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[Fiery Phoenix]

Was most of it due to ME2?

Bingo!

[Morty Smith]

Doesn´t really matter what people want, it´ll be a new protagonist.

[Oswin]

Inquisitor could be said to be irrelevant now as well just as much as Hawke.

 

Not in regards to Solas if you picked the redemption line. 

Sure, if you never befriended the guy and just picked the option to kill him then it really doesn't matter who sticks the knife in. By all means, pass the torch.

 

But for those that didn't, Solas says he hopes YOU prove him wrong. Not some new protagonist. You. That makes the IQ slightly less irrelevant for many players. They've started something that only really makes sense for them to help finish. 

 

Both Hawke and the Warden? Potentially dead. The game also makes it clear that it wants people that Solas doesn't know to help stop him. Solas knows a living Hawke so that also cancels them out. Warden? Potentially could help, but I can't see why they would. If they haven't found a cure for the Calling their time is limited. There's also so many variables of where they could be. Queen/King, Married to the Divine, Off being a family with Morrigan, off with Zevran. There would really need to be a good reason for them showing up in Tevinter. But I just don't see them bringing this character back again. Too many ways it could go wrong.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Doesn´t really matter what people want, it´ll be a new protagonist.

Also true.

 

I'm honestly not sure why this is being debated in the first place, seeing as how we already know the answer. But I suppose it's a discussion nonetheless.

[Former_Fiend]

 

But for those that didn't, Solas says he hopes YOU prove him wrong. Not some new protagonist. You. That makes the IQ slightly less irrelevant for many players. They've started something that only really makes sense for them to help finish. 

 

 

 

Forgive my bluntness, but f*ck what Solas hopes for. The fact that he hopes for it is another reason for me to not give it to him.

[Eivuwan]

Also true.

 

I'm honestly not sure why this is being debated in the first place, seeing as how we already know the answer. But I suppose it's a discussion nonetheless.

 

Nothing is for sure. They DID consider using Hawke in DAI, but scrapped it. DAI is more popular than DA2 so things could change for the next game.

[Oswin]

 

Forgive my bluntness, but f*ck what Solas hopes for. The fact that he hopes for it is another reason for me to not give it to him.

 

Meh. I personally enjoyed the friendship between my Inquisitor and Solas and want to see them meet up again. It'd make a nice change for a character I like to be the one that returns and gets some plot. Instead of always getting stuck with the Lelianas/Liaras of the gaming world. 

I didn't get any closure for either of my IQ's at the end of Trespasser. They didn't get to marry anyone, or go live with some dog in a hut somewhere. They were just left with nothing. My HoF got an ending. Even Hawke seems to be finished with his business now. So while I want a new protagonist for DA4, because I want to play as someone from Tevinter, I also want to get my closure for my IQ with some degree of control over what they do. We can't all be Cullenmancers after all.

[AllThatJazz]

Well, they've already tried three times with Mass Effect
 
And while I loved the ME trilogy as much as the next guy, you have to admit Shepard was generally poorly developed as a protagonist, save for a few very specific instances.

Different teams though. PW didn't lead Mass Effect. Personally, I think it would be worth DA trying something new, either returning protagonist or dual/ secondary protagonist, rather than game after game after game following basically the same formula. To see if they could succeed where, for some, ME failed, if nothing else. But also because I think that failing at something doesn't mean you should stop trying, you should just try harder.

But I do understand that, despite my own preferences, the chances are that DA4 will have a new protagonist and a computer controlled cameo from the Inquisitor in which I will not recognise the character I spent 100 hours plus creating. Sucks for me I guess, and I will see it as a horribly missed opportunity to build on something set out fantastically in Trespasser, but ah well.

[Former_Fiend]

Meh. I personally enjoyed the friendship between my Inquisitor and Solas and want to see them meet up again. It'd make a nice change for a character I like to be the one that returns and gets some plot. Instead of always getting stuck with the Lelianas/Liaras of the gaming world. 

I didn't get any closure for either of my IQ's at the end of Trespasser. They didn't get to marry anyone, or go live with some dog in a hut somewhere. They were just left with nothing. My HoF got an ending. Even Hawke seems to be finished with his business now. So while I want a new protagonist for DA4, because I want to play as someone from Tevinter, I also want to get my closure for my IQ with some degree of control over what they do. We can all be Cullenmancers after all.

 

Honestly, I haven't played Trespasser yet, and it's doubtful I will. Spoiled myself with it on youtube in regards to the confrontation with Solas and the stinger, but I have no idea what any of the epilogues say.

 

So I have no idea what they'd say about my Cassandra-mancing vashoth warrior.

[Jaderail]

I personally like playing the same main character, I get more attached to them and more invested in their story. That's not to say that I don't like playing new characters either, but Dragon Age doesn't seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on our character's past (at least not since Origins). We are basically left with a character that we shape through our future actions, and by this logic it doesn't really matter *who* is the main character as much as it matters which choices you've made and how you've shaped them by the end of your game. 

 

In other words, Hawke and the Inquisitor are sort of blank slates when we start, and we mold their personality. We know very little of their past, and there is almost no emphasis on it. Essentially, they are the same character but put in different scenarios with different choices. In DA4 would it really be that different if you played a new character? You might come from Tevinter but it's likely there's not going to be a lot of emphasis on the specifics and therefore little to no pre-built character history. So, you're starting with another blank slate as opposed to playing as the Inquisitor again, whom you've already molded a certain way and who has a more personal backstory. 

 

I'm pretty much speculating though, it's likely we'll be able to pick our race again in DA4 and most likely we wont have an origin story like the first Dragon Age, but I could be wrong. 

[Former_Fiend]

I honestly don't think I can fit enough "much"'s in here  to fully convey how much I would prefer having a new clean slate than continuing with the Inquisitor.

[Homeboundcrib]

I would live to play as the inqusitior again I am way more attached to this character then Hawke or the HoF there stories to me where finished, as where the inqusitiors is left wide open and doesn't really seemed closed especially after tresspasser where you can choose to redeem solas or kill him the whole thing to me seems personal and Solas wants you the inqusitior to prove him wrong again. I just hope we get that option.

[Former_Fiend]

You know what would be the best way to prove Solas wrong? Getting someone else to prove him wrong.

 

Solas' problem is he thinks the Inquisitor is unique. Showing him that there are other people with that kind of greatness in them would be a huge blow to Solas' resolve.

[JeffZero]

When I think of the word "cameo" I tend to think of smaller stuff than what was provided for Hawke in DA2. I don't know, maybe that's just me.

 

In any case, Hawke-level would be OK. I'd prefer the Inquisitor returns as a DAI-esque advisor, albeit from roughly the second act of the story onward (gives the new protagonist breathing room and time to develop beforehand) but that'd be pretty damn tough to do, I think.

[DragonKingReborn]

Inquisitor cameo - like Hawke, maybe slightly more.  As mentioned above - the way Trespasser can end leaves little room for hoping the Inquisitor will be the PC again.  Or that any of the companions will be back.

 

My theory (and maybe others as well, this is the first story thread I've checked in a fair while) that whatever the choice with regards to the Inquisitions fate at the end of Trespasser, the Inquisitors cameo will be as early quest giver to new protagonist.  Find Solas and stop/help/whatever him.

 

Perhaps we'll be one of the new Seekers of Truth, would sort of fit....

[Former_Fiend]

I'm really hoping we're not part of an Inquisition-like organization again. I felt the Inquisition was a restrictive force on our agency. 

 

While I am fine with the Inquisitor being in an advisory role, I don't want to have to subscribe to their values. In fact I'd like to go in a direction that is very, very counter to the Inquisition's values. The Inquisition as an organization was built around maintaining the status quo and opposing "agents of chaos". 

 

I want our new protagonist and our new party to be agents of change, working against the establishment.

[Moirin]

I was totally prepared to retire my Inquisitor. Kill her off, have her disappear, whatever. Then Trespasser happened. Now, I either need my Inquisitor back as a protagonist, need a dual protagonist, or if my Inquisitor shows up in cameos I HAVE to control what she says.

 

I'm tired of forcing my new protagonists to create a "happy ending" for my last protagonists, and I really can't see why a new protagonist would want to redeem Solas for my Inquisitor when it would probably be simpler to try to kill him.

 

That being said, I can live with a new protagonist, but my Inquisitor HAS to be involved in some way with hunting down Solas, and my Inquisitor HAS to be there when Solas is finally being confronted, and I HAVE to be the one controlling what my Inquisitor says, so she's not OOC. I'm not sure I will come out satisfied otherwise.

[Homeboundcrib]

I was totally prepared to retire my Inquisitor. Kill her off, have her disappear, whatever. Then Trespasser happened. Now, I either need my Inquisitor back as a protagonist, need a dual protagonist, or if my Inquisitor shows up in cameos I HAVE to control what she says.

I'm tired of forcing my new protagonists to create a "happy ending" for my last protagonists, and I really can't see why a new protagonist would want to redeem Solas for my Inquisitor when it would probably be simpler to try to kill him.

That being said, I can live with a new protagonist, but my Inquisitor HAS to be involved in some way with hunting down Solas, and my Inquisitor HAS to be there when Solas is finally being confronted, and I HAVE to be the one controlling what my Inquisitor says, so she's not OOC. I'm not sure I will come out satisfied otherwise.

Yes I agree with you though I would
Rather the inqusitior straight up but that is unlikely and I don't want the Inqusitior to pop up for 15 mins then see you and have no control over them. if they do the who dual protags I want control over what they say too.

[Eivuwan]

I was totally prepared to retire my Inquisitor. Kill her off, have her disappear, whatever. Then Trespasser happened. Now, I either need my Inquisitor back as a protagonist, need a dual protagonist, or if my Inquisitor shows up in cameos I HAVE to control what she says.

 

I'm tired of forcing my new protagonists to create a "happy ending" for my last protagonists, and I really can't see why a new protagonist would want to redeem Solas for my Inquisitor when it would probably be simpler to try to kill him.

 

That being said, I can live with a new protagonist, but my Inquisitor HAS to be involved in some way with hunting down Solas, and my Inquisitor HAS to be there when Solas is finally being confronted, and I HAVE to be the one controlling what my Inquisitor says, so she's not OOC. I'm not sure I will come out satisfied otherwise.

 

This is EXACTLY how I feel! I want to both redeem and kill Solas depending on how I am feeling at the moment and it has to be the Inquisitor who does it. goddamnit!

[Former_Fiend]

There is one assumption that I think people are taking for granted; that even being in control of the Inquisitor, all the options they give you will be what you consider "in character."

[Eivuwan]

There is one assumption that I think people are taking for granted; that even being in control of the Inquisitor, all the options they give you will be what you consider "in character."

 

Eh, if it's the same writers, I'm not really worried about being able to stay in character.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, I don't consider any of the dialogue options in the final conversation with Solas to be in character for my Inquisitor, being that there's no "You're a monster", "You're a madman", "You're no better than Corypheus", "*Spit in Solas's face*" options. Just "You used us" and "I'll stop you".

 

So that ship's already sailed as far as I'm concerned.

[Morroian]

This is EXACTLY how I feel! I want to both redeem and kill Solas depending on how I am feeling at the moment and it has to be the Inquisitor who does it. goddamnit!

 

One could well have said the same regarding Hawke and Corypheus.

[Former_Fiend]

And I did say the same thing regarding the Warden and Flemeth.

 

Hell, I would rather the Warden kill Solas than the Inquisitor for that.

[Bhryaen]

I was totally prepared to retire my Inquisitor. Kill her off, have her disappear, whatever. Then Trespasser happened. Now, I either need my Inquisitor back as a protagonist, need a dual protagonist, or if my Inquisitor shows up in cameos I HAVE to control what she says.

 

I'm tired of forcing my new protagonists to create a "happy ending" for my last protagonists, and I really can't see why a new protagonist would want to redeem Solas for my Inquisitor when it would probably be simpler to try to kill him.

 

That being said, I can live with a new protagonist, but my Inquisitor HAS to be involved in some way with hunting down Solas, and my Inquisitor HAS to be there when Solas is finally being confronted, and I HAVE to be the one controlling what my Inquisitor says, so she's not OOC. I'm not sure I will come out satisfied otherwise.

I think I can agree with this to this degree: if the Inky returns for a cameo, don't make the encounter a situation in which they're making decisions that might clash with those that the player might have selected otherwise. I'm not partial to my Hawke cameos in DAI except for the one that is supposed to be the Hawke I actually played in DA2 (I only played through DA2 once), but the Fade sequence in DAI does make Hawke take a position that I as a player may very well not have taken if I'd been controlling her. If we meet the Inky in, say, a battle we stumble onto or finding them recovering from the missing arm in some remote cabin or something, and they just wish us well on our way, giving us advice or important information or lore, that'd be neutral enough. But making them the one to confront Solas while we watch or be our boss making decisions about the course of the game... not so neutral.

 

I'd love a cameo by my Inky and have no interest in playing them, just enjoying encountering them in their new life, having only my new protagonist's knowledge or appreciation of them. But I wouldn't like a cameo that looks different from my IQ. The longer and more involved the cameo, the more likelihood of disparity that way.

 

That said, the Hawke cameo was pretty cool...