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[Fearsome1]

Some people will never stop asking that an established part of a franchise just be dropped to suit them? We have had at least one rollover character with each successive chapter, so to me this allows for a degree of interconnectivity (which I like).

 

It seems obvious who the possible repeat characters might be going into DA4, but whether Dorian returns as an active squad member or Scout Harding officially gets the nod remains to be seen; plus we're gonna have to wait a few years before we find out anyway (so why waste time wondering about that)?

[Aren]

I don't really want any repeat companions, but cameos by relevant characters (Fenris, Dorian... King Bhelen >______>) would be nice.

I'm still baffled that it was Hawke in the Fade instead of Warden Carver/Bethany.

King Bhelen? is perfect as companion,Harrowant not so much.

[BansheeOwnage]

Remember at the end of Legacy right after you killed Corypheus where Janeka/Larius was acting strange, like they were posessed? It's because they were posessed...by Corypheus. DA:I explains that he can transfer his essence like the Archdemon can and can be reborn in warden (or darkspawn?) bodies.

Wait, someone didn't know that? I'll have to assume they haven't played the game.

[Nefla]

Wait, someone didn't know that? I'll have to assume they haven't played the game.

Meh. Some people just don't notice things like that, and it has been a few years anyway.

[Dabrikishaw]

Agreeing with no returning party members as future party members. The only reason this trend started was because of Oghren being gated behind a main quest tons of players found too hard to do early in the game after all so it's not exactly a strong precedent.

 

Now, past NPCs becoming companions like Cassasndra did, I'm all for. Calperina and Valta would be my picks for that category.

[phishface]

I'd like to see Isabela and Oghren return. More funny, less angst.

 

Less 'I need you to understand the incredibly boring emotions I'm feeling about my destiny/sexual identity/beard'. More 'If we kill them, we get their stuff!' and Apostitutes!

[PIT_DEFENDER]

Id hate to see either Isabela or Oghren, theyr totaly boring idiots.

 

As to Coryphus return I was trolling some of our whiners in thsi thread who think party mebers should not retrun since they dont like it... like if we care. I dont like other party member I think theyr boring, not like it means they shouldnt be there for the other half of community who seems to adore them.

[Amne YA]

well dorian is 100%  returning .  Solas too  but not as a  compaion 

[Ryzaki]

Agreed.

 

Unless the Inquisitor is returning please for the love of god leave last companions out of the party.

 

I'm sorry but the constant dragging of NPCs and enemies from one story from the next but when people want a PC to come back the devs cry "it's not about the PC it's about the setting!" is wearing thin. If it's about the setting give us new stories with new characters without old plot lines related to the old PC dragging around like a bit of road kill stuck to the tire. Clean breaks please. This halfbreed we want to bring back the NPCs but not the PC is lame cause we have to either relay on metagaming or our new PC has no reason to give a damn about them.

[vertigomez]

King Bhelen? is perfect as companion,Harrowant not so much.

I'd watch my back if Bhelen was following me anywhere.

Sigrun needs to come back.

I just headcanon that she and my Warden lived happily ever after. Until they get slaughtered by darkspawn or angry deepstalkers or something.

[Andxel]

My ass!

If Dragon Age 4 won't give me the joy to count on an improved, badass, slavers killer Fenris then I'll really be disappointed.

[Dean_the_Young]

Agreed.

 

Unless the Inquisitor is returning please for the love of god leave last companions out of the party.

 

I'm sorry but the constant dragging of NPCs and enemies from one story from the next but when people want a PC to come back the devs cry "it's not about the PC it's about the setting!" is wearing thin. If it's about the setting give us new stories with new characters without old plot lines related to the old PC dragging around like a bit of road kill stuck to the tire. Clean breaks please. This halfbreed we want to bring back the NPCs but not the PC is lame cause we have to either relay on metagaming or our new PC has no reason to give a damn about them.

 

Sure, a the new PC needs a new reason to give a damn... but so what? How does that outweigh the benefits?

 

I think you're making a bit of a false equivalence between a PC and a NPC. NPC's are often critical to the world-building elements and conveying themes of a setting- but a PC, by their nature as the avatar for the out-of-context player, rarely is. Reoccuring NPCs can provide a frame of context that a returning PC can't, because a PC isn't a context of a setting- the PC is the actor, but very rarely the mover of a plot, especially one between games (where, by design consideration, every game has to assume the PC-player is a newbie who must be re-introduced to a plot.)

 

I certainly don't think that all characters should be returning, but returning NPCs bring weight and other vague things I can describe well. In DAI, Varric was an ideal lead-in back to Hawk- who was an example of the troubles of any PC who isn't effecitvely killed off during a game. Cassandra and Leliana were both old characters with new plots, and new character development, that could stand on their own... while also convincingly bringing in the Chantry authority and helping establish how the Inquisition was a spin-off of the Chantry and old regime, related but distinct.

 

The value of a reoccuring NPC rests with the companion, not the PC. In ME3, most of the companions added little to the plot even though Shepard reoccured. In fact, some of the companion plots were weaker than if they were dead/absent. But some, like Mordin, provided a familiar meta-familiarity that gave their scenes and positions more relevance: Mordin's position on the genophage in ME3 still requires the meta-knowledge of the player of the events of ME2 to make sense as a character arc. Shepard might know, but the player is still a meta consideration.

[Ryzaki]

*shrug* It doesn't bother you to have to deal with the same faces again and again and being reintroduced to them again and again. That's great. I am actually tried of it. I want new ones to go with my new character and their new relationships instead of getting the weird disconnect I currently get.

 

Also connecting to the characters with my PC is pretty much the reason I play these games. So yeah it's a big deal to me for me to go "and why do I trust/care about you?" and to have to have my new PC get reintroduced to the same characters I already dealt with last game. Especially so when they take up companion slots that could be used on new characters.

[DuskWanderer]

Yeah, I have to second not having any new party members. I don't mind a connected character we've never seen before (for example, Antoine Montilyet, Josephine's younger brother) or even a character we saw in a minor role (like Charade Amell). But no recurring characters, I don't need to see characters I've already seen before, they've had their moment. It almost feels like they would have run out of people to write if they re-use. 

[Lady Sif]

I would like to see Harding as a companion for the next game. We learned a little about her, but I feel like there is still a lot of development left for her. She could also be sent to find someone new to help save/stop Solas and find the new protag. I don't really feel like any of the companions should return as companions again, but I feel like Harding would be a good way to connect the next game to DAI. I wouldn't mind the old companions showing up like say Dorian, but I don't think he should be a companion.

[Evelynne]

I want more Isabela. Was very sour about her only getting a part in the Multiplayer of this game.

[rapscallioness]

Agree, OP.

[Miltialdes]

For my side, yes for the returning of old characters.:

 

If the localisation is well Tevinter, Weisshaupt in the Anderfell is not so far. Possibly, we have to know one of plot at the end of the base game, Weisshaupt  respond no more. We know that Carver/Bettany is there, normally Hawke disappears also there ( but in the trepasser, he/she advises Varric in Kirkwall), the Warden is looking for a remede in this area and disappear, Morigan goes to the North ( Anderfell) with her son, there are the griffins,

 

In Tevinter, we have Dorian, Maevaris Tilan from the comics book and friend of Varric, Feynriel ( the dreamer), Fenris, Arishok Sten, Tallis potentially they can be a companion.

 

In the comics book, Alistair as king goes to Tevinter with Varric and Isabella.

 

If the main plot of the game is to avoid Solas destroy Tedas, it is neccessary to have a powerfull team and not a beginning team.

[sylvanaerie]

If romanced Leliana is the Divine

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I think I remember reading that the warden returns to her, and it causes such a scandal, she ends up making a referendum to allow Chantry clergy to have relationships.  My next game will be using a 'romanced Leliana' and I plan on making her divine, so I'll find out then first hand.  Going to assume that all HoF's come back from their wanderings (if still alive, no zombie HoF's need apply) as well, though they aren't mentioned.  I don't want to see the HoF returning on camera.

 I don't really want to see Hawke or the Inquisitor returning except in an 'advisory' capacity--to set up the story if it continues with what's going on with Solas or the wardens.

 

I'd be fine with a returning companion in an advisory capacity.  If the next game takes place in Tevinter

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(strongly hinted at the end of Trespasser)

, I'd not cry bitter tears to see Dorian, even if his writer has to be someone else, as I really enjoyed him.  Though I'd prefer he be an ally--possibly a mentor--to the new PC, not a full fledged companion.  It's too much of a disconnect for me to get them to level 23-27 in the previous game only to start off a fresh game with them barely able to hold onto their weapons, or light a candle with their spells.

 

I'd like to see all new companions, but since the game devs seem to like having someone from the previous installment regardless of their fate in the previous game pop to tie the narratives together (Oghren, Anders, Varric etc), I'm just praying they keep the characterization true for the returnee, and continue to make the reappearance relevant/logical.  Both Oghren and Anders suffered from personality transplants in their returning capacity (though Anders at least had the excuse of having a separate entity in his noggin), Varric was pretty much spot on and recognizable as the man he used to be, if a bit sadder from the sobering experiences in Kirkwall--a logical character development over the passage of 12 years. 

 

So I could see Dorian or Iron Bull (if they survived the events in Inquisition) as returnees, but would prefer they be in an advisory capacity.

[Guitar-Hero]

No they don't. Just because you don't like how Anders turned out does not mean it's a screw up.

Ha ha you can't dictate how people feel, its a subjective opinion. I think bioware screwed up Varric in DAI but that doesn't mean his changes weren't what they intended them to be or that some people like him better in DAI.

 

"Heal the world

Make it a better place

For you and for me and the entire human race

There are people dying

 If you care enough for the living 

Make a better place for you and for me Ooooh oooh"

[Guitar-Hero]

I'd like to see Isabela and Oghren return. More funny, less angst.

 

Less 'I need you to understand the incredibly boring emotions I'm feeling about my destiny/sexual identity/beard'. More 'If we kill them, we get their stuff!' and Apostitutes!

Isabela would be great, Ogrhen so i can kill him

[Miel]

Talking about companions, do you think this little fellow could be a companion in DA4 ? Considering that DAI took part 10 years after DA2, it could be possible.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Kieran

[TheExtreamH]

meh i enjoy returning companions. I like to see how they develop over the course of the games.

I'd like to see Shale again, With that glorious sarcastic bird hating whit. 

[MortallyDead]

Talking about companions, do you think this little fellow could be a companion in DA4 ? Considering that DAI took part 10 years after DA2, it could be possible.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Kieran

I hope not. If so that's forcing a decision from DA:O. It really bugged me that Leliana was in DA2/DA:I since I killed her in one of my playthroughs. Party members back as important NPCs is fine, former NPCs as partymembers, ok I guess, but NOT if they were killable. 

[BubbleDncr]

After Trespasser, it would seem like it would be all new companions in DA4, since the Inquisitor makes a point of saying that it needs to be all new people who Solas would not expect. The only companion I would expect to return is Dorian, since it seems likely he's going to be the contact between this new group of people and whatever remains of the Inquisition, but he'd probably have to be rather sneaky about it so Solas's agents don't make the connection - so I'd guess no where near as big a role as Cullen/Josie/Leliana in DA:I. And I expect the Inquisitor to show up at some pivotal moment, tho who knows, maybe people raged about Hawke so much that Bioware won't want to deal with that again - tho I personally loved Hawke's return, despite her acting slightly out of character.

 

I think a big plus for them in setting DA4 in Tevinter is they can finally stop having people demand they spent lots of resources making sure all their choices from other games matter. They can basically just put in a codex entry somewhere who the Divine is, who's ruling Fereleden, etc. - the only real choices they have to recognize are if the Inquisition is disbanded or not, whether the Inquisitor wants to redeem/kill Solas, and whether or not Solas and the Inquisitor were friends. So bringing back an old companion or two would just make the writers' lives needlessly harder.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Maevaris is a companion. Tho, she's not really a returning companion so much as someone who's just been mentioned a bit.