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[Eivuwan]

One could well have said the same regarding Hawke and Corypheus.

 

It's not a parallel comparison. Besides, these are just feelings. There is no right or wrong about how you feel about a character or situation. So I don't know what the debate is.

[Eivuwan]

Well, I don't consider any of the dialogue options in the final conversation with Solas to be in character for my Inquisitor, being that there's no "You're a monster", "You're a madman", "You're no better than Corypheus", "*Spit in Solas's face*" options. Just "You used us" and "I'll stop you".

 

So that ship's already sailed as far as I'm concerned.

 

The game can't please everyone. I just hope they give Inquisitor more than a cameo appearance considering that it seems like 45% of the players want more than that. It's not the majority, but it's still a good percentage.

[Former_Fiend]

You know, I think back to Joss Whedon, and how his works are such a big influence on Bioware and Dragon Age, especially, and a thought occurs to me. 

 

Joss was always real big on subverting the idea that someone could only die at the hands of their arch rival; however personal or bitter the feud between two people, they could be killed by any old bullet or blade fired or swung by any old shmuck. 

 

With that in mind I could see it being fully appropriate that the Inquisitor not be involved in Solas' defeat, however much Solas hopes they will be. Hell, that could even be what leads to his downfall; so concerned about keeping the Inquisitor off his trail that he leaves himself open for attack from someone he believed beneath notice.

 

Of course, that's looking at it solely from the "kill Solas" angle. Would need some tweaking to work with redemption.

[Eivuwan]

You know, I think back to Joss Whedon, and how his works are such a big influence on Bioware and Dragon Age, especially, and a thought occurs to me. 

 

Joss was always real big on subverting the idea that someone could only die at the hands of their arch rival; however personal or bitter the feud between two people, they could be killed by any old bullet or blade fired or swung by any old shmuck. 

 

With that in mind I could see it being fully appropriate that the Inquisitor not be involved in Solas' defeat, however much Solas hopes they will be. Hell, that could even be what leads to his downfall; so concerned about keeping the Inquisitor off his trail that he leaves himself open for attack from someone he believed beneath notice.

 

Of course, that's looking at it solely from the "kill Solas" angle. Would need some tweaking to work with redemption.

 

Considering that Weekes is the main person responsible for Solas' character as well as for the Lavellan romance, I think his style is more relevant to Solas' future character development. I think Weekes will understand why some players need their inquisitors to be the one to defeat Solas.

[NoForgiveness]

Well, I don't consider any of the dialogue options in the final conversation with Solas to be in character for my Inquisitor, being that there's no "You're a monster", "You're a madman", "You're no better than Corypheus", "*Spit in Solas's face*" options. Just "You used us" and "I'll stop you".

So that ship's already sailed as far as I'm concerned.

Actually you can attack him right off the bat... doesn't work but you can try.. And you can call him a monster later.. or something, I don't remember the exact line. It was like 3 seconds after calling him a hero too..

[Former_Fiend]

Actually you can attack him right off the bat... doesn't work but you can try.. And you can call him a monster later.. or something, I don't remember the exact line. It was like 3 seconds after calling him a hero too..

 

Yeah, the attack was disappointing.

 

And I didn't see the monster line. Must have missed it. Still I would have liked a specific, "You're no better than Corypheus" line, as I think that would have been a better dig.

 

Point being, I wasn't particularly satisfied with the harshness of the anti-solas options in the playthroughs I watched. Even the special dialogue for playthroughs where you punched him.

[Former_Fiend]

Considering that Weekes is the main person responsible for Solas' character as well as for the Lavellan romance, I think his style is more relevant to Solas' future character development. I think Weekes will understand why some players need their inquisitors to be the one to defeat Solas.

 

But will he understand people who don't want their Inquisitor to be part of that? I don't think so.

 

I like Weekes. I really do. He wrote some of my favorite ME characters, and one of my favorite DA characters(Iron Bull). But he didn't get me hooked with Solas at all. I know he got a lot of people hooked with Solas, so he did something right, but I'm not one of them.

[Eivuwan]

But will he understand people who don't want their Inquisitor to be part of that? I don't think so.

 

I like Weekes. I really do. He wrote some of my favorite ME characters, and one of my favorite DA characters(Iron Bull). But he didn't get me hooked with Solas at all. I know he got a lot of people hooked with Solas, so he did something right, but I'm not one of them.

 

I think he got a lot of women hooked on Solas lolll.

[Former_Fiend]

Another issue that I think lends itself more towards a new protagonist as the primary; accounting for people who buy the next game who haven't played DAI.

 

No one who goes into that game without having played DAI is going to have a fraction of the investment in Solas' story that even I have. So they're going to need to establish it all over again, to some extent, and that would work better through a proxy; learning about the Inquisitor's relation through the lens of the new protag.

[Eivuwan]

Another issue that I think lends itself more towards a new protagonist as the primary; accounting for people who buy the next game who haven't played DAI.

 

No one who goes into that game without having played DAI is going to have a fraction of the investment in Solas' story that even I have. So they're going to need to establish it all over again, to some extent, and that would work better through a proxy; learning about the Inquisitor's relation through the lens of the new protag.

 

There's really no perfect solution considering how Bioware wrote their story.

[Former_Fiend]

I'll take the solution that involves me not playing as the Inquisitor.

 

I suppose I could stand dual protagonist if we were talking no more than a 80/20 split in favor of the new protagonist, but that's still more than I'd prefer.

[The Ascendant]

I wouldn't object to the Inquisitor appearing in a cameo, but we've seen enough of Hawke and the Warden's tale is generally finished, aside from Morrigan and her former OGB.

New land means new faces, new people and new culture, ergo new character protagonist.

[Nixou]

that after-credits stinger is what makes zero sense in this situation. The cognitive dissonance between "your Inquisitor let go of everything and went off to chase that rainbow" and the following "wait no they didn't actually they're still having little egg-obssessed secret cabal meetings"

 

 

Your Inquisitor may want nothing more than open a kennel and raise Mabari puppies wit Cullen, but that plan may go sour if Solas succeeds in burning the world down.

So no, even in your case, the egg-hunting cabal makes sense.

[riverbanks]

I didn't get any closure for either of my IQ's at the end of Trespasser. They didn't get to marry anyone, or go live with some dog in a hut somewhere. They were just left with nothing. My HoF got an ending. Even Hawke seems to be finished with his business now. So while I want a new protagonist for DA4, because I want to play as someone from Tevinter, I also want to get my closure for my IQ with some degree of control over what they do. We can't all be Cullenmancers after all.

 

Why so much salt, though? We weren't even really bringing romances into the discussion.

 

If we must, then: we can't all be Solasmancers either, and the vast majority of players aren't. That's always a good perspective to keep in mind before thinking that the whole series must shape itself around any one single romance. Morrigan romancers in DAO thought DA2 would be about the resolution of their romance, Anders romancers in DA2 thought DAI would be about the resolution of theirs... I'm just saying, might wanna keep expectations in check, because DA4 will not be Solavellan: The Game. This series is about more than just who we romance.

[riverbanks]

 

Your Inquisitor may want nothing more than open a kennel and raise Mabari puppies wit Cullen, but that plan may go sour if Solas succeeds in burning the world down.

So no, even in your case, the egg-hunting cabal makes sense.

 

lol you guys real salty about the dog, aren't you. Is this because you didn't get a dog too? I'm sure Cullen will let your Inquisitor play with the dog every now and then, he's a nice dude. He might even give your Inquisitor a little mabari puppy from his dog's first litter for their next birthday! Everyone gets dogs, everyone is happy.

[JadeDragon]

new protagonist with inquisitior making a appearance similar to Hawke after the new hero established there feats and if there joining us make them a playable temp companion whose level scales with ours and skills we have to assign ourselves. Something they shouldve done with Hawke.

[Oswin]

Cullen can't provide any Mabari puppies where he's gone
I jest. I'm never that mean. Guys been through enough.

And the IQ I want back isn't a Solas romancer. He romanced Dorian and so almost nothing about him shows up in the Trespasser end slides :/ the only bit I get is that scene at the War table. So it would be nice to have some closure for him as he disbanded the Inquisition and doesn't seem to have anywhere to go other than after Solas. I don't need another vanishing Hero. Off adventuring in the West somewher.

So no, it's not really about the romance. Its just about having some kind of end outside of my own headcanon. I pick out Cullen"s romance to mention because it's the one I know that has some kind of conclusion and place for the IQ to go. I guess I can throw in Josie and Sera there as well.
I know IBs romance (if T-V) doesn't bring much closure for the IQ either, I don't think. I'm still in early days with my guy.

I realise you don't necessarily need to bring the IQ back as a protag to give them closure. Codex/NPC gossip can do that. But I'm pretty invested in them having some degree of involvement with Solas. Which is why I want them back in part. Then other part for shiny new Tevinter. Become a dream team together or something. Most likely unrealistic, but would be nice.

[Sah291]

Actually I like the idea of the IQ being the one exploring Tevinter too, not just because of involvement with Solas as a possible villain. But herald of andraste goes to Tevinter...sounds really dangerous and potentially interesting. That might be tough to pull off though.

[Former_Fiend]

That's a large part of the reason I don't want it. 

 

I don't want to be the Herald of Andraste again. I don't want to have anything to do with Andraste. I don't want to be on a first name basis with the Divine, even if she is a continent away.

[indorio]

I would love to play as the Inquisitor again if there is a new game, and preferrably as the MC. This is mainly because of the personal connection to the Solas arc, which I want resolved by the Inquisitor. 

 

If we go by the assumption that the next game will take place in Tevinter then I'd love if the story partly revolved around two underground movements (Solas vs. Inquisitor) that try to operate in the shadows without anyone being aware of them, setting things in motion. It would be interesting to try to twart Solas plans while being one step behind and without making him aware of you and your progress. It would also be an opportunity to explore Tevinter from the bottom with Dorian as an important contact to the upper levels of society.

 

Many argue that Dragon age is one game one protagonist. I have always felt that this was the most convenient explanation to why they didn't bring the warden or hawke back (and the real reasons being those already expressed in this thread).

[indorio]

Actually I like the idea of the IQ being the one exploring Tevinter too, not just because of involvement with Solas as a possible villain. But herald of andraste goes to Tevinter...sounds really dangerous and potentially interesting. That might be tough to pull off though.

 

I want to explore Tevinter with the Inquisitor for the opposite reasons. Going from this iconic figure who is the embodyment of the inquisition and peoples faith and hope to someone who operates in a new place where she is is forced to be a nobody to not create too much attention. It would be interesting to explore this aspect (and also make the Inquisitors story more personal).

[Eivuwan]

I would love to play as the Inquisitor again if there is a new game, and preferrably as the MC. This is mainly because of the personal connection to the Solas arc, which I want resolved by the Inquisitor. 

 

If we go by the assumption that the next game will take place in Tevinter then I'd love if the story partly revolved around two underground movements (Solas vs. Inquisitor) that try to operate in the shadows without anyone being aware of them, setting things in motion. It would be interesting to try to twart Solas plans while being one step behind and without making him aware of you and your progress. It would also be an opportunity to explore Tevinter from the bottom with Dorian as an important contact to the upper levels of society.

 

Many argue that Dragon age is one game one protagonist. I have always felt that this was the most convenient explanation to why they didn't bring the warden or hawke back (and the real reasons being those already expressed in this thread).

 

Yeah, I don't buy the one game one protagonist just because it's tradition or we want to tell the story about the world blah blah. You can tell the story about the world in a different perspective while keeping the same protagonist. A lot of people were done with the Inquisitor's story at the end of the core story, but Trespasser made them interested in the relationship between Solas and the Inquisitor again. If they really wanted to do the one world one protagonist thing, they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by just killing off the Inquisitor or permanently disabling them from stopping Solas.

[Sah291]

I want to explore Tevinter with the Inquisitor for the opposite reasons. Going from this iconic figure who is the embodyment of the inquisition and peoples faith and hope to someone who operates in a new place where she is is forced to be a nobody to not create too much attention. It would be interesting to explore this aspect (and also make the Inquisitors story more personal).

 

If the Inquisitor went to Tevinter, then I'd expect it to be mostly underground or undercover, where no one really knows him/her. I guess not unlike Solas, or Iron Bull, Blackwall did with the Inquisition. So yeah it would be starting over, but always the looming danger of the Inquisitor's past...which could have high consequences. I guess it really depends what kind of story they want to make. 

[Moirin]

Yes I agree with you though I would
Rather the inqusitior straight up but that is unlikely and I don't want the Inqusitior to pop up for 15 mins then see you and have no control over them. if they do the who dual protags I want control over what they say too.

 

I would rather the Inquisitor straight up too. I think it would be cool to play a disabled hero as well. There are a few really cool characters that I can think up that are missing an arm and can still fight (Shanks from One Piece and Sasuke from Naruto, for example), so I see no issue with the missing hand.

 

Having the Inquisitor return or having a dual protagonist is what would make me happiest, to be honest. I just wanted to point out that I could live with a new protagonist so long as my Inquisitor is crucially involved with hunting down Solas and I get to control what they say.

 

This is EXACTLY how I feel! I want to both redeem and kill Solas depending on how I am feeling at the moment and it has to be the Inquisitor who does it. goddamnit!

 

Yes, I have several Inquisitor's, many want to redeem him, but one wants to make sure that she's the one to stab him in the face personally.

 

My point however was that a new protagonist has no reason to care about how Solas is handled, so even if my Inquisitor wants him redeemed my new protagonist might find it easier just to kill him. My new protagonist has no reason to care what my Inquisitor wants, so why would they waste time trying to redeem him?

 

There is one assumption that I think people are taking for granted; that even being in control of the Inquisitor, all the options they give you will be what you consider "in character."

 

Perhaps not exactly, but it keeps the character my own and I could probably keep her closer to being in character then if I had no choice at all.

 

One could well have said the same regarding Hawke and Corypheus.

 

I think the same regarding Hawke and Corypheus. I don't think Hawke was handled too well in DAI. Then again, in the same breath Corypheus being a short DLC villain who Hawke thought he had killed is very different from your antagonist being a companion that you spent a few years with instead.

 

It's more akin to Anders blowing up the chantry and then Hawke not being the one to decide if they should stab him/spare him, but that job being given to the Inquisitor instead.

 

Or rather it's more like Anders blowing up the chantry, Hawke declaring they are gonna stab him/spare him and then the Inquisitor shows up out of nowhere and either does it for you or does the complete opposite of what Hawke wants due to the fact that they are another person have no connection with Anders and doesn't really give a damn about what Hawke wants.

[Sylvianus]

The game can't please everyone. I just hope they give Inquisitor more than a cameo appearance considering that it seems like 45% of the players want more than that. It's not the majority, but it's still a good percentage.

 

Believe me, that's a good thing. I'm actually surprised how much the fanbase could be so split compared to the past. The dragon age fanbase always thought better the system " new protagonist every game. " In most topics talking about this in the past, you had like 80% of the posts that would tell " new protagonist, I don't want dragon age to be like Mass effect, or Dragon age is all about Thedas and not just about one hero ".  The fact that just with one dlc bioware could change the mind of so many folks is really amazing and funny.