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[JasonPogo]

Or was that just something a dev told us?  I just can't remember ever hearing or reading anything in game about it.

[Smudjygirl]

I'm pretty sure he's in the comics as Arishok. Those same comics have been hinted to in games (Like Alistair mentioning seeing his father in the fade)

 

He's not personally mentioned, though. Or he is

 

• Varric: You know, I met the Arishok.
• Iron Bull: Oh, the old one? Man, he had an impressive rack. The new Arishok doesn't have horns at all. Usually means they're destined for something special.
• Varric: I met him too. The only thing they seem to have in common is a tendency to burn things.
• Iron Bull: That pretty much sums up the antaam, yes.

[Shechinah]

I believe it will depend upon whether or not he is alive in the individual world state. That said, I cannot remember a developer having confirmed it so the belief likely stems from his appearance as Arishok in the comic universe.

 

It should be noted that the comic universe is not considered canon, I think, as in it does not enforce those bits of the comic canon upon the game canon. I believe David Gaider may have stated this though it could be opinions have changed.

[Just My Moniker]

I remember a banter between Bull and....someone (Can't remember, maybe Dorian) where he talks about the old Arishok (DA2) and then about the new arishok, a hornless Qunari, most likely Sten 

[berelinde]

You can't really kill Sten in DAO, so there's a chance that he'd be Arishok one way or another. You can leave him in the cage in Lothering, but that doesn't equate with "certain death." I mean, you can leave Leliana in the Chantry and she still shows up in DA2 and again in Haven. Maybe Revered Mother Hannah took pity on him and released him before the Darkspawn horde arrived. Maybe he broke free of the cage and carved his way to freedom through the entire Darkspawn horde. If he did, I could see how the Ariqun might interpret that as proof of worthiness.

[Mr.House]

Varric tells Bull he met the new Arishok who had no horns in the game, Varric met Stenshok in the comic.

[Shechinah]

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It seems I misremembered then since I thought it was possible for Sten to die in Origins.
 

[Fearsome1]

It seems I misremembered then since I thought it was possible for Sten to die in Origins.
 

 

I took that as an unconfirmed assumption way back then, because try as I might (just for the heck of it), I could never goad him sufficiently into attacking me or actually leaving?

[milkeye]

All I could ever find on it was in the 2nd World of Thedas volume:

 

"Well after the events of the Fifth Blight, rumors that Sten had replaced the disgraced Arishok spread and greatly alarmed Minrathous. If they are true, many believe the war with the Qunari could finally find a victor."

 

Taken with the Bull and Varric convo it does seem to point to Sten as Arishok, though not confirmed ingame.

[Ryzaki]

You can't really kill Sten in DAO, so there's a chance that he'd be Arishok one way or another. You can leave him in the cage in Lothering, but that doesn't equate with "certain death." I mean, you can leave Leliana in the Chantry and she still shows up in DA2 and again in Haven. Maybe Revered Mother Hannah took pity on him and released him before the Darkspawn horde arrived. Maybe he broke free of the cage and carved his way to freedom through the entire Darkspawn horde. If he did, I could see how the Ariqun might interpret that as proof of worthiness.

 

Yes you can. At Haven he'll attack you (you can avoid this with high approval) at this point you can put him down.

[Navasha]

I never liked the artistic license they have of trying to make Sten the Arishok.   That just seems to go against everything we know about Qunari.    I mean here we have a Qunari whose WHOLE unit was wiped out except for him.   A failure of command.   He then went on a murderous rampage killing innocents, something the Qunari are supposed to frown upon.    He lost his "soul" sword and had to have the help of a bas to recover it.    He spent the better part of a year in the company of at least two to three mages.   One an abomination and possible one of them a blood mage.    Seems to me he would be corrupted by every definition they have.   

 

So, they then decide he should be fit to lead the military?    Don't get me wrong, I liked Sten.    However, I don't see any real way he should have been 'promoted' within the doctrine of the Qun.

[TheBlackAdder13]

All I could ever find on it was in the 2nd World of Thedas volume:

 

"Well after the events of the Fifth Blight, rumors that Sten had replaced the disgraced Arishok spread and greatly alarmed Minrathous. If they are true, many believe the war with the Qunari could finally find a victor."

 

Taken with the Bull and Varric convo it does seem to point to Sten as Arishok, though not confirmed ingame.

 

I mean, that could be any hornless Qunari he's referring to.

[TheBlackAdder13]

I never liked the artistic license they have of trying to make Sten the Arishok.   That just seems to go against everything we know about Qunari.    I mean here we have a Qunari whose WHOLE unit was wiped out except for him.   A failure of command.   He then went on a murderous rampage killing innocents, something the Qunari are supposed to frown upon.    He lost his "soul" sword and had to have the help of a bas to recover it.    He spent the better part of a year in the company of at least two to three mages.   One an abomination and possible one of them a blood mage.    Seems to me he would be corrupted by every definition they have.   

 

So, they then decide he should be fit to lead the military?    Don't get me wrong, I liked Sten.    However, I don't see any real way he should have been 'promoted' within the doctrine of the Qun.

 

Well I think helping end the blight would redeem him, assuming he gets his sword back of course.

[MidnightWolf]

Yes you can. At Haven he'll attack you (you can avoid this with high approval) at this point you can put him down.

That is not a fight to the death actually. He'll fight the Warden until the Warden wounds him badly enough, and then continue to follow.

[Ryzaki]

That is not a fight to the death actually. He'll fight the Warden until the Warden wounds him badly enough, and then continue to follow.

 

Edit: wait no ugh that's at camp. I remember killing him at low approval once. But that might've been during his crisis conversation. Edit2: NVM that's Oghren.

 

Huh. Well Sten is pretty certainly dead if you leave him in the cage so I guess the devs felt that was enough.

[Shechinah]

Navasha

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If alive, Sten completed his assigned task by bringing back the answer to the Arishok's question about what the Blight or the Archdemon was.

 

The death of his unit to the darkspawn may be something he blames himself for but it may not be something the Qun would blame him for since they did not know much about them.

 

The death of the family is something he recognises as a failing which is why he chose to remain since he'd lost his honor in commiting their murder. His possible participation in opposing the Blight and its Archdemon or that he simply chose to remain in the cage rather flee out of fear of punishment may have been seen as the proper way by the Qun for him to regain or keep himself.   

 

Sten may have had more leeway to complete his task since he was of the Beresaad which seems to function like a scouting division of the Antaam since it has its members branching outside of Qunari lands to find answers to the Arishok's questions. This would likely mean that its bands were believed to be capable enough to resist the follies of the bas and their dangers so Sten was not distrusted for having allied with them or mages.   

 

 

[milkeye]

I mean, that could be any hornless Qunari he's referring to.

 

Well that's true enough. The passage in WoT directly refers to Sten the Origins character though, not just any qunari named Sten. Just an awful lot of coincidences, you know? 

[Alex Hawke]

The bartender in "Herald's Rest" mentions the new Arishok, but there's no name or any specific information.

[berelinde]

Yes you can. At Haven he'll attack you (you can avoid this with high approval) at this point you can put him down.

If you beat him, he doesn't die. He tells you that he respects your battle prowess and rejoins the party. At that point, you can tell him to take a hike, but he's still not dead.

[Gervaise]

I think that Sten got back in their good graces because of the fact that it was he who suggested they should concentrate on information gathering in the south before attempting another assault on the mainland.   At the time his ideas were dismissed as ridiculous and he was sent off to Ferelden to research the Blight as his punishment.    However, subsequent events proved him right and thus he regained credibility among the surviving leadership.     I think they may have realised that this thoughtful and observant warrior, who had experience of battle tactics and knowledge of the deep south, might well prove an inspired choice for Arishok.    If the idea put the wind up Minrathous, it would seem they were right.

[Ryzaki]

If you beat him, he doesn't die. He tells you that he respects your battle prowess and rejoins the party. At that point, you can tell him to take a hike, but he's still not dead.

 

Yeah I forgot to edit that post I guess they figured since they gave you the chance to leave him at Lothering it was enough.

[Big I]

Sten is canon Arishok. If you left him in Lothering I suppose he survives and makes his way home. Same if you boot him from the party.

[Heimdall]

Yeah I forgot to edit that post I guess they figured since they gave you the chance to leave him at Lothering it was enough.

And he's not confirmed dead there, so conceivably he could have somehow been released and escaped the horde to return to the Antaam.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Sten is canon Arishok. If you left him in Lothering I suppose he survives and makes his way home. Same if you boot him from the party.

 

Who says he's canon...other than circumstantial evidence from the world of Thedas and the Iron Bull-Varric banter?

[Ryzaki]

And he's not confirmed dead there, so conceivably he could have somehow been released and escaped the horde to return to the Antaam.

 

They're not going to let a murderer of children out of that cage. Him escaping the horde would be pretty stupid as well considering he's just fine staying there if you open up the gate and refuse to take him with you.