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[Kevinc62]

Yeah I would love to see some new blood in the industry

 

This, I can get behind. Would love to see new talent, especially as someone mentioned earlier, nowadays it's pretty standard for actors to do voiceovers.

[Wolfman]

Ugh. This thread.

[Han Shot First]

If voice actors get royalty payments before the programmers, artists and producers it will be a complete joke. I know that their job isn't easy but none of the people working on the game have an easy job, and the VA's aren't the ones pulling 14 hour days during crunch time. 

 

While I'm sympathetic to some of the grievances by the voice actors, such as the request to reduce the length of stressful VA sessions or striking the ridiculous ability for employers to fine them from their contracts, that royalty demand isn't one I can sympathize with. I can understand why their union is asking for it, getting a better deal for their members is after all the union's job. And I can't blame the people who work in the industry for wanting to get royalties. So would any person, in their shoes.

 

But do they deserve it?

 

No, they don't. Films are often made or broken on the talent of the actors, and the fame of some actors guarantee asses in seats when the film opens. It makes sense that they would get royalities for films, where their talent or reputation is a large part of what sells that film and makes it successful. Blockbuster films make millions off the backs of their actors.

 

That isn't really the case with voice actors in video games. While quality voice acting is important in video games, it isn't a make or break thing. No one ever buys a game because it features Martin Sheen or Liam Neeson. I seriously doubt anyone has bought a video game just because Wil Wheaton did voice acting in it, unless that person's name is Wil Wheaton. They just have a lot less to do with a game's success than actor does in a major film. Not to mention that you can have video games without voice acting and that creating a game takes an army of programmers and other computer greeks doing their thing, before anyone even worries about voice talent. The developers have much more to do with a success of a video game than the actors hired to do voice work. On that note, actors getting royalties while the devs don't would be complete and utter bullshit.

 

Reducing stressful voice sessions, taking greater safety precautions with mocap, and not giving employers the ability to fine actors are reasonable requests. The demand for royalties is just greed.

[Queen Skadi]

I seriously doubt anyone has bought a video game just because Wil Wheaton did voice acting in it, unless that person's name is Wil Wheaton.

 

To be honest putting Wil Wheaton's name on anything is more likely to serve as a deterrent to buying that game, at least it would be if anyone gave 2 --- about him and what he does.

 

Edit: Does the BSN not have a swear filter? Or is it merely broken?

Modifié par Queen Skadi, 01 octobre 2015 - 12:01 .
Mod Edit: Removed inappropriate language

[Han Shot First]

To be honest putting Wil Wheaton's name on anything is more likely to serve as a deterrent to buying that game, at least it would be if anyone gave 2 --- about him and what he does.

 

Because of Wesley Crusher?

 

I'll give him a pass on that. Wesley wasn't annoying because of his actor, he was annoying because Wesley was a blatant self-insert Gary Stu by Gene Roddenberry.

[Queen Skadi]

Because of Wesley Crusher?

 

I'll give him a pass on that. Wesley wasn't annoying because of his actor, he was annoying because Wesley was a blatant self-insert Gary Stu by Gene Roddenberry.

 

I was never big on Star Trek but I do hear he was one of the least popular aspects of the show, the reason I don't particularly care for him is because I find him kind incredibly pretentious, the kind of privileged white kid that jumps behind and lends his name to popular causes not because he truly cares about them (unless he directly stands to profit for it) but rather because they look good on his portfolio and because he thinks it will earn him brownie points with the hip crowd, fighting the fights that have already been won in the eyes of popular opinion, an SJW and a weasel in short.

 

At least that is the impression I get from him

[Wolfman]

Because of Wesley Crusher?

I'll give him a pass on that. Wesley wasn't annoying because of his actor, he was annoying because Wesley was a blatant self-insert Gary Stu by Gene Roddenberry.

Off topic, but I can't help myself...

To be fair, everyone on Star Trek is idealized since the distant future is ...ideal. Utopian. Etc. Everyone is smart. No one is fat. You never see any white and black humans getting into racial disputes. Sexism is gone. No one even gets headaches - unless there's an alien anomaly present. Dun, dunn, duuunnnnn....

Anyway, as for the self insert - meh. Luke Skywalker is a self insert and he's popular as hell. At least Roddenberry didn't make Kirk a self insert right off the bat in the 60's.

20+ years had passed. He was old and successful and built an incredible franchise. Wesley was a side character.

I honestly just thought his character was dumb because he was a kid. Same for Jake Sisco until he grew up. Alien kids were cool though - e.g. Nog and Alex.

[Wolfman]

I was never big on Star Trek but I do hear he was one of the least popular aspects of the show, the reason I don't particularly care for him is because I find him kind incredibly pretentious, the kind of privileged white kid that jumps behind and lends his name to popular causes not because he truly cares about them (unless he directly stands to profit for it) but rather because they look good on his portfolio and because he thinks it will earn him brownie points with the hip crowd, fighting the fights that have already been won in the eyes of popular opinion, an SJW and a weasel in short.

At least that is the impression I get from him

I don't have much of an opinion on him, but I've never seen him do anything so heinous as to garner quite this much scathing pre-judgement.

How much do we really *know* celebrities? Short of a criminal allegation, none of us really have a right to sit around rating celebs' integrity.

I mean....who the hell doesn't say or do something because it suits their pocketbook, portfolio, social rapport, or agenda? We all do it. I dunno. We're all hypocrites.

[Queen Skadi]

I don't have much of an opinion on him, but I've never seen him do anything so heinous as to garner quite this much scathing pre-judgement.

How much do we really *know* celebrities? Short of a criminal allegation, none of us really have a right to sit around rating celebs' integrity.

 

First impressions love, I honestly don't care about Wil Wheaton either way but that is the impression I get from him from both what he has written and how he acts, perhaps I am wrong and I have misjudged his character but based on what I have seen of him this is how he comes off.

 

I am not trying to be cruel or mean I am merely saying what I see and from what I have seen Wil Wheaton does not sound like the kind of person I really want anything to do with.

 

I mean....who the hell doesn't say or do something because it suits their pocketbook, portfolio, social rapport, or agenda? We all do it. I dunno. We're all hypocrites.

 

Perhaps you do but I don't and I really don't have much respect for the type of people who do this, I would much rather state my own opinions and support the causes I truly care about even if they are unpopular than pretend to care about causes I don't for the sake of social brownie points.

[pdusen]

Skadi's irrational attitude towards Wil Wheaton suddenly makes this whole exchange make sense.

[Queen Skadi]

Skadi's irrational attitude towards Wil Wheaton suddenly makes this whole exchange make sense.

 

Oh I am sorry Wil Wheaton is a ****** hero! What was I thinking? 

 

So what if I dislike Wil Wheaton? Not sure why I have to like the guy, I honestly could not give 2 tosses about him either way. Sue me.

[LinksOcarina]

So they have authorized the strike, doesn't mean it will happen though.

 

Doing a news story of this now for the website I write for, but this little gem has come to my attention in my research: The counter-proposal in full by the publishers to the SAG-AFTRA union, some of what Wheaton says is mentioned here.

 

http://www.sagaftra....ls_2_3_2015.pdf

 

Seems like what Wheaton was saying is also the union line for the most part.

[KaiserShep]

Because of Wesley Crusher?

 

I'll give him a pass on that. Wesley wasn't annoying because of his actor, he was annoying because Wesley was a blatant self-insert Gary Stu by Gene Roddenberry.

 

I honestly found his goofy counterpart Jake Sisko to be even more annoying, if you can believe it. Maybe it's because he had a ham for a father. 

[LinksOcarina]

So my article is posted finally.

 

Apparently a lot of people are not on board with SAG-AFTRA, because they forsee the problems voice actors have as being inferior to the issues game programmers and development studios have.Seen a few comment boards arguing against them on that.

 

I can see that as a major sticking point, but the problem though is the gaming industry is very reminiscent of a work for hire industry; few people have a stable job, they go from place to place a developer or programmer from what I gather.

 

Perhaps there needs to be some changes there too, although I doubt that very much as a lot of entertainment industries are very similar. Now the question is, will they actually go on strike.

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

I am available if Bioware needs me. I do a great Bugs Bunny, for example.

[Former_Fiend]

Because of Wesley Crusher?

 

I'll give him a pass on that. Wesley wasn't annoying because of his actor, he was annoying because Wesley was a blatant self-insert Gary Stu by Gene Roddenberry.

 

That wasn't even the problem.

 

Problem was there was a writer's strike(almost ironic). They had intended for there to only be one "Wesley saves the day" episode and, in a move that I find baffling, had three scripts written up, figuring there'd be enough good ideas between them to make a single episode. Then there was a writer's strike and they ended up having to use all three, half-assed scripts for individual episodes.

[caradoc2000]

I am available if Bioware needs me. I do a great Bugs Bunny, for example.

I don't think they need more bugs.

[Queen Skadi]

I am available if Bioware needs me. I do a great Bugs Bunny, for example.

 

Yeah I will throw my hat in the ring as well, suppose I could pull off a Krogan.

[SolNebula]

Not sure how is going to end but I'm putting here loud and clear that I'm not going to spend more than 60 bucks on a standard game because of this BS. So don't youe expect to give to their demands and pretend your customers to pay the price.

 

Dear BW/EA you can hire second rate actors or young graudates from acting schools for all I care just don't give on their union demands....you know how unions are once you give them a finger they want the entire arm.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The voice acting isn't part of making the game. 

 

It happens by magic?

 

Those are nothing but audio files added into the resources.

 

Do those audio files spontaneously reproduce on the internet, to be collected by developers when they are fully grown?

 

 

Even if they did grow by magic, "harvesting them" would still involve coding them into the game.