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[Former_Fiend]

The Archdemon and Corypheus are quite different because the latter has a motive, reasoning etc. Even his followers have reasons, and pretty fleshed out ones, for following him.

I think it was the inverse for Origins and Inquisition. In Origins the Blight is a plot element that legitimizes you exploring the country, nominally to look for allies, it was very world-building. Plus there's a feeling of belonging when you return to the Dalish or the Circle or whatever your origin was. In Inquisition the focus seems to be more on Corypheus and stopping his schemes. Orlais and Ferelden are just there to legitimize him as a threat and to provide a reason as to why you suddenly have all these resources (which is a little unfortunate since I would have liked to see more of Orlais). There is an element of world building with the exploration of all the lore regarding the dwarves and elvhen though.

I don't think putting off the Solas stuff means it will go to waste. It just doesn't all have to be resolved by the next game. And don't forget Trespasser left us clues with all the stuff happening in Tevinter as well. That still has to be resolved as well. I for one would be disappointed if the Qunari threat was dealt with offscreen.

 

I'd definitely agree with the bolded statement; in Origins, Leliana gives a beautiful description of Val Royeaux that actually got me very excited to see it. Then in DAI we get nothing, just this tiny market place with a lakeside view. That was horrible.

 

So, going forward into Tevinter, I want to see Minrathous. Realizing that would be bigger to me than Solas and the Inquisitor making up or whatever.

 

I'd also like to say that, in regards to the Qunari, I think they are desperately in need of some wins right now. They get punked in DA2, they get punked in Iron Bull's quest, they get punked in Trespasser. They need to be tearing through the Imperium like tissue paper in the next game if Bioware wants to present them as any kind of serious thread.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's like asking how we could play a native to Ferelden in DAO, when we very easily could. There's no reason at all not to be native to Tevinter, and frankly, I can think of many more interesting RP possibilities if we are.

Not really. Most of the Origins in DAO had us as either an outsider or not in the know about many things in Ferelden. The Dwarf Noble and Dwarf Casteless had never left Orzammar, the City Elf had never left the Alienage, the Dalish Elf had never left their clan, the Mage had never left the Circle. The only one who wasn't an outsider was the Human Noble Origin, and it made no sense why they didn't understand how Ferelden worked. The only Tevinter native story that really works for the new protagonist is if they start out as a slave since then them not being educated on everything makes sense. 

[Former_Fiend]

I do rather firmly believe that all the origins/backgrounds for DA4 should have the protagonist start near the bottom of the social ladder. Not necessarily as a slave, but I think we should be low on the totem pole.

 

Except maybe the dwarf. The dwarf you could get away with having been a recently transferred member of the Ambassadorium. 

[Panda]

I want new protagonist, why I would want to continue Inquisitor? I'd rather continue my Warden and Hawke than my Inquisitors and still I'd rather than continue anyone just play with new protagonist. Isn't that what normally has happened with Dragon Age, everyone game had new protagonist?

[Ieldra]

I do rather firmly believe that all the origins/backgrounds for DA4 should have the protagonist start near the bottom of the social ladder. Not necessarily as a slave, but I think we should be low on the totem pole.

I think this could be interesting. In the three games so far, if we were human we were always upper class (or mages). While that played right into my preferences, I think it's time for something different. A mageborn slave, for instance, is a type we couldn't play anywhere else but in Tevinter.

[Nixou]

Another user, Kadan, suggested an Awakening style option. You can choose to play either Inquisitor or a new protagonist. Some dialogue, relationships, and of course, background will be different. However, the main plot will stay the same. How about that?

 

 

Too costly:

 

Let's say the protagonist of the next Dragon Age has 10.000 lines of dialogues.

 

If the Protagonist is either the Inquisitor of a substitute chosen at the players' discretion, this means that at least 60.000 lines will have to be recorded: 40.000 for every possible Quizzy's voice plus at least 20.000 for one male and one female substitute, 80.000 if the substitute gets two voices per gender.

 

Now let's say that the Inquisitor is merely a guest star PC controlled for 10% of the game: then we get 9.000 lines spoken by the new protagonist, 1.000 lines spoken by the Inquisitor when s/he gets to take the lead, and perhaps a few hundred bonus to show interactions between Quizzy & the new protagonist. Even if they maintain two potential voices per gender for the new protagonist we get 36.000 lines spoken by the New guy/gal's, 4.000 spoken by the Inquisitor plus a few hundreds of bonus lines when Quizzy and his/her successor speak/banter with one another.

Sure, they still get to hire eight voice actors, but given that the Inquisitor's VAs will have a much lower workload, there'll be less hours to pay and less resources to spend on Voices.

 

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Also - yeah, great storytelling, relegating either a boss or a major character to a chain or letters... I mean, at least in case of HoF, the letter was entirely optional.

 

 

Which was a blunder as far as I'm concerned.

Not much the fact that you can ignore the quest that leads to the letter, but the fact that it's only available to people with a surviving HoF in their world-state: it was a perfect opportunity to show players who had chosen the Ultimate Sacrifice that the Orlesian Commander was still active, and instead, they kept this character a non-entity.

 

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Only playing a Tevinter native creates a whole new problem - how are you going to play a native, when you don't know (as a player) much about the land itself?

 

 

How many people where annoyed by Wynne, Anders & Finn acting like strangers to a mage Warden, or a Dalish Inquisitor asking "Who's Mythal"?

 

I agree with the Extra Credits crowd: blank-slate, project-yourself-into characters do not work well with the kind of JRPGs in all but name that Bioware crafts. Instead of having your protagonist tell an NPC "Please explain how Teviter Politics function, Oh Great Purveyor of Exposition", have him/her say something like "<Minor Villain Name> is a member of the Publicanum: he's no Magister, just a glorified accountant": you get the political hierarchy of the Imperium summarized in one sentence and establish that the protagonist is already familiar with the place.

[Former_Fiend]

 

I think this could be interesting. In the three games so far, if we were human we were always upper class (or mages). While that played right into my preferences, I think it's time for something different. A mageborn slave, for instance, is a type we couldn't play anywhere else but in Tevinter.

 

My main reasoning for this is I believe DA4 needs to be, from a thematic and philosophical stand point, the polar opposite of DAI, which goes into why I want a new protagonist.

 

DAI is all about enforcing order. The Inquisition is an organization based around maintaining the status quo, protecting the powers that be, and opposing "chaos". There's really only one action we can take in the entire game that creates any meaningful, widespread change, and that's making Leliana Divine, and I think that's more of an argument for Leliana's sue status than anything else. 

 

DA4 needs to be about tearing down the established order and taking a sledge hammer to the status quo. We need to be agents of change, not order.

 

And that goes against everything the Inquisitor stood for. 

[Xilizhra]

 

 

 

My main reasoning for this is I believe DA4 needs to be, from a thematic and philosophical stand point, the polar opposite of DAI, which goes into why I want a new protagonist.

 

DAI is all about enforcing order. The Inquisition is an organization based around maintaining the status quo, protecting the powers that be, and opposing "chaos". There's really only one action we can take in the entire game that creates any meaningful, widespread change, and that's making Leliana Divine, and I think that's more of an argument for Leliana's sue status than anything else. 

 

DA4 needs to be about tearing down the established order and taking a sledge hammer to the status quo. We need to be agents of change, not order.

 

And that goes against everything the Inquisitor stood for. 

 

There's something to consider, though: the fourth DA game is going to be set in a different order from those of the previous games, and likely a more alien one. As such, attacking the status quo in this game would thematically feel more like trying to uphold the status quo of the previous games and spread it to Tevinter, depending on how it was done. And that would be kind of terribly preferential.

[Former_Fiend]

There's something to consider, though: the fourth DA game is going to be set in a different order from those of the previous games, and likely a more alien one. As such, attacking the status quo in this game would thematically feel more like trying to uphold the status quo of the previous games and spread it to Tevinter, depending on how it was done. And that would be kind of terribly preferential.

 

True. But that's also why I think it may be the only time in the series they might let us actually do something like that, and I'll take what I can get. I couldn't let Orlais burn, as much as I wanted to. But if I can be the first person to take Minrathous, well, that'll be a good consolation prize.

 

Only other situation I can see them allowing us to affect this kind of change would be if/when we go to the Anderfels, if only because they seem to have a real hate on for the Wardens right now for reasons that are utterly beyond me. And honestly, the Anderfels are quite literally the last place I want to visit in Thedas.

[Xilizhra]

True. But that's also why I think it may be the only time in the series they might let us actually do something like that, and I'll take what I can get. I couldn't let Orlais burn, as much as I wanted to. But if I can be the first person to take Minrathous, well, that'll be a good consolation prize.

 

Only other situation I can see them allowing us to affect this kind of change would be if/when we go to the Anderfels, if only because they seem to have a real hate on for the Wardens right now for reasons that are utterly beyond me. And honestly, the Anderfels are quite literally the last place I want to visit in Thedas.

I'd really rather support Tevinter. Not the slavery, but I do want to be allowed to support a magocracy, if for no other reason than it's no worse than any other type of government in Thedas.

[Former_Fiend]

I'd really rather support Tevinter. Not the slavery, but I do want to be allowed to support a magocracy, if for no other reason than it's no worse than any other type of government in Thedas.

 

Having that as an option isn't a terrible idea. Though ideally the end result would be a form of government open to mage and nonmage alike.

 

That being said, I don't want to be forced into supporting Tevinter anymore than I wanted to be forced into saving Orlais. Or anymore than you would want to be forced into supporting the Qunari.

[Xilizhra]

Having that as an option isn't a terrible idea. Though ideally the end result would be a form of government open to mage and nonmage alike.

 

That being said, I don't want to be forced into supporting Tevinter anymore than I wanted to be forced into saving Orlais. Or anymore than you would want to be forced into supporting the Qunari.

Given that there aren't any nonmage nobles in Tevinter, that would involve creating a more representative government than exists in any other nation. Tevinter would be an odd place to begin.

[Former_Fiend]

Given that there aren't any nonmage nobles in Tevinter, that would involve creating a more representative government than exists in any other nation. Tevinter would be an odd place to begin.

 

Which makes it the best place to start. If it can work there, it can work anywhere. And if it fails, then hey, it's Tevinter.

[Eivuwan]

http://lorastyrell.c...ragon-age-panel

 

Look at Weeke's comment. I think my hopes are dashed.

[midnight tea]

http://lorastyrell.c...ragon-age-panel

 

Look at Weeke's comment. I think my hopes are dashed.

 

Why would they be dashed? The main protagonist role for Inky was one of the more unlikely possibilities, which doesn't at all rule out their extended involvement in future installments.

[Eivuwan]

Why would they be dashed? The main protagonist role for Inky was one of the more unlikely possibilities, which doesn't at all rule out their extended involvement in future installments.

 

I thought bringing quizzy back as the next PC would be the cleanest solution. At this point, I think they will do cameo or dual protagonist with quizzy taking up no more than 20% of game time.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, that is encouraging.

 

To me, that is.

[Eivuwan]

Well, that is encouraging.

 

To me, that is.

 

I just really don't want a cameo that you can't control. I want dual protagonist with Inquisitor taking up at least 20% of the core story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would they be dashed? The main protagonist role for Inky was one of the more unlikely possibilities, which doesn't at all rule out their extended involvement in future installments.

So at best we get Bioware butchering the Inquisitor like they butchered Hawke. Oh joy of joys. 

 

Well, back to seeing Trespasser as being absolutely terrible. 

[midnight tea]

So at best we get Bioware butchering the Inquisitor like they butchered Hawke. Oh joy of joys. 

 

 

Such pessimism... There's no point assuming at this time that Inquisitor will be brought back like Hawke.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Such pessimism... There's no point assuming at this time that Inquisitor will be brought back like Hawke.

It's not pessimism, just looking at facts. So far their track record is 0 when it comes to portraying past protagonists well. I have no reason to think they will handle the Inquisitor well, especially since the Inquisitor is even trickier than Hawke is. 

[midnight tea]

It's not pessimism, just looking at facts. So far their track record is 0 when it comes to portraying past protagonists well. I have no reason to think they will handle the Inquisitor well, especially since the Inquisitor is even trickier than Hawke is. 

 

So far we only got one sample - so that's hardly a fact in a way you state it is.

 

And what about the fact that, based on DAI and previous titles, they like to experiment with format, take feedback to heart and there's nothing stopping them from improving OR doing new things - like, for example a story with multiple protagonists, or whatever else comes to their mind?

 

Really, at this point it's silly to just declare with any certainty that they'll just screw anything over (or create a flawless masterpiece for that matter), especially that the game itself is hardly in production yet.

[LilithMB]

I just really don't want a cameo that you can't control. I want dual protagonist with Inquisitor taking up at least 20% of the core story.

agreed. If we cant have the Inquisitor as MC I hope we at least get them back in some capacity under our control. I cant see a cameo working with stock enemy/romanced/friend inqy scenes. For one, as an example, I wouldnt like my lavellan romance if I didnt get control over it in Inquisition or Trespasser, even though its my favorite. I have specific ways of approaching it though. eg:always pick the tell me you dont care option, if I had to beg him I wouldnt like it as much, because I RP as much of myself as I can and couldnt connect with pleading inq as Im much more of a "Well f**k ya then" person IRL. And in Trespasser I just cant with the "so thats why he left" heart option, for more than one reason but considering I think I would have started wondering who solas was with the frescoes and some of the notes. No. So if someone forced stock friend/romanced DA4 dialogue on me it would kind of kill it and in some ways I would prefer not to see my stranger!inqy at all.

The Hawke cameo made me go cross eyed. It looks like my Hawke...sounds like him. But no. I would really be upset if that happened with the inquisitor. After Inquisition I was ready to move on see the next game through with a different protagonist (disappointing for solavellans, but ok I can live with it) but after trespasser it got way more personal. If inqy is reduced to letters and ambient dialogue or a small cameo out of my control ill be upset. And depending on how they handle it in DA4 it would all but render inqy in Trespasser and what he/she promises at the end semi pointless if someone else swoops in to fulfill those promises.

I trust PW. He did say there would be closure (for lavellan, so Im assuming all inquisitors will get some sort of closure?)But Im slightly worried about the confrontation with Solas. Why on earth and fade would he stop to listen to some rando? We will see I guess.

Also having a new protagonist that makes it a mission to stop solas would make sense, seeing as taking a wild guess they would want to survive his "plans".. but it wouldnt have the same effect on me. But like I said, we will see how they work it out.

Still a chance of dual protags

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So far we only got one sample - so that's hardly a fact in a way you state it is.

 

And what about the fact that, based on DAI and previous titles, they like to experiment with format, take feedback to heart and there's nothing stopping them from improving OR doing new things - like, for example a story with multiple protagonists, or whatever else comes to their mind?

 

Really, at this point it's silly to just declare with any certainty that they'll just screw anything over (or create a flawless masterpiece for that matter), especially that the game itself is hardly in production yet.

We have more than one sample. We have Hawke and Revan, and we kind of have the Warden(went against what many players wanted them to do after Origins). How many protagonists have they done right?

 

Patrick Weekes' comment states that he loves the "new protagonist every game" thing. Mike Laidlaw and others have expressed similar sentiment. There is no evidence that they will experiment with that format when it is a format they are perfectly happy with. 

 

I never said anything with certainty. I said at best the Inquisitor gets the Hawke treatment, implying an indeterminate range of possibilities between that and no mention whatsoever. It's silly to create assumptions that aren't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence that they will handle it well, so I'm not going to be mindlessly optimistic when there is no reason to be.

[Reznore57]

I want the Inquisitor for DA4 , and technically he wouldn't be Inquisitor anymore , since the Inquisition is disbanded or its leader is now the Divine.

 

Why?

Well simply because Trespasser set the Inquisitor as the driving force against Solas "I'll destroy everything" plans.

I don't want to deal with Solas in 2030 , so I'd rather see it done in DA4.

And I don't want to play some random guy who fight Solas for some random reasons.

I have zero interest in playing 2 PC , I have zero interest in the Inquisitor being a OOC NPC , I have zero interest in reading ridiculous codex about why the Inquisitor can't be here.

 

When I learned Hawke was in DAI , I started to cringe.After a while I thought , well there's no need to be like that perhaps it's going to be a good idea and I will enjoy it.

I did not enjoy it.

 

Hawke and the warden have been clumsily dragged through the game for a couple of years now , one was shipped to the West , and the other was shipped to Weisshaupt...

 I still remember the DA2 sequel bait "The warden and Hawke have disappeared dun dun dun!"

DAI "it was a coincidence , lol!"