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[Bhryaen]

New protagonist all the way. Pass the baton!

 

I can endure the dual or- possibly, not likely- the same inquisitor suddenly level 1 again... but I don't want to have to merely endure a DA game. Even a new human-only game would be preferable to playing the same character over, and I'm strongly not in favor of that either. I mean, I get very attached to my characters- from the hours I spend at the CC with them to the far more hours I spend sight-seeing and struggling together with them in-game- and, By the Stone, the boatload of screenshots I end up taking- but if DA2 had involved playing my same (now-gutted and de-equipped) Wardens, I'd probably not have returned to DA. New protagonists are DA's thing, each new scenario requiring a hero with their own special contribution to the paving of Thedosian history. Nothing appealing about making a protagonist that plays a cameo in their own game.

 

Besides I love character creation and being with that character from start to finish... and am very happy about the finish. Going past the finish feels gratuitous. (DLCs notwithstanding...)

 

The Keep, cameos, lore mentions, and head-canon are all I need to know my previous characters made meaningful contributions to the world and remain the legends they became...

 

Not sure why people who insist on the Inky returning due to Solas weren't around making the same argument about a return of Hawke due to Corypheus- other than that they didn't tip us off to Corypheus ahead of time. And DAI went quite well storywise with nothing but a cameo from Hawke.

[Homeboundcrib]

I heard somewhere though that if they did another game that they will finish solas story and romance arc. Can't remember where though sorry.

[Super Drone]

Again, none of that assumes Solas (and certainly not the Solas/Lavellan romance) is going to be the main quest of the game.

[Homeboundcrib]

Again, none of that assumes Solas (and certainly not the Solas/Lavellan romance) is going to be the main quest of the game.

I didn't say It would be the whole game but I think it is going to play a major role though can't really drop something like that then sweep it under the rug.

[cindercatz]

I didn't say It would be the whole game but I think it is going to play a major role though can't really drop something like that then sweep it under the rug.

No more than Morrigan and the Warden. :-/ 

[Morroian]

As I said in the other thread my choice is Hawke or new protagonist. The only inquisitor that might interest me going forward would be one that romances Solas and I haven't even started that play through.

[Donk]

If we are in Tevinter.. An elven slave with a chip on her shoulder.

Or a Qunari that turns Tal Vashoth after rebelling against the Qun.

[Obsidian]

Dual protagonists is an idea I enjoy. Maybe in the way they did with GTA V.

My Inquisitor is a very skilled archer who now missed one of his arms and I don't like the idea of playing with him again, I'd prefer if he stays in an advisor role.

I'm all for seeing the Warden, Hawke and Inquisitor again. I absolutely loved when Hawke walked in Skyhold. I guess Bioware missed the chance to make him the tenth companion. 

[WardenWade]

New for me personally.  Bioware has stuck to their guns on Thedas being the main character so far, and with the Inquisition's story over per Mike Laidlaw and the Anchor gone, the Inquisitor is influential and knowledgeable but with no more special way to get to Solas than anyone else.  If the Inquisition is disbanded, another PC may even be the better choice as resources are scarce; and if the Inquisition remains it is tied to the Divine only and potentially riddled with spies.

 

Time will definitely tell, but I hope we'll play someone new--the person Solas "doesn't know" perhaps--with a likely cameo or letter from the Inquisitor.

 

And I'm always up for more news on the Warden

 

EDIT: Solas also expects the Inquisitor to pursue him; deterring him may possibly necessitate bringing in a new protagonist he doesn't expect.

[Rhidor]

Yeah, i love Dragon age 4 as a copy from Witcher 3.

Originality would statisfy everyone.

 

Yes, because Dual Protagonist is copyrighted by CDPR.

 

Following that logic, the Witcher 3 is also a copy of any Elder Scrolls game - It features an Open World.

[themikefest]

Play as an Antivan Crow sent to kill Solas. The Inquisitor will be providing the funds and information for the assassin to track and kill Solas. The Inquisitor will make a couple of cameos.

[Bhryaen]

New for me personally.  Bioware has stuck to their guns on Thedas being the main character so far, and with the Inquisition's story over per Mike Laidlaw and the Anchor gone, the Inquisitor is influential and knowledgable but with no more special way to get to Solas than anyone else.  If the Inquisition is disbanded, another PC may even be the better choice as resources are scarce; and if the Inquisition remains it is tied to the Divine only and potentially riddled with spies. 

 

Time will definitely tell, but I hope we'll play someone new--the person Solas "doesn't know" perhaps--with a likely cameo or letter from the Inquisitor.

 

And I'm always up for more news on the Warden

Thanks for the link! To quote Laidlaw from that 9/7 article directly:

 

This [he means Trespasser] is our final piece of content for the Inquisition chapter of the Dragon Age world, so it puts it in a unique space. We’re making a commitment that this is an ending, not a DLC slotted somewhere in the story. This is how it finishes. Of course, with Dragon Age, we’ve always been committed to providing an experience that has chapters, with new protagonists and news stories being told, because we see it as a series about a time and a place rather than an individual character.

See, I love that approach. My characters then only fit into Thedas' history as someone in a particular place and a particular time (a particular "chapter" of the DA ongoing novel). It's a bit humbling too, unlike if you're the one person who can ever save the universe whatsoever, like Shepard, where it's always ingratiatingly you, you, you. If you think about it, we've already been playing a "dual character" scenario in the DA setting, starting with one character, then switching to another, then another. Keep that format coming!

 

Notable is this Q&A later on:

 

How does Solas figure into all of this?
If you’ve seen the ending, you know Solas is a special circumstance. I’m not going to promise that he rejoins the party and things are great, but he will make an appearance. I know people are excited about that. Solas remains an exceedingly complicated and enmeshed character in the world. In the course of the DLC, we’re not going to wrap up his storyline – that’s just way too complicated. But we can add a lot of texture and information to it, so it isn’t just this one note of confusion. Instead, it’s an opportunity to learn more about his situation in a way that we may be able to explore in future games. If there are future games.

So, Solas is a factor, but the epilogue isn’t about him?
I would say no. You will certainly come away with a greater understanding of his situation by playing Trespasser, but it’s not just the Solas story. Instead, this is one where the crisis, the regrouping, a last hurrah, a chance to see your friends and followers, and Solas are all a part of it. Seeing how things turned out for Solas is just as much a part of the adventure as seeing how things turned out for Blackwall – it’s just that his plays out differently from the others.

Blackwall in DA4! haha

[ModernAcademic]

I want the protagonist of DA4 to be a dreamer.

[Eivuwan]

I just want Lavellan to be the one to redeem or kill Solas. Plzzz

[Homeboundcrib]

I just want Lavellan to be the one to redeem or kill Solas. Plzzz

I am with you in that

[IRON SKORPIQN]

I think BioWare should try to dual party or even a trio.

 

 

 

 

The Warden, Hero of Fereldan and his/her original crew from DAO. (Sten, Shale, Dog, Morrigan etc) 

 

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The Inquisitor, Hero of Orlais and his/her crew from DAI (Cassandra, Iron Bull, Dorian, Sera etc)

 

 

The characters inbetween such as Liliana, Varric etc should be torn between the 2 as both crews face off against each other with Ideas on how best to protect Thedas from Solas.

 

Example; Imagine Iron Bull facing off against Sten! In a battle of titanic Qunari muscle?

 

I say push boundries and make people really feel for their favorite characters, make players choose between heroes. Lets see Heroes become Villains? Lets see cross-party relationships form? Lets get complicated i say... @BioWare bring your A-GAME!

[Smudjygirl]

I really just feel like Trespasser gave out some serious mixed signals. After the end of the main game, i was fine with the thought of a new PC, it didn't bother me. That's even though my Inquisitor had romanced him, i felt no burning desire to see her again and deal with it. Sometimes Trespasser made it sound and feel like "Yeah, this is the end" and other times it was like "The Inquisitor's story isn't over yet, they have so much left to do". I know i'm not alone in this thought.

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But now, with everything Solas has put them through, the fact he lied to them even if he claimed her cared. The Inquisitor's actions are so influential in Solas' story. Solas now either hates what he feels he has to do, or is more determined than ever to do them. Everything i know about writing is telling me that the best course of action for them would be to have Solas be dealt with by the Inquisitor. The HoF story was strong because of their character motivation. They had to stop the Blight, out of Duty or because they didn't want to die. Those are good character motivations for that story. Where Hawke's story was weak was they never had any motivation besides "have to protect my family" and by Act 2, they pretty much had no family left to protect. It always felt like they were just REALLY unlucky, but didn't fit into their story. That's also pretty much why the Inquisitor's story was weak, though they had some motivation. Stopping Cory was just another "get it done" task, and it had to be the Inquisitor because of the mark. So it was weak character motivation, but it was still there. There are so many different motivations the Inquisitor could have for stopping Solas, and it works on a number of levels. To bring in a new PC just "because" makes no sense to me.

 

I can't see them making Solas a small part of the story, because that would just be repeating the mage/templar war. Build it up to be amazing, only to reach an anti-climax. On that point, there are a number of issues that they need to think about for the next game, including how the Inquisitor would be handled as NPC. From the reactions so far, a brief mention won't work and will make people antsy. A cameo won't work and will make people extremely antsy. I don't see how a dual protag would work, because at the point we'd meet Solas we'd be controlling 2 people, or one character will not be "as the player wants them to be"

 

Of course, this entire discussion is academic, because we have no idea what will go on in the next game. Pretty much all we know at this point is it won't be a case of one size fits all. And sorry for the rant. i have a couple of hours before my lecture.

[Eivuwan]

I really just feel like Trespasser gave out some serious mixed signals. After the end of the main game, i was fine with the thought of a new PC, it didn't bother me. That's even though my Inquisitor had romanced him, i felt no burning desire to see her again and deal with it. Sometimes Trespasser made it sound and feel like "Yeah, this is the end" and other times it was like "The Inquisitor's story isn't over yet, they have so much left to do". I know i'm not alone in this thought.

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But now, with everything Solas has put them through, the fact he lied to them even if he claimed her cared. The Inquisitor's actions are so influential in Solas' story. Solas now either hates what he feels he has to do, or is more determined than ever to do them. Everything i know about writing is telling me that the best course of action for them would be to have Solas be dealt with by the Inquisitor. The HoF story was strong because of their character motivation. They had to stop the Blight, out of Duty or because they didn't want to die. Those are good character motivations for that story. Where Hawke's story was weak was they never had any motivation besides "have to protect my family" and by Act 2, they pretty much had no family left to protect. It always felt like they were just REALLY unlucky, but didn't fit into their story. That's also pretty much why the Inquisitor's story was weak, though they had some motivation. Stopping Cory was just another "get it done" task, and it had to be the Inquisitor because of the mark. So it was weak character motivation, but it was still there. There are so many different motivations the Inquisitor could have for stopping Solas, and it works on a number of levels. To bring in a new PC just "because" makes no sense to me.

 

I can't see them making Solas a small part of the story, because that would just be repeating the mage/templar war. Build it up to be amazing, only to reach an anti-climax. On that point, there are a number of issues that they need to think about for the next game, including how the Inquisitor would be handled as NPC. From the reactions so far, a brief mention won't work and will make people antsy. A cameo won't work and will make people extremely antsy. I don't see how a dual protag would work, because at the point we'd meet Solas we'd be controlling 2 people, or one character will not be "as the player wants them to be"

 

Of course, this entire discussion is academic, because we have no idea what will go on in the next game. Pretty much all we know at this point is it won't be a case of one size fits all. And sorry for the rant. i have a couple of hours before my lecture.

 

I am no narrative expert, but as someone who studies psychology, my sense is that using the inquisitor as the only protagonist will have the best results for plot development, characterization, etc. But considering the percentage of people who want a new protagonist or who would be happy with just a cameo, it seems that Bioware didn't make the impact that they hoped to make with the Solas character. I am wondering if the short core story vs. the large open world exploration might have actually harmed players' attachment to the characters.

[ricijs2000]

i want to play on as inquisitor and maybe have my new arm replaced whit some awesome golem prostetic whit a reversed engineered anchor because how else am i gonna seal other breaches that are out in the rest of thedas ?? or the reason that solas now gonna rip open the veil 

[Nefla]

Lol Nefla*, Iam sure BW will find us a lovely new Hero featuring both hands, who youll love anyways. And i sure would like to see Inquisitor as a boss for new character, at least for a part of the game it would be cool to work for him.

Why? I like the idea of playing a character with an amputated limb. I paid about 1.5 million credits for this arm in SWtOR, but I would have also liked if it was just missing all together like the inquisitor's

Spoiler

More importantly I want to run with the strong connection between the Inquisitor and Solas  and the strong personal motivation to stop him that is already established. The Inquisitor being demoted to some generic quest giving/advisory/whatever NPC turns my stomach even more than her dying or disappearing never to be heard from again. They would never get an NPC inquisitor's personality right anyway so they'd have to make some generic default like they did with Revan in SWtOR.

 

Trespasser was extremely promising and set the tracks for what could potentially be an awesome game that for the first time since Jade empire has a strong personal reason for the PC to go after the antagonist rather than "this hoard/dragon/crazy person/ancient evil machines/etc...are bad so we must kill them to save the city/world/galaxy." If the inquisitor isn't the protagonist, it goes right back to "this Solas guy is trying to destroy the world, we: a random group of new heroes must stop him to save the world." BioWare's last few games haven't been good enough to satisfy my misgivings about this so if Solas' plot is in DA4 but the inquisitor isn't the protagonist then I won't buy or play it.

[Smudjygirl]

I am no narrative expert, but as someone who studies psychology, my sense is that using the inquisitor as the only protagonist will have the best results for plot development, characterization, etc. But considering the percentage of people who want a new protagonist or who would be happy with just a cameo, it seems that Bioware didn't make the impact that they hoped to make with the Solas character. I am wondering if the short core story vs. the large open world exploration might have actually harmed players' attachment to the characters.

I'm a writer (I say, i'm writing a book right now...but meh) and i can confidently tell you that character motivation of the protagonist is intrinsically tied to the success of a plot. If the character doesn't care, the reader, or player, will have no reason to care either. "Stopping the big bad" is a character motivation..but it's weak and cliche. The Inquisitor's connection to Solas, whatever it is, intensifies their motivation to stop him. Stronger motivation = stronger story.

 

I think the open world, plus the lack of opportunity to explore the Inquisitor. In Origins, we played their past, but we also got a chance to further explore it when collecting the treaties. It made the HoF more personable. Hawke was easy to bond with, i really felt sorry for them. The Inquisitor's story is removed from the open world. We get a mention of where they're from, and a few brief comments on how we felt about it, but that's all. But love for the Inquisitor has intensified after Trespasser, the stronger connection to the story made the Inquisitor a stronger character.

 

And don't worry. That is a small poll in one place (which is known to have people who are forever dissatisfied). I've seen loads of people who want the Inquisitor back on various websites, but i've also met some some people who feel it would be "weird" and "unnecessary" for a new PC in Solas' plot. They'd need to cast a wider net and ask qualitative questions if they want some real feedback on the Inquisitor.

[IRON SKORPIQN]

I am no narrative expert, but as someone who studies psychology, my sense is that using the inquisitor as the only protagonist will have the best results for plot development, characterization, etc. But considering the percentage of people who want a new protagonist or who would be happy with just a cameo, it seems that Bioware didn't make the impact that they hoped to make with the Solas character. I am wondering if the short core story vs. the large open world exploration might have actually harmed players' attachment to the characters.

 

As a student of Psychology myself, i believe you are correct. The open world as opposed to the former linear style has created prolonged periods of time without contact with party members as dialogue is scarce or rather, more spread out and thus connections are weaker. I also believe that Solas had a particularly specific disposition. A some what open-mindedness that i don't believe most gamers would have grasped all too well. 

[N7_Heartfire]

A new protagonist with the Inquisitor as a cameo appearance, similar to the Geralt & Ciri mechanic in TW3 would be my best choice.

[Rhidor]

They said they wouldn't bring the Warden back as an NPC because it's most likely too difficult... but what if he/she came back as a PC? That would work.

 

But that's most likely not going to happen. I'm fine with having a new character, but the Inquisitor does need to have a cameo. I still don't get how Hawke was so very wrong everyone seems to be disappointed. Especially with a personality that's basically divided by three I don't see how that could go wrong.

 

Don't make the Inquisitor a letter. That's just so underwhelming.

[Nixou]

They said they wouldn't bring the Warden back as an NPC because it's most likely too difficult...

 

 

That's what they said.

I suspect that the real reason they don't want to bring the Warden back is that those clamoring for his/her return the most want the invincible, infallible (i.e: boring) marysuesque embodiment of Fereldan righteous wrath they felt s/he had become by Awakening's end and the writers are simply not interested in writing this type of story.

(Now if it was up to me, I'd say "Bring back the Warden as a fallible and mortal character and boldly withstand the storm of cupcakes in the name of artistic integrity"... But it's not up to me, so the surviving HoFs probably won't get unceremoniously flattened by a wolf-shaped anvil )