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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Is it simply great magical power? A remnant of earlier times? He says he caused the loss of immortality in the elves, yet remains immortal himself. When asked if he is a remnant like Mythal, he says no, this is all he has always been. So, just a plot hole? or magic or something else?

[Donk]

[Lunatic Lace]

He was sleeping up until a year prior to the events of DAI, presumably like the elves in the temple of Mythal. That might account for the lack of aging if he actually does so.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Ah, through an Eluvian to our world, he got L'Oreal...

[Donk]

Ah, through an Eluvian to our world, he got L'Oreal...

 

L'Oreal sounds like the name of an elven god.

[Zana]

He 'slept' the majority of the time, just like defenders in the temple did.  He might be aging right now, but he has only been awake for what, 4ish years total since he woke up?

 

EDIT: Ninja'd

[Aulis Vaara]

He was sleeping up until a year prior to the events of DAI, presumably like the elves in the temple of Mythal. That might account for the lack of aging if he actually does so.

Where does this idea that sleeping stops you from aging come from?

[diaspora2k5]

Where does this idea that sleeping stops you from aging come from?

Uthenra (sp?) is essentially elven cryosleep iirc.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Where does this idea that sleeping stops you from aging come from?

 

Uthenera. It's how the surviving ancient elves retained their immortality following the creation of the veil and fall of Arlathan.

[Aulis Vaara]

Uthenera. It's how the surviving ancient elves retained their immortality following the creation of the veil and fall of Arlathan.

Says who?

[TheBlackAdder13]

Says who?

 

Uh....the lore. We've known about uthenera since Origins.

[Poledo]

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera

 

The question remains, is how his body did not perish or decay.

 

Edit: the power of the orb maybe?

[TheBlackAdder13]

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera

 

The question remains, is how his body did not perish or decay.

 

Edit: the power of the orb maybe?

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera

 

The question remains, is how his body did not perish or decay.

 

Edit: the power of the orb maybe?

 

From the wiki article:

 

This state did not necessarily equal death, as some would return after centuries of sleep and share the secrets of dreams with the People. Yet many would never wake up: their bodies would deteriorate and they would in fact die.

 

Abelas and the sentinel elves routinely wake up from uthenera with their bodies in tact as well.

[Gervaise]

There is a very slight plot hole if you believe Felassan in Masked Empire.   He maintains that initially the elders would be fed a sort of honey substance to sustain them; servants would brush it across their lips.   When they ceased to absorb it, this indicated that they no longer needed it because they were drawing their sustenance from the Fade.   Now this would make sense if this was the old elf world where there was no Veil but a bit harder to understand now there is one because that was the whole reason why the elves lost their immortality.   Still that was the explanation for why those in Uthenera did not age or die through lack of nourishment; the Fade sustained them.

[zeypher]

Magic, just roll with it. Trying to apply proper logic with fantasy just fails. SO magic just roll with it.

[TheBlackAdder13]

There is a very slight plot hole if you believe Felassan in Masked Empire.   He maintains that initially the elders would be fed a sort of honey substance to sustain them; servants would brush it across their lips.   When they ceased to absorb it, this indicated that they no longer needed it because they were drawing their sustenance from the Fade.   Now this would make sense if this was the old elf world where there was no Veil but a bit harder to understand now there is one because that was the whole reason why the elves lost their immortality.   Still that was the explanation for why those in Uthenera did not age or die through lack of nourishment; the Fade sustained them.

 

My impression was that the elven empire wasn't destroyed instantaneously after Solas created the veil. It slowly decayed and warred among itself -- and that's when humans entered the picture. I just assumed that uthanera didn't come into practice until after the veil was created and elves started to lose their immortality.

[Aulis Vaara]

Uh....the lore. We've known about uthenera since Origins.

Uthenera was a thing because the elves were immortal. It never had the magical property of keeping people magically alive. It was basically a really long sleep because being immortal can get rather boring.

[Lumix19]

Perhaps most of the elvhen lost their immortality but some, like Abelas and Solas, retained it. I don't buy this uthenera=cryo-sleep thing. As above it sounds like something you'd do if you needed a break from life.

[Smudjygirl]

The current elves are somehow different than the past ones. When you meet Abelas he says that the elves are "shadows" of what they were and that they are "not [his] people".

 

I would assume they still have a deep connection to the Fade. Cole keeps saying Solas is "real" on both sides.

[Veovim]

Here's a question: do we actually know whether Solas is aging or not?  We've only seen him over a relatively short period of time.

 

I don't have the quotes handy, but I've seen some people theorizing that prior to the veil, the elves might have been part physical, part fade-linked spiritual entities, whereas now only the physical is left.  Who knows if this is true, or if it has anything to do with the aging issue, but it would explain why both Solas and Abelas treat modern elves as "not their people" to such a degree.

[ModernAcademic]

They remained ageless because Tolkien.

[Mykel54]

I think it´s because the ancient elves who remain (Solas included) retain their connection to the fade, while the modern elves have it cut off - only mages having a minor one.

 

It could work similarly to how dwarves in orzammar retain their stone sense, but once they go to the surface they start losing it, so that dwarves born on the surface have no stone sense.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Uthenera was a thing because the elves were immortal. It never had the magical property of keeping people magically alive. It was basically a really long sleep because being immortal can get rather boring.

 

I mean, if there was no real barrier between Thedas and the fade before Solas, would they even need uthenera?

[Amne YA]

masturbation keep you young 

[Lumix19]

I mean, if there was no real barrier between Thedas and the fade before Solas, would they even need uthenera?

There might still have been a distinction. Solas mentions that most of the modern world has lost their conscious connection to the Fade (since they are only able to access it in dreams and only mages can remain conscious), thus perhaps in the past the Elvhen could consciously enter the Fade at will and Uthenera was their exploration of it when they tired of life.

"Epiphany requires a mind smooth as mirror glass, still as stone. Put aside ten years for practice, and the next hundred for searching. What others have learned will ease your journey. Those who never manifested outside the Fade will find it easier to find its stillest roots, but it is rare the compulsion overtakes our brethren of the air."