so far all the apostates who join us know some creepy stuff or do some creepy stuff or are creepy.

Morrigan, Anders, Solas. Maybe mages really should be in the circle?=)))

Bethany isn't creepy.

(Except those hands)

[solomon.kosin]

Bethany isn't creepy.

(Except those hands)

Oh, yea. Forgot about her since my Hawke is a mage and Bethany dies=)Well, and my Hawke is creepy...kinda
Connor was also raised as an apostate. Aaand we all know what happened to Redcliff

Still Bethany puts a hole in the theory=(