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[Dantriges]

As long as there are tentacles, we're all good. Although somebody could be so kind and explain to me how Garrus and femShep work because that's something I've had trouble wrapping my head around since the day one. I mean, humans are kind of squishy. And turians are... not so squishy. Ouch? I've looked up Mordin's advice on the topic and... definitely ouch.

 

Could be that this wouldn´t be the biggest obstacle. There was a thread about the anatomy of birds and how it could relate to turian geitalia. Some possibilities werre outright painful or life endangering. I don´t know the name of the thread anymore, but well have some fun reading the Wikipaedia site https://en.wikipedia...ki/Penis#Birds  

[Vanilka]

Yeah, I've been curious about that too. And OHMYGODWHATISMORDINSADVICE?!

 
"Do not ingest," had me rolling. Mordin knows humans too well. I still can't believe that was actually in the game. Although I guess it makes sense to give the player some explanation (together with fun dialogue) since there are quite a few alien options in ME2 and a lot of people would naturally wonder how to even make it work. The advice for Garrus and Thane, though. (inhale) Problematic. The alien males mostly sounded like more trouble than it's worth in this department.
 

sounds about right although it would be fun to play as one in mulitplayer it should be like a tank just strap few guns on them and let them stroll around xD 
 
and now you made me curious vanilka how the hell would work as well (although haven't played with femshep yet)

 

I'm pretty sure the elcor would do great...

 

 

Taken from the // ME2 Play As npcs, squadmates thread.

 

Seriously, now. I'd be really curious to at least see the elcor on the battlefield. I liked the description the elcor ambassador (?) gave us in ME3 about the elcor being walking tanks. Come on, how awesome is that?

 

As for Garrus' romance, I imagine it would probably go a little bit like...

Spoiler

 

Could be that this wouldn´t be the biggest obstacle. There was a thread about the anatomy of birds and how it could relate to turian geitalia. Some possibilities werre outright painful or life endangering. I don´t know the name of the thread anymore, but well have some fun reading the Wikipaedia site https://en.wikipedia...ki/Penis#Birds 

 

What I'd see as problematic with this idea in particular is that turians aren't birds exactly. They seem to have a little bit of... dinosaur mixed in. They also have exoskeleton and tough, leathery skin, from what I remember of the codex. Generally didn't exactly sound like cuddle material. But maybe I'm just one of those who are weak and should be eaten. However, maybe they're close enough to birds in that department. Who the hell even knows for sure.

 

"Have some fun reading the Wikipedia site," he said. Well, let's just say I've found yet another reason I'm glad that my Shepard fell for the human dude and leave it at that. 

 

FemSheps romancing Garrus confirmed for the ultimate badasses.

[dzejkob]

well let be honest we cant really compare turians to any species on earth (birds or dinos) cause well you know different planet and stuff but that comic was cringy vanilka, although no one would know how really that kind of romances would work out

 

as for elcore it would be really cool specially with that description, just strap loads of missile launchers on them and reapers are no more ^^

[larsdt]

 As for Garrus' romance, I imagine it would probably go a little bit like...

 

ROFL

 

I never romance Garrus because he's my bro and sounds like a wuss in romance dialogue, but that cartoon.... That's how Garrus should have been 

[Vanilka]

well let be honest we cant really compare turians to any species on earth (birds or dinos) cause well you know different planet and stuff but that comic was cringy vanilka, although no one would know how really that kind of romances would work out

 

as for elcore it would be really cool specially with that description, just strap loads of missile launchers on them and reapers are no more ^^

 

I kid. I have no idea besides what the codex and Mordin tell us. We can only guess how the aliens work according to what kind of creature they resemble. It's not like BW releases that kind of info anyway. However, I trust that Garrusmancers and fanfic writers can make it work.

 

ROFL

 

I never romance Garrus because he's my bro and sounds like a wuss in romance dialogue, but that cartoon.... That's how Garrus should have been 

 

I prefer him as a friend, as well. I don't know about the romance dialogue. I haven't played the romance myself but, from what I've seen, he just seems somewhat surprised by Shepard's interest in him at first and tries to get gradually mentally prepared for it (She's an alien after all.), then in ME3 he turns into a big softie. I guess it's a matter of taste. It's not exactly my cup of tea because it focuses too much on sex right from the start and I prefer my romances slow and sweet instead, but, on the other hand, Garrus' friendship with benefits is based on already existing friendship and respect and eventually grows into something much more. That's pretty awesome. Well, that's in my opinion anyway.

[Dantriges]

It´s your only chance to have an awesome dance once. Garrus knew what I wanted.

[Vanilka]

It´s your only chance to have an awesome dance once. Garrus knew what I wanted.

 

I freaking hate dancing.  But I'm sure that scene appealed to many. It was fantastically done! And I was really surprised to see Garrus go all overly attached boyfriend in the Citadel DLC. And talk about having babies in London. Garrus Vakarian, I do not recognise you. While it's not exactly my kind of thing, ME3 made me understand why people liked romancing Garrus.

 

Will you adopt a baby krogan? 

[Dantriges]

It´s not my cup of tea in RL but the running gag about Shepard´s dance skills became rather annoying. Especially Joker. Yeah thanks for laughing at me, when I offered my meager skills in dancing to cover for you and your brittle leg bones.

 

I found it nice that Garrus helped you with something where Shep was lacking.

[Vanilka]

It´s not my cup of tea in RL but the running gag about Shepard´s dance skills became rather annoying. Especially Joker. Yeah thanks for laughing at me, when I offered my meager skills in dancing to cover for you and your brittle leg bones.

 

I found it nice that Garrus helped you with something where Shep was lacking.

 

I find the mocking kind of ridiculous since Joker dances exactly the same way. Garrus dances exactly the same way in the DLC. And a lot of the NPCs in general dance exactly the same way. So, why does just Shepard get picked on? Personally, I think about the only people who actually can dance in the entire franchise are Tali, Samara, and the strippers. And, I mean, who cares? Shepard's just having fun, stop giving her/him sh*t for it, maybe? 

I've always found it funny Garrus told my Shepard, "I've actually seen you dance. No comment." Because I pretty much never have her dance throughout the whole franchise because I just don't care about that sort of thing.  So, I'm like, "Really, Vakarian? And what had you been drinking that day?"

I don't need Shepard to be a perfect, untouchable, "bloody icon", but it would be nice if they didn't accuse her of stuff she's never done. Come on, I've had enough of that with Cerberus and stuff. Same with Miranda talking about Shepard killing marine life. I was like, "Wait... Wait, what?" I didn't get the joke for like two playthroughs because I've never bought fish and definitely never had them die. I actually thought she was talking about the Leviathan but... I didn't... kill those... yet. Stop making stuff up! 

 

I agree, though, it was nice to see Garrus try to help her out with it a bit without all that pointing and laughing for a change.

 

But that's a big off-topic. However, speaking of dancing... so, hey, what about different races and music and dancing? I don't assume we'd all like the same kind of sounds and moves...? And while we're at it, what about different races and courting (techniques)? How would you woo a krogan? 

[Flaine1996]

I find the mocking kind of ridiculous since Joker dances exactly the same way. Garrus dances exactly the same way in the DLC. And a lot of the NPCs in general dance exactly the same way. So, why does just Shepard get picked on? Personally, I think about the only people who actually can dance in the entire franchise are Tali, Samara, and the strippers. And, I mean, who cares? Shepard's just having fun, stop giving her/him sh*t for it, maybe? 

I've always found it funny Garrus told my Shepard, "I've actually seen you dance. No comment." Because I literally never have her dance throughout the whole franchise because I just don't care about that sort of thing.  So, I'm like, "Really, Vakarian? And what had you been drinking that day?"

I don't need Shepard to be a perfect, untouchable, "bloody icon", but it would be nice if they didn't accuse her of stuff she's never done. Come on, I've had enough of that with Cerberus and stuff. Same with Miranda talking about Shepard killing marine life. I was like, "Wait... Wait, what?" I didn't get the joke for like two playthroughs because I've never bought fish and definitely never had them die. I actually thought she was talking about the Leviathan but... I didn't... kill those... yet. Stop making stuff up! 

 

I agree, though, it was nice to see Garrus to try to help her out with it a bit without all that pointing and laughing for a change.

 

But that's a big off-topic. However, speaking of dancing... so, hey, what about different races and music and dancing? I don't assume we'd all like the same kind of sounds and moves...? And while we're at it, what about different races and courting (techniques)? How would you woo a krogan? 

 

Usually thought wooing a krogan involved loads of headbutting and showing off supreme physical fittness? and also have you seen jack dance? she got the moves XD I love shepards quirk about dancing but if you dont actually let shepard dance its just weird people comment... or there mustve been a scene where shepard was reaaallly drunk and started dancing without the players input? and Garrus can be sweet and the way shep retaliates with that scene was funny XD though i thought miranda was actually blaming you for killing the fish on the restaurant? mightve heard her wrong >.< 

[Vanilka]

Usually thought wooing a krogan involved loads of headbutting and showing off supreme physical fittness? and also have you seen jack dance? she got the moves XD I love shepards quirk about dancing but if you dont actually let shepard dance its just weird people comment... or there mustve been a scene where shepard was reaaallly drunk and started dancing without the players input? and Garrus can be sweet and the way shep retaliates with that scene was funny XD though i thought miranda was actually blaming you for killing the fish on the restaurant? mightve heard her wrong >.< 

 

Yes, I'd also assume that physical strength and perhaps size would be the way to go with the krogan. I remember the scout we find in the hospital on Tuchanka during Mordin's loyalty mission and he says that he's too small to have a shot with the females. Then again, if you make him get his sorry ass out of there, he seems to get some love when he gets to the female camp. Perhaps because he endured the trip and all the torture. I also remember everybody wants a piece of Wrex after curing the genophage and, well, he's the leader of his people and major badass. I wonder whether curing the genophage will have any influence on the state of things since the females will be able to afford to stop being picky.

 

To me, Jack just flails.   But I guess we all have a different idea of what dancing is. And that's okay.

As for Miranda, she talks about the destroyed aquarium in the restaurant, then says that killing marine life is tradition with Shepard or something like that.

[Flaine1996]

Yes, I'd also assume that physical strength and perhaps size would be the way to go with the krogan. I remember the scout we find in the hospital on Tuchanka during Mordin's loyalty mission and he says that he's too small to have a shot with the females. Then again, if you make him get his sorry ass out of there, he seems to get some love when he gets to the female camp. Perhaps because he endured the trip and all the torture. I also remember everybody wants a piece of Wrex after curing the genophage and, well, he's the leader of his people and major badass. I wonder whether curing the genophage will have any influence on the state of things since the females will be able to afford to stop being picky.

 

To me, Jack just flails.   But I guess we all have a different idea of what dancing is. And that's okay.

As for Miranda, she talks about the destroyed aquarium in the restaurant, then says that killing marine life is tradition with Shepard or something like that.

oooh will try playing through that again XD and almost forgot traynors dancing wasnt sooo bad!! anndd didnt shep also get a breeding request in tuchanka not to late to try it out eh?

[Dantriges]

I agree, though, it was nice to see Garrus try to help her out with it a bit without all that pointing and laughing for a change.

 

Yeah Shep doesn´t have many weaknesses, so him thinking about it and trying to support you, was a nice touch. And well it was a Uh what, oh wow, I didn´t expect that, moment.

[Vanilka]

Yeah Shep doesn´t have many weaknesses, so him thinking about it and trying to support you, was a nice touch. And well it was a Uh what, oh wow, I didn´t expect that, moment.

 

I understand. That's why I like the bed scenes where they show Shepard quite emotionally vulnerable and human and the love interest is there to pat them on the head when Shepard gets anxious. Especially in ME3. I think that's another instance where Garrus does quite well.

 

It's also one of the reasons why I love the Citadel DLC so much because they allow Shepard to be a bit goofy and mess up. It feels good. I enjoyed seeing my Shepard getting knocked out by Eezo and shove each other with Blasto. And having Kaidan open the gate on the parking lot just by asking the volus hidden there when she wanted to get it done with brute force...

[Vanilka]

anndd didnt shep also get a breeding request in tuchanka not to late to try it out eh?

 

Indeed. I'm not sure that a human would survive such a thing in one piece, though.  Though I certainly was flattered.

[dzejkob]

Indeed. I'm not sure that a human would survive such a thing in one piece, though.  Though I certainly was flattered.

 

maybe in two pieces xD and be ceraful cause krogan may get that blood rage hit their head

[larsdt]

Illium in ME2 gave some insiders to inter-species relationships: Bachelor party and Quarian-Turian dialogue.

 

And Tali, you might want to change the topic to something other than diseases and vomiting, if you want to hook me up.

[Dantriges]

Indeed. I'm not sure that a human would survive such a thing in one piece, though.  Though I certainly was flattered.

 

Mordin will help you with a needle, artificial insemination and DNA recombination. No one said anything about having sex, or did they?   

[Vanilka]

Mordin will help you with a needle, artificial insemination and DNA recombination. No one said anything about having sex, or did they?   

 

Dan, what the f...?!  This post inflicted physical pain upon my body. No, thank you. I... I should go!

[Dantriges]

 making Vanilka uncomfortable twice on one page, I should stop, now.

[Undead Han]

heck im very curious what all the alien races evolved from (and am i the only one who think that turians dont really look like birds maybe more of dinosaur?) Also how the hell did hanar get into spaceflight stage?!? i mean the jellies dont even have thumbs

 

those were just random thoughts that poped up when playing

 

Humans look the way we do because we evolved as persistence hunters on the open plains of Africa. Persistence hunting is a strategy where the predator obtains prey by chasing it to exhaustion. This differs from ambush predators like say lions or tigers, who use stealth and their brawn to subdue prey, or an animal like the cheetah, which obtains its prey by outrunning it in a short sprint. Humans, much like wolves and African wild dogs, were the marathon runners of the animal kingdom. We were designed to chase prey over long distances.

 

Two legs are better than four for running over long distances (four legs are better for sprinting), and our lack of body hair and sweat glands enabled human hunters to regulate their body temperature better than the prey they were chasing. 

 

Human Mammal, Human Hunter

 

Human Running Adaptations

 

How does that relate to the aliens of Mass Effect?

 

Because the way we look is determined entirely by our evolutionary history as persistence hunters on the African savanna, it would be a safe assumption that the species that look almost identical to humans, such as the Asari, also evolved as persistence hunters in a similar enviroment. If that was not the case, they wouldn't have a form so well suited to long distance running.

 

Bulkier species like the Turians or Krogan would probably have evolved as ambush predators similar to lions or tigers. They look like they are designed to physically subdue prey rather than exhaust them through long distance running.

[AlanC9]

Then we need to ask how a non-persistence hunter ends up going bipedal. Yeah, the tool use is great, but you've got to have a use for the extra limbs before that.

[Undead Han]

Then we need to ask how a non-persistence hunter ends up going bipedal. Yeah, the tool use is great, but you've got to have a use for the extra limbs before that.

 

The ancestors of Krogan and Turians might have been more like the Neanderthals.

 

 

 

Neanderthals had wide shoulders and hips and generally had a body that was more suited for short powerful burst rather than endurance running, which has led some scientists to theorize they were primarily ambush hunters.

 

Based on evidence of wounds and injuries and the stone points they used, scientists believe Neanderthals attacked their prey directly by thrusting knives and spears instead of throwing things at that at them. "They were unable to conceive of projectiles," French archaeologist Jean-Michel Geneste told National Geographic. "We don't know why." Some scientists theorize they relied more on thrusting weapons because they mostly hunted in dense forests, where setting up ambushes and fighting at close quarters makes more sense than trying to throw something through trees and bushes.

 

"Surrounding and confusing prey is a classic predatory tactic," Steve Kuhn of the University of Arizona told National Geographic. "A few cooperating hunters could have exploited natural landscape features like bogs and deep stream banks that put large animals at a disadvantage. They probably killed at close range with wooden spears that perhaps had a sharp stone point." Wooden spears had been used in Europe since 400,000 years ago.

 

Hunting large animals was dangerous business and this seems have been borne out by the large numbers of healed fractures found on Neanderthals upper limbs and skulls. Goring were probably relatively common occurrences.

 

NEANDERTHAL TOOLS, CULTURE, FOOD AND HUNTING

 

The last bit about the Neanderthals would also line up with the Krogan's regenerative abilities. Maybe they evolved it in part because they hunted large, dangerous game in close quarter ambushes.

[Dani86]

 

Humans look the way we do because we evolved as persistence hunters on the open plains of Africa. Persistence hunting is a strategy where the predator obtains prey by chasing it to exhaustion. This differs from ambush predators like say lions or tigers, who use stealth and their brawn to subdue prey, or an animal like the cheetah, which obtains its prey by outrunning it in a short sprint. Humans, much like wolves and African wild dogs, were the marathon runners of the animal kingdom. We were designed to chase prey over long distances.

 

Two legs are better than four for running over long distances (four legs are better for sprinting), and our lack of body hair and sweat glands enabled human hunters to regulate their body temperature better than the prey they were chasing. 

 

Human Mammal, Human Hunter

 

Human Running Adaptations

 

How does that relate to the aliens of Mass Effect?

 

Because the way we look is determined entirely by our evolutionary history as persistence hunters on the African savanna, it would be a safe assumption that the species that look almost identical to humans, such as the Asari, also evolved as persistence hunters in a similar enviroment. If that was not the case, they wouldn't have a form so well suited to long distance running.

 

Bulkier species like the Turians or Krogan would probably have evolved as ambush predators similar to lions or tigers. They look like they are designed to physically subdue prey rather than exhaust them through long distance running.

 

The funny thing is that the krogan have their eyes on the side of their heads suggesting that they are not predators at all but prey. It could be that Tuchanka is such a nasty place that they were prey for the even more dangerous predators there. 

[Undead Han]

The funny thing is that the krogan have their eyes on the side of their heads suggesting that they are not predators at all but prey. It could be that Tuchanka is such a nasty place that they were prey for the even more dangerous predators there. 

 

One of the codex entries on the Krogan mentioned that actually:

 

Krogan: Biology 

 

The krogan evolved in a lethal ecology. Over millions of years, the grim struggle to survive larger predators, virulent disease, and resource scarcity on their homeworld, Tuchanka, turned the lizards into quintessential survivors. Perhaps the most telling indicator of Tuchanka's lethality is the krogan eyes. Although they are a predators species by any standard definition, their eyes evolved to be wide-set, as any Earth prey species like deer and cattle. Krogan eyes have a 240-degree arc of vision, better suited for spotting enemies sneaking up on them than for pursuit.

 

Codex/Aliens: Non-Council Races

 

I thought that was a cool detail by whomever wrote their codex entry, giving a plausible explanation for what was likely just an artistic choice.