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[NoForgiveness]

And I'm okay with that.

 

Okay....? 

 

do you want a cookie?

 

 

There ya go!

[Saucy_Jack]

I would prefer the inquisitor as a cameo, with a new protagonist. More than anything, I would like to see some of the companions return. Not just from DAI either. I'm looking at you, Zevran.

[The dead fish]

Spoiler

I don't like the idea of using a disability to discard a character.
We have spend a whole game with a magical hand, I would like to see a game with a "technological hand" (like the crossbow we see in the Red Jenny epilogue) maybe with different abilities depending of your class .
I think there's real gameplay possibilities here.

 

Yeah, this. Also the fact that the inquisitor is disabled after the end of dragon age inquisition act 1, is one of the reasons why I'd think his return would be awesome as the protagonist in the next game act 2 actually. That's the first thing I thought to be honest after the epilogue scene, where my inquisitor makes understand that he will try to stop Solas.

 

That's kinda badass with a deep story and an emotional and powerful meaning to me. A hero who was disabled a few years ago, who thought that " his adventures days may be over " finally came back as a fighter and leader with new circonstances, changed a bit, with a scar who'd always reminds us what we were, what we did before, and what we sacrified, and would be ready again for the real fight against the same antagonist who saved us but destroyed our previous arm. 

[Cribbian]

New protagonist and hopefully a very small number of cameos

[Former_Fiend]

Okay....? 

 

do you want a cookie?

 

 

There ya go!

 

Thank you, I appreciate that.

[SamanthaJ]

I voted for dual protagonist, because I do think the story potential regarding the Inquisitor and Solas is too good to pass up (and of course I'm biased, sue me). However, my vision of "dual protagonist" is that the Inquisitor is more of a deuteragonist or a very important boss/NPC that we have some agency over in regards to decisions and tone (to avoid the Hawke situation). I'd be happy with that since if the Solas plot is part of the next game it probably won't be the only plot. If we have to deal with things like a Qunari war and such I just don't see Inky having time for it when a perfectly good minion could deal with it. I also do really want to experience Tevinter with a fresh character, particularly one who is a native. It would be the best of both worlds.

[Dai Grepher]

New protag, so that in Dragon Age 5 all four playable characters can unite as one party.

 

Would like to see cameos of all three in DA4 though.

[Nixou]

The problem with this point is that this "epic" friendship/rivalry between the Inquisitor and Solas that people keep bringing up as the reason why the Inquisitor must come back only exists if you care enough about Solas to be such a great friend or great rival. And a lot of people just... don't.

 

 

The thing is... If the writers decide that every possible Inquisitor took Solas manipulations/betrayal personally, then every Inquisitor took Solas manipulations/betrayal personally, even those played by people who didn't care about Solas.

 

Of course, if the writers decide that every possible Inquisitor is content to retire/lead a downsized Inquisition/stick crossbow bolts into people's necks as a Jenny, then the same will apply, including to Inquisitors played by people who were fond of Solas.

 

The thing is, the Bioware writers wouldn't have structured their story the way they did if they hadn't intended to keep the Inquisitor personally involved in thwarting Solas. Now, how this involvement is portrayed (only mentioned in passing during conversation with characters from Inquisition and in the codex, with a cameo, guest star Inquisitor with a handful of branching dialogue on his/her own or as the returning protagonist) is still up for debate, but unless the series is cancelled and left unfinished, the feud between Solas and the Inquisitor will come back, if only because the people who craft the games clearly want the feud to come back at some point.

[thats1evildude]

New protag, so that in Dragon Age 5 all four playable characters can unite as one party.

 

Would like to see cameos of all three in DA4 though.

 

Half of them might be dead. That would be one grotesque reunion.

[Liadan]

I would prefer a new protagonist with the Inquisitor as a cameo.

[Sah291]

Inquisitor or dual protagonist (with one of them being the IQ) would be my preference.

Which is surprising to me because I didn't think I'd care that much about having them back, but after Trespasser I want to see more. The DLC was really good, and the character development for the IQ just got good too. A lot of complaints about DAI I saw were about how things came too easily, but now all that power behind the Quizzy, the Inquisition army and mark, have been taken away....just as the real enemy has been revealed.

As for the arm. Given the concept art for Bull, I don't think they would have done that just to criple and discard them, but because they actually thought they might do something cool with it, should they decide to use the character again.

[BloodKaiden]

New protagonist with Inquisitor as cameo, I've never had a problem with not being able to play the previous hero. Why change that now at this point?

[jlb524]

New protag (Tevinter native hopefully).

[Jaderail]

A new protagonist with where Trespasser left off feels like throwing a well-lit torch into a lake. You take all this time building up Solas' story, the Inquisitor knows Solas the best - his motivations, his personality, strengths, weaknesses. To impose the burden of finding him entirely onto another person seems like such a bad idea. To me, having a new protagonist in DA4 would feel wrong from a narrative perspective - unless DA4 didn't have anything to do with Solas (which I doubt).

 

It's like reading a book series with an overarching antagonist, only to have the second book begin with entirely new characters but with the same antagonist. You're fighting against someone you know nothing about, and there's a perfectly capable person (the Inquisitor) sitting on the sidelines. Completely different perspective. Like what? That's not how you write a story. 

 

Either way, if my Inquisitor *must* show up for a quick cameo like Hawke, then I hope it's handled better this time. I didn't like that my Hawke's story was summed up so easily and that the events between games were just like passing thoughts. It didn't feel like Hawke, it felt like a random NPC. 

 

My choice is either inquisitor again, or dual protagonists.

[Former_Fiend]

I think it's fully possible to continue the Inquisitor/Solas story without the Inquisitor being a playable character.

 

I'd liken it to the relationship between Obi-Wan and Anikan/Darth Vader. You have the friendship or rivalry, the betrayal/revelation, and then move on with Obi-Wan moving from the position of protagonist to the position of mentor guiding a new hero against his old friend-turned-enemy, and it's ultimately Luke, not Obi-Wan, who defeats Vader(spoiler alert). 

[Nixou]

I voted for dual protagonist, because I do think the story potential regarding the Inquisitor and Solas is too good to pass up (and of course I'm biased, sue me). However, my vision of "dual protagonist" is that the Inquisitor is more of a deuteragonist or a very important boss/NPC that we have some agency over in regards to decisions and tone (to avoid the Hawke situation). I'd be happy with that since if the Solas plot is part of the next game it probably won't be the only plot. If we have to deal with things like a Qunari war and such I just don't see Inky having time for it when a perfectly good minion could deal with it. I also do really want to experience Tevinter with a fresh character, particularly one who is a native. It would be the best of both worlds.

 

I agree.

If anything, I suspect the next game will be mostly Tevinter Vs Qunari before GanonSolas hijacks the plot and justifies the Inquisitor coming back personally into the fray

 

***

 

Half of them might be dead. That would be one grotesque reunion.

 

 

That's what substitute characters are for.

Warden's dead? Bring back the Orlesian Warden (and give him/her a personality this time)

Hawke's dead? Bring back Stroud (and give him enough screen time to be remembered for more than his 'stache)

[Jaderail]

I think it's fully possible to continue the Inquisitor/Solas story without the Inquisitor being a playable character.

 

I'd liken it to the relationship between Obi-Wan and Anikan/Darth Vader. You have the friendship or rivalry, the betrayal/revelation, and then move on with Obi-Wan moving from the position of protagonist to the position of mentor guiding a new hero against his old friend-turned-enemy, and it's ultimately Luke, not Obi-Wan, who defeats Vader(spoiler alert). 

 

It's a little different though, since this is a game about making choices. And Luke wasn't some foreign character sitting out in the middle of nowhere waiting for his chance to kill Vader. We knew Luke from the beginning, and Obi-wan was introduced as a side character. The story was fleshed out before the battle, so having one person take the responsibility to kill Vader in the place of the person who might have more invested in that antagonistic relationship wasn't unexpected. 

 

We knew Luke before Empire Strikes Back happened, and Obi-wan was dead. Luke is more the protagonist than Obi-wan so it's expected of Luke to kill Vader.

 

Now compare that to Inquisition, we'll say Solas is hidden Vader and the Inquisitor is Obi-wan. You have the buildup of their story throughout the first game (Inquisitor not knowing who Solas is til the end of the first act) and then you start the second act with an *entirely new person who likely has nothing invested in the story thus far* take over to kill Vader when Obi-wan is still alive and perfectly capable of doing so. It's not like having Luke come in to finish it for you, because the new protagonist has never even been introduced.

 

It's just weird to have someone new come in an take over from such a crucial point in the story.

[Raege]

I voted dual protagonists and thought I preferred it, but the more I think about it the more I want to keep the inquisitor as the protagonist.

 

Tresspasser ended in a very "to be continued" style with two important decisions being made near the end. I wasn't left feeling neither of my main inquisitor's stories were over. My Trevelyan seemed to be pretty determined to kill Solas to protect the world and her future with Cullen and my Lavellan definitely wasn't done with him yet. 

 

I wouldn't be against doing it Awakening's style and letting people roll a new character of generic background if they so wished tho. It would keep everyone happy and make more sense for new players too. Yeah, I think this would be my ideal solution to the problem.

 

One thing I don't want tho is the Hawke treatment. Or the treatment the Warden got either tbh. I don't want my beloved quizzies to be turned into some mindless NPC that completely breaks character or any disappearance BS.

 

Edit: Also like other have said it would just feel weird pursuing Solas and  trying not to meta-game with the knowledge I already have of him with a new character.

[NKnight7]

I have a feeling most of the cast for DA4 will be new, with some cameos that previous DA games have had. Trespasser gives almost everyone a nice conclusion to their story, and because of that I expect a mostly new cast for the next DA.

[Former_Fiend]

It's a little different though, since this is a game about making choices. And Luke wasn't some foreign character sitting out in the middle of nowhere waiting for his chance to kill Vader. We knew Luke from the beginning, and Obi-wan was introduced as a side character. The story was fleshed out before the battle, so having one person take the responsibility to kill Vader in the place of the person who might have more invested in that antagonistic relationship wasn't unexpected. 

 

We knew Luke before Empire Strikes Back happened, and Obi-wan was dead. Luke is more the protagonist than Obi-wan so it's expected of Luke to kill Vader.

 

Now compare that to Inquisition, we'll say Solas is hidden Vader and the Inquisitor is Obi-wan. You have the buildup of their story throughout the first game (Inquisitor not knowing who Solas is til the end of the first act) and then you start the second act with an *entirely new person who likely has nothing invested in the story thus far* take over to kill Vader when Obi-wan is still alive and perfectly capable of doing so. It's not like having Luke come in to finish it for you, because the new protagonist has never even been introduced.

 

It's just weird to have someone new come in an take over from such a crucial point in the story.

 

Firstly I'd like to thank you for pre-bolding the section I would have bolded anyway.

 

Secondly, you can't make that statement in absolute certainty. We have no idea how a hypothetical new protagonist will be introduced, what background they may or may not have, that can give them an investment in the story and a reason to take Solas down.

 

Let's look at Inquisition for a pretty good demonstration of this.

 

Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor, early on in development. Not everyone believes this, but it's true. Hawke had a pre-existing investment in the Mage/Templar conflict, Hawke had a conflict with Corypheus. And Hawke, for whatever reason, was passed over in favor of a new protagonist. They gave that new protagonist a reason to be there, an investment in the story that was equal or greater than Hawke's ever was.

 

They can do the same again. I'm not going to spit ball ideas here because that isn't my job, but I'm fully confident that they could incorporate a new protagonist in such a way that it would be satisfactory, while still giving closure to the Solas/Inquisitor relationship. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is doable.

[Jaderail]

I agree it's doable, my point is to illustrate how strange it is from a story-telling perspective. The difference with Hawke's position in the story is that Corypheus was thought to be dead at the end. The story more or less came to a close, for better or worse for Hawke because Hawke's entire story took place in Kirkwall and we left with a relatively peaceful city, and with the thought that Corypheus was dead.

 

The mage-templar conflict was only temporarily resolved in Inquisition, it was more of a side story, get one or the other to help you fight Corypheus and close the breach. It wasn't and probably never will be completely resolved. It was a large theme in Dragon Age 2, but it wasn't the main plot of Inquisition either. It wasn't passing that torch to the next game/protagonist to be resolved.

 

Really, what I'm trying to say is that we left DA2 and it's dlcs thinking all the big problems were more or less solved. We left Inquisition and it's dlcs with questions in regards to Solas and with decisions that really only affect the Inquisitor's story - help or kill Solas, disband or keep the Inquisition going. And then stabbing the map and saying "we'll kill/save Solas from himself". It's such a strange place to leave a story, only to have it picked up by someone else.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to work something in, just that if they did it wouldn't make a lot of sense from a story-telling perspective. It feels like a waste of a good buildup.

[AllThatJazz]

Firstly I'd like to thank you for pre-bolding the section I would have bolded anyway.

 

Secondly, you can't make that statement in absolute certainty. We have no idea how a hypothetical new protagonist will be introduced, what background they may or may not have, that can give them an investment in the story and a reason to take Solas down.

 

Let's look at Inquisition for a pretty good demonstration of this.

 

Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor, early on in development. Not everyone believes this, but it's true. Hawke had a pre-existing investment in the Mage/Templar conflict, Hawke had a conflict with Corypheus. And Hawke, for whatever reason, was passed over in favor of a new protagonist. They gave that new protagonist a reason to be there, an investment in the story that was equal or greater than Hawke's ever was.

 

They can do the same again. I'm not going to spit ball ideas here because that isn't my job, but I'm fully confident that they could incorporate a new protagonist in such a way that it would be satisfactory, while still giving closure to the Solas/Inquisitor relationship. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is doable.

But it would be pointless tautology (and in my view poor storytelling) to do that. They spend an entire game building a personal reason to go after Solas, only to spend the next game doing the exact same thing with a different protag. Why? When they already have a capable protagonist who already has that motivation? Hawke's situation was different, in that DA2 didn't perform well enough, and wasn't well-received enough, for the idea to take root. Not so with Inquisition. There's also the nature of the relationship. Hawke's relationship with Corypheus began and ended with the fact that he/she was accidentally responsible for releasing him (in a single piece of dlc) - there was no game-spanning kinship there, no camaraderie, no long-standing association. And even then, though we didn't get Hawke him/her self for long, we did spend the entire game with Varric, as Hawke's 'proxy' in Inquisition.

 

Maybe a similar proxy character could be used in DA4 - but then there's something lacking. Varric's relationship with Corypheus was the same as Hawke's - both released the guy so feel responsible. But that's the extent of it. There is no-one else in the Inquisition who has the same connection with Solas - he's responsible for the mark on their hand that led to the Inquisitor losing a limb; he's engaged with them (specifically) as a foe, friend or lover.

 

Edit: Yep, and what Sah said below me (sorry Sah, out of likes). Corypheus did suffer as an antagonist precisely because of the lack of a personal connection between him and the protagonist. Let's not go that route again. 

[Sah291]

Firstly I'd like to thank you for pre-bolding the section I would have bolded anyway.
 
Secondly, you can't make that statement in absolute certainty. We have no idea how a hypothetical new protagonist will be introduced, what background they may or may not have, that can give them an investment in the story and a reason to take Solas down.
 
Let's look at Inquisition for a pretty good demonstration of this.
 
Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor, early on in development. Not everyone believes this, but it's true. Hawke had a pre-existing investment in the Mage/Templar conflict, Hawke had a conflict with Corypheus. And Hawke, for whatever reason, was passed over in favor of a new protagonist. They gave that new protagonist a reason to be there, an investment in the story that was equal or greater than Hawke's ever was.
 
They can do the same again. I'm not going to spit ball ideas here because that isn't my job, but I'm fully confident that they could incorporate a new protagonist in such a way that it would be satisfactory, while still giving closure to the Solas/Inquisitor relationship. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is doable.

They could, I just don't think I would find it as satisfying, personally. I did feel like the relationship and character development for Cory suffered without Hawke, and also robbed the Quizzy of some much needed character development as well since from their perspective Cory was just a random big bad. They used this to their advantage though, packing a punch by revealing one of your inner circle being behind it all....would be a shame to waste that.

[Former_Fiend]

Ugh. 

 

End of the day, Solas is nothing to me but a maniac suffering from a Messiah and Martyr complex. I don't want any part in a storyline that forces me to treat him as anything more than that.

[Jaison1986]

Ugh. 

 

End of the day, Solas is nothing to me but a maniac suffering from a Messiah and Martyr complex. I don't want any part in a storyline that forces me to treat him as anything more than that.

 

Something tells me you will be disappointed then. The writers are doing their hardest to make Solas this tragic character that you sympathize with.