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[Karma_Joy]

The wither 3 had a great way of including side quests that were challenging and really fun. (Spoilers) even the quest to retrieve an old woman's frying pan was entertaining as you spent 5 minutes going through her boarded up house and discovering the frying pan was used by a soldier to get ink to send a message to his forces in secret. It had a lot of humor, and a small back story as to why the frying pan was taken. 

 

Dragon age inquisition was a great game, but overpopulated by hundreds of small quests that weren't fulfilling and sometimes seemed more like filler than a quest. There were several small pointless quests that literally only took a few seconds or a minute to do. I feel like they could learn a lot about creating side quests by looking at how the developers of The Witcher 3 made theres. 

 

 

[Element Zero]

I left for a while shortly after the DAI release, but I've read here that TW3 references sort of took over the DAI forum for a while. That being the case, I'm almost hesitant to mention the game in these parts. That said, I couldn't agree more. TW3 is "open world" done right.

As much as I loved the DA series before DAI, that game made me realize DA is no longer for me. I'm now mildly concerned that MEA could suffer from similar barrenness and poor pacing. Any designers making this type of game could do worse than looking to TW3 for ideas on how to keep things exciting, lively and engaging throughout. Though there were peaks and valleys, I never once got bored during all my many hours of playing TW3. It was an amazing experience.

[Mathias]

........there's a lot Bioware games could learn from The Witcher 3. Let's just leave it at that.

[Guitar-Hero]

........there's a lot Bioware games could learn from The Witcher 3. Let's just leave it at that.

Which?

[Zekka]

What more does TW3 do that other rpg's don't in an open world context? Sounds like Gothic 1 & 2 did many of these things a decade ago.

[Mathias]

Which?

 

Ok I'll bite.

 

 

1. Character modelling.

2. Character animation.

3. Side quests that feel engaging and that you're making an actual difference in people's lives.

4. How to write romances the develop naturally over the course of the story, and feel like it's blooming because the characters truly like each other, not because the player kept selecting Flirt at every given opportunity. I can tell you what is it about Geralt and Triss's personality and actions that draw them to each other. Not so much for the majority of Bioware romances. 

5. How to write a tearjerking ending without just killing off the main character to achieve that.

6. How not to make nude scenes look awkward, but I guess that falls into both #1 and #2. 

7. Players should not be given the choice to make life altering decisions for other characters, that they're fully capable of doing themselves. Ciri decides her future based on how she's treated by Geralt and the time and places she is throughout that game. Iron Bull has to be told by the player that sacrificing his family is wrong. 

 

I could go on a little bit more, but those are the notable ones to me.

[Majestic Jazz]

Ok I'll bite.


1. Character modelling.
2. Character animation.
3. Side quests that feel engaging and that you're making an actual difference in people's lives.
4. How to write romances the develop naturally over the course of the story, and feel like it's blooming because the characters truly like each other, not because the player kept selecting Flirt at every given opportunity. I can tell you what is it about Geralt and Triss's personality and actions that draw them to each other. Not so much for the majority of Bioware romances.
5. How to write a tearjerking ending without just killing off the main character to achieve that.
6. How not to make nude scenes look awkward, but I guess that falls into both #1 and #2.
7. Players should not be given the choice to make life altering decisions for other characters, that they're fully capable of doing themselves. Ciri decides her future based on how she's treated by Geralt and the time and places she is throughout that game. Iron Bull has to be told by the player that sacrificing his family is wrong.

I could go on a little bit more, but those are the notable ones to me.

Very well put.

Of course there are many games that Bioware could look to, but TW3 is the most recent and was VERY successful in that it sold 6 million in 6 weeks. It also has higher review scores both professionally and user than DAI. So TW3 isnt anything to ignore and I am sure Bioware has taken notice. Fallout 4 will be the next game that Bioware could look at for things such as customization.

However, I feel that while your reply was informative, it will fall on deaf ears. There are some here who hate TW3 cause they just do not like the story or gameplay. But you have others who hates TW3 cause it is seen more of a masculine game that emphasizes everything that is "wrong" with society today such as the portrayal of women and the lack of LBGT/ethnic races representation (ignorant to the fact that the game takes place in a 13th century European setting and things werent as progressive as they are today) unlike DAI which makes room for variety of human racial "looks" as well as more female and LBGT representation. In short, TW3 isnt the socially progressive game like DAI was and people hate/dislike TW3 cause of that.

In a way, TW3 is sort of like the anti-DAI especially in terms of tone.

So be prepared for a lot of "TW3 sucks" rebuttle.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Which?

 

None, Other than boring characters, that are homophobic, anti-women, and lack any real story, 

[SolNebula]

None, Other than boring characters, that are homophobic, anti-women, and lack any real story, 

 

So you played the game or you just again...speak out of your ass?

 

Can you guys have a conversation about TW3 as a game that doesn't involve sjw debates?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

So you played the game or you just again...speak out of your ass?

 

You know there is a site called youtube Witcher 3 is like an awful game. 

[SolNebula]

 

You know there is a site called youtube Witcher 3 is like an awful game. 

 

Seeing it on YT isn't the same as playing the game, you just hate the game because of its tone but you don't bring a SINGLE valid point on how TW3 is bad aside from sjw remarks....gameplay-wise TW3 has a lot to teach to DA:I in how to structure quests and open-world areas.

[Mcfly616]

So you played the game or you just again...speak out of your ass?

 

Can you guys have a conversation about TW3 as a game that doesn't involve sjw debates?

Don't feed trolls.

[Undead Han]

None, Other than boring characters, that are homophobic, anti-women, and lack any real story, 

 

Which characters were homophobic and misogynist? Name them.

[SolNebula]

Don't feed trolls.

 

Sorry man...you're right.

[The Antagonist]

DA:I and TW3 both suck. Keep Mass Effect Mass Effect.

[Lumix19]

If you want to talk about DA:I you're in the wrong part of the forum. And why are we comparing Witcher 3 and ME? They're not even in the same genre.

[PillarBiter]

Hmm, witcher 3 comparisons are always dangerous to bring up, but I'll bite.

 

What I think Bioware does better/equally well and should keep:

 

- Companionship (albeit not love interests)

- Battle (especially cross-classes tactics, once without bugs, and provided a more advanced 'tactical camera' system)

- World design (not graphics, mind)

 

What I think CD project Red does better

- Details (in design, graphics, story, character, ...), shine, polish, whatever you want to call it. They do it better, EVERYWHERE. 

- Customer friendliness

 

Other than that... they're different companies, different games, different stories. They can co-exist perfectly fine and I love them both.

(My main gripe is that, I used to play DAI and thought it looked decent. Then I started playing TW3, and after a couple months returned to DAI and remember thinking: "WHat the hell, has it always looked this bad?" )

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Seeing it on YT isn't the same as playing the game, you just hate the game because of its tone but you don't bring a SINGLE valid point on how TW3 is bad aside from sjw remarks....gameplay-wise TW3 has a lot to teach to DA:I in how to structure quests and open-world areas.

No I hated The Witcher 2 because of it's crappy combat dull story, over-sexualized female character, poor voice acting, and god awful dialogue

 

I've seen and read nothing about The Witcher 3 that makes me want to waste my money an overhyped and over-rated game with no redeeming value in a game where I have to help a wife beater get over beating his wife so he murder their unborn baby. 

 

IF Bioware made a copy of The Witcher 3 in one of their IPs people like you would be screaming that all BioWare is just made a cheap knockoff of a so-called "better" game and then people like you bash them for doing it. 

[CronoDragoon]

There's nothing MEA can learn from TW3 that it doesn't already know from ME2 and 3. Especially when it comes to side quests. ME2's loyalty missions and ME3's optional missions are pretty much the best side content I've played. The frying pan example doesn't work because the setting is entirely different in tone; you aren't just going to find some old lady's hut in a hostile environment devoid of oxygen.

 

If you are expecting the worlds of ME:A to be filled with story content, you'll likely be very disappointed. Given the Pathfinder vibe, it sounds like you'll be establishing sentient life on planets, not stumbling onto it.

[Undead Han]

No I hated The Witcher 2 and I've seen and read nothing about The Witcher 3 that makes me want to waste my money an overhyped and over-rated game with no redeeming value for me. 

 

Who are the homophobic and misogynistic characters in The Witcher 3?

 

You still haven't answered that question. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Who are the homophobic and misogynistic characters in The Witcher 3?

 

You still haven't answered that question. 

 

Since I don't play trash games like The Witcher 3 but I did read about a Barron. 

[Altair_ShepardN7]

None, Other than boring characters, that are homophobic, anti-women, and lack any real story, 

It's a game heavily inspired in medieval Europe, what were you expecting?

[mickey111]

None, Other than boring characters, that are homophobic, anti-women, and lack any real story, 

 

for immersions sake. 13th century europe, etc

[Undead Han]

 

Since I don't play trash games like The Witcher 3 but I did read about a Barron. 

 

The Baron isn't supposed to be sympathetic, or least that part of his personality isn't. It's written deliberately as a character flaw, in the same way that Vaughn's racism and misogyny in DA:O were not written as positive traits. The Baron also isn't the main character or part of Geralt's inner circle of companions. There is no part of TW3 where the game delivers an anti-gay or anti-women message.

 

At least watch a Let's Play before you hammer away ill informed opinions on your keyboard and make a fool of yourself. Also, try to fanboy a little less.

[Sanunes]

I feel the same way about "learning" from The Witcher 3 as I do in the thread about "learning" from Metal Gear Solid V.  That BioWare should make the game they want to for using another game as a template or ideas will just cause problems down the road due to the fact they aren't the same people and have different outlooks and sensibilities towards their creation.

 

I remember with Dragon Age II there was a lot of threads like this very one saying that "BioWare should learn how to make a game like Skyrim" because that is what people wanted, but when Dragon Age: Inquisition was released even if they intended it to be that way or not I see a lot of threads with "BioWare tried to copy Skyrim and failed".  I wouldn't expect anything different with Mass Effect: Andromeda for they are different studios located in different countries with different outlooks on content.

 

If there is anything I want BioWare to learn from other games like Metal Gear Solid V or The Witcher 3 is that making a game like any other in the market is just a recipe for disaster, but I am pretty sure they know that already and those games didn't try to incorporate anything from other games they wanted to make their own game and not try to appease people that say "your game should be more like this one".

Modifié par Sanunes, 23 septembre 2015 - 02:37 .