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[ZoliCs]

The only reason I prefer CotJ is Calpernia.

[Ryzaki]

OBJECTION! If you never go to Redclffe unti after Champions of the Just, you never hear about Alexius' time travel hijnks.

Also, fantasy time travel is for sheep molesters.

 

Yeah but that means I leave that poor tranquil to Alexius mercies I can't do that man even with how stupid time travel is.

[Cagamelo]

Subsequent Missions

 

Calpernia is a better, deeper nemesis figure I think, but Samson’s mission and the interaction with Cullen is stronger. A surviving Ser Barris can of course offer war table missions (unless they are bugged and never appear, as was my fate) and be promoted to titular Grandmaster.

 

Winner: Draw

 

Although I don't completely agree with your other points this is the one that really stood out to me, there is no way in Hell, Heaven or Earth that this is a draw:

 

- Calpernia's quest is fast, doesn't require you to waste hours in exploring areas you may or may not hate.

- Under her skin gives you insight into Calpernia and most importantly (for now) into Corypheus, shows you the existence of hologram crystals and the tape recorder crystals

- Before dawn is a hiking trip, and tells you nothing that you wouldn't find out anyway following Calpernia's path

- I agree that Calpernia is a better character than our "bizarro-Cullen" guy, so no point arguing that

- Barris is a bro, admits the Templars were in the wrong and helps you put things back in order

- Fiona is a ******, willing to go to any lengths for "freedom" even if the cost is the end of the world

 

and finally:

 

- In Calpernia's path you get the pleasure of personally executing Fiona, hopefully a lesson for the ages

[Ranadiel Marius]

Yeah but that means I leave that poor tranquil to Alexius mercies I can't do that man even with how stupid time travel is.

As long as you ignore the note which could easily be a trap, you can save the tranquil and never learn about the poorly written time travel! Everyone (except Fiona) wins!

[Ryzaki]

As long as you ignore the note which could easily be a trap, you can save the tranquil and never learn about the poorly written time travel! Everyone (except Fiona) wins!

 

Oh yes I'll do this next time XD

[Big I]

Calpernia vs Samson, Calpernia wins

Ser Barris vs Fiona, Ser Barris wins

Going to the future vs fighting demonic possession, tie

Saving mages from a Magister vs asking templars who snubbed you to hear you out, mages.

 

Champions of the Just is the stronger mission and leaves you with better characters, but I always recruit the mages anyway.

[Patchwork]

I feel the game leads you more towards Redcliffe and the mages but once you've headcanoned a reason to go there Therinfal is the better quest. In part because the templars are actually involved in their own recruitment unlike the mages who are tossed aside in favour of the Ventaroi. 

 

Then there's the war table quests, one has Barris and the other has the Inquisition paying for property damage. 

[leaguer of one]

Time travel is one of the most cheap narrative devices, thus the prize goes to Therinfall.

It only as cheap as how you use it. They way it's used in dai is far from cheap. No bigger and deeper motivation can an Inquisitor have then seeing the world in ruin and coming back to a world that it can still happen.

[thats1evildude]

Yeah but that means I leave that poor tranquil to Alexius mercies I can't do that man even with how stupid time travel is.

 

On the flip side, a bunch of innocent templars get turned into red lyrium monsters if you don't go to Therinfal, and dozens of tranquil are killed to make ocularum even if Alexius is stopped. People suffer no matter what.

[leaguer of one]

going to a trap set by a magister that control time magic and loose  until dorian  save the world and bring you back  to present  or go fight a demon  with the templars kick his ass and comeback with an army  ? 
 put  your winner  up your  butt . i'm not going   to  a trap !   templar aaaaaaaaall the way 

So you're going to give mages that can control time more time to get stronger?

[Jandi]

So you're going to give mages that can control time more time to get stronger?

 

But if they can control time then surely you are out of time before you begin?

 

This is thwy "time magic" is stupid.

[leaguer of one]

But if they can control time then surely you are out of time before you begin?

 

This is thwy "time magic" is stupid.

Funny that when you actually do the mission it's clear they don't have that detail control yet.

[thats1evildude]

Funny that when you actually do the mission it's clear they don't have that detail control yet.

 

And they never do master time travel, so rushing to Redcliffe to prevent the mages from becoming stronger is pointless.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Funny how people are still arguing considering trespasser proves Bioware is now pro Mage. Why bother fighting it?

[Jandi]

Funny that when you actually do the mission it's clear they don't have that detail control yet.

 

And it doesn't work again. If you read the codex entries in the "dark future" Alexius tried to go back in time 20 times to reverse the spell. It's safe to assume your mark allows it to work.

 

So that then means that it doesn't matter that they can speed up time a bit locally, the only reason it works is because you go there, meaning the whole thing doesn't matter if you don't go.

 

But then... why did it work when Alexius needed to go the Redcliffe before you to get the mages? It makes no sense.

[leaguer of one]

And they never do master time travel, so rushing to Redcliffe to prevent the mages from becoming stronger is pointless.

Same can be said for the templers.

[thesuperdarkone2]

On the flip side, a bunch of innocent templars get turned into red lyrium monsters if you don't go to Therinfal, and dozens of tranquil are killed to make ocularum even if Alexius is stopped. People suffer no matter what.

You do realize children are confirmed to be with the mages or are you okay with child slavery and murder because you hate mages?

[Jandi]

Funny how people are still arguing considering trespasser proves Bioware is now pro Mage. Why bother fighting it?

 

Funny how people think that discussing something from opposites views is immediately considered arguing.

 

You'll never reach an objective outcome without mutually exclusive subjective start points.

[AresKeith]

Funny how people think that discussing something from opposites views is immediately considered arguing.

 

You'll never reach an objective outcome without mutually exclusive subjective start points.

 

It's pointless trying to discuss with him

[thesuperdarkone2]

Funny how people think that discussing something from opposites views is immediately considered arguing.

You'll never reach an objective outcome without mutually exclusive subjective start points.

. And how do you feel about Bioware straight up ignoring pro Templars and blatantly making mages the heroes and Templars villains in outside media.

[Jandi]

. And how do you feel about Bioware straight up ignoring pro Templars and blatantly making mages the heroes and Templars villains in outside media.

The templars have always been oppressing the Mages and victimizing them. Even in DA:O the Templars would have been happy to just kill all the mages and be done with it.

 

If you support the templars you should be glad that they are portrayed A LOT better in DA:I than in DA2. Like your creature researcher in Haven for exmple was saved by a Templar after she stumbled out of the woods after being cast out of her Clan due to too many mages.

 

I don't "feel" anything about it.

[AresKeith]

. And how do you feel about Bioware straight up ignoring pro Templars and blatantly making mages the heroes and Templars villains in outside media.

 

Implying all mages were made looking like heroes and all Templars looking like villains 

[actionhero112]

Redcliffe: Time Travel

 

Therinfall: Dream sequence

 

What great plot devices. Excuse me while I vomit everywhere. 

 

Therinfall wins because I actually accomplish something in it, while in Redcliffe I just undo crap and then erase everything I did. Plus Lord Seeker Lucius and the seekers have a bigger plot role than Alexius does, who is never mentioned after his quest besides his judgment. 

 

Also Fiona sucks and Barris is awesome. 

[demonicdivas]

I loved the mage questline and thought the forward in time travel was very well done - and really quite dark in a game that tended towards overly fluffy at times. The whole storyline felt much more integrated compared to the templars and also the Samson questline was more in-depth. I found Calpernia all too easy and over so fast. Therinfal was just another demon which for me, lacked imagination.

 

But each to their own. Both have their merits and downsides. Depends on what you are looking for.

[Ryzaki]

On the flip side, a bunch of innocent templars get turned into red lyrium monsters if you don't go to Therinfal, and dozens of tranquil are killed to make ocularum even if Alexius is stopped. People suffer no matter what.

 

Yeah I know but I save those I can. All you can do right?