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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

They know nothing of red lyrium, the true nature of the Blight, what cause Dark Spawn to rage or where the corruption comes from; all they know is that a Warden must make the killing blow on the Arch Demon, and yet they are hailed as experts on Darkspawn. Solas seems to know far more about the Blight, Darkspawn and corruption than the Greywardens ever have, at least he hints at knowing. So what do the Grey Wardens really know about the Darkspawn and their origins? Apart from roleplaying reasons, there really is no reason to keep them around after Adamant.

[Issy]

Because Wardens are the only ones who can kill an archdemon as far as anyone else knows. Do they really need to be experts in order to kill a monster? 

[ZoliCs]

Is there a reason to exile them?

[Jandi]

Well, expert is a relative term. Compared to some random peasants they probably are experts. Compared to some Orlesian or Tevinter scholars, they are only experts at killing them.

[actionhero112]

Yeah turns out the hundreds of year old elven mage who has extensively studied the fade has a bit more knowledge than a group of outcasts and pariahs. 

Especially with their war torn history, it's not surprising the grey wardens have accumulated very little information about the blight. They just know how to fight it. Though it's safe to say that the average grey warden is going to be more knowledgeable about darkspawn than the average person. 

 

Also red lyrium is a fairly recent development, not in terms of its creation, but it's involvement in the modern world. 

 

As far as keeping them around after Adamant, you are facing an ancient darkspawn magister with what looks like an archdemon on his side. So from what your character knows at the moment, it makes sense to keep them around. 

 

Honestly Solas's attitude towards the warden's pisses me off. It's so hypocritical that he has a problem with the lengths the wardens go to, when he himself is willing to destroy the world to achieve his goals. Whenever he talks about the wardens, I kind of just want to slap him. 

[Jandi]

Is there a reason to exile them?

 

Is there a reason not to? They can always return after Corypuss is dealt with. The whole choice made no real sense anyhoot. Why not just tell them to leave till Cory is killed off? No, it's "stay and probably have more members corrupted" or "Leave forever", because that's what Banishment is as I understood it.

[ZoliCs]

Is there a reason not to? They can always return after Corypuss is dealt with. The whole choice made no real sense anyhoot. Why not just tell them to leave till Cory is killed off? No, it's "stay and probably have more members corrupted" or "Leave forever", because that's what Banishment is as I understood it.

 

They are manpower. Last time I looked the Inquisition wanted help to fight Coryfish.

[Jandi]

They are manpower. Last time I looked the Inquisition wanted help to fight Coryfish.

 

How many could there possibly be left? If you choose poorly with the following war table mission, they can all die.

[ZoliCs]

How many could there possibly be left? If you choose poorly with the following war table mission, they can all die.

 

I dount they are all dead. There are always some in Skyhold and they are mentioned in the epiloge slides.

 

Still anything is better than nothing. Exiling them is just foolish. They were just trying to fight the Blight as is their duty.

[ArianaGBSA]

Because Wardens are the only ones who can kill an archdemon as far as anyone else knows. Do they really need to be experts in order to kill a monster? 

Morrigan could simply have a family of old gods and she would be mama-rule-the-world and we would never have blights again

[robertmarilyn]

How many could there possibly be left? If you choose poorly with the following war table mission, they can all die.

 

That's why I make sure I don't choose poorly. I like the Wardens. They have a lousy life and future, I don't want to make things worse for them. 

[AresKeith]

They know nothing of red lyrium, the true nature of the Blight, what cause Dark Spawn to rage or where the corruption comes from; all they know is that a Warden must make the killing blow on the Arch Demon, and yet they are hailed as experts on Darkspawn. Solas seems to know far more about the Blight, Darkspawn and corruption than the Greywardens ever have, at least he hints at knowing. So what do the Grey Wardens really know about the Darkspawn and their origins? Apart from roleplaying reasons, there really is no reason to keep them around after Adamant.

 

Except to you know kill the Archdemon and stop blights which is really their main purpose for existing 

[Jandi]

I dount they are all dead. There are always some in Skyhold and they are mentioned in the epiloge slides.

 

Still anything is better than nothing. Exiling them is just foolish. They were just trying to fight the Blight as is their duty.

 

I know, Exiling them is stupid. The option to say "Get out until it's safe to return" would be a better option so they don't go bananas again but apparently the rational choice slipped out of the developers mind.

[Toxicity]

They exist for the main purpose of killing darkspawn and the Archdemon; aren't they the only ones who can? The taint can't affect them like it can anyone else. The Wardens were exiled before until King Maric allowed them back when he took the throne. But that's about as much as I know. 

 

Exiling them or letting them stay makes little to no difference on the game itself. But besides that, the only reason I would exile them is if there was a chance Cory could control them again, I guess. But that's just my opinion. 

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Apart from roleplaying reasons, there really is no reason to keep them around after Adamant.

 

  Good thing DAI is an RPG, then!

[Daerog]

We don't really know what they know. The Warden in Origins was still in training before all the senior wardens were killed and was left alone with another young warden.

 

Before Solas woke from his thousand or so year nap, who was there to protect Thedas? Who were the only ones to end every Blight? Flemeth was around, as were her daughters, but did they ever bother with an OGB before?

 

The Grey Wardens were the only ones to take that sacrifice to end the Blights, no other ancient power rose to help before.

 

So, the Orlesian Wardens were going bonkers due to a false Calling, but that doesn't mean all the Wardens under every Warden-Commander are useless or unneeded to protect others from darkspawn.

 

The Wardens are not altruistic white knights, true, but they still serve a purpose and doom themselves to a terrible death to safeguard the future of Thedas, whether they were recruited or volunteered.

 

A few people in Thedas run across ancient beings and texts that give hints and theories of the blight, but you can't blame them if people like Solas purposefully leave them ignorant.

 

The Wardens have been aware of the Magister Darkspawn, but they were able to deal with them during the First Blight, and there have been no encounters with them until recently.

 

They are overly secretive, and probably for a good reason, since the Wardens know that the blight can be used by non-darkspawn as a source of magic, and who wants to give outsiders the temptation to experiment with such a dangerous substance?

 

Edit: As for exiling or not, my canon inquisitor figured that it would be best to keep the Wardens close, to make sure they aren't taken by the Venatori, and they were trained, veteran soldiers that brought their own armor, weapons, and supplies to the battle field. Free soldiers that can take care of themselves and know that they are going to die violently eventually? Yes, please.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Do you honestly think the organizations at large in Thedas have the same level of knowledge that you as player have, you have knowledge from Dragon Age Origins,Awakenings,DA2 and DAI and a handful of novels. This is for the most part information you the player has, even baldy Mcelfy pants himself has limited knowledge on darkspawn.

[Jandi]

  Good thing DAI is an RPG, then!

 

Haha this! This never ceases to amaze me how people say "well, it only makes sense for roleplaying reasons" and cannot comprehend that the game is written from the perspecting of the characters IN the story, not the player.

[Almostfaceman]

They know nothing of red lyrium, the true nature of the Blight, what cause Dark Spawn to rage or where the corruption comes from; all they know is that a Warden must make the killing blow on the Arch Demon, and yet they are hailed as experts on Darkspawn. Solas seems to know far more about the Blight, Darkspawn and corruption than the Greywardens ever have, at least he hints at knowing. So what do the Grey Wardens really know about the Darkspawn and their origins? Apart from roleplaying reasons, there really is no reason to keep them around after Adamant.

 

Actually, we don't know what they know. They keep all kinds of secrets. That's part of their problem, but there may be a good reason they're so secretive, something that happened in the past. 

 

Plus, they have to contend with the periods between Blights and politics and other people. 

 

They're doing the best they can, and they've avoided catastrophe five times. Which is more than anyone else is doing. So if they have failings, they've earned some slack. 

 

Seriously if the rest of the kingdoms had gotten their shizzle together and backed the Wardens in some major Blight research and expedition, the Blights might be a thing of the past instead of a persistent problem. 

 

Watch it when you point fingers, there's always four pointing back at you. 

[jedidotflow]

They know nothing of red lyrium, the true nature of the Blight, what cause Dark Spawn to rage or where the corruption comes from; all they know is that a Warden must make the killing blow on the Arch Demon, and yet they are hailed as experts on Darkspawn. Solas seems to know far more about the Blight, Darkspawn and corruption than the Greywardens ever have, at least he hints at knowing. So what do the Grey Wardens really know about the Darkspawn and their origins? Apart from roleplaying reasons, there really is no reason to keep them around after Adamant.

 

What does Solas know about the Blight and Darkspawns? All he says is that killing the Old Gods is stupid, but he doesn't offer any real explanation for not doing such (other than the supposition that killing all Archdemons could start a neverending Blight).

[In Exile]

The Warden commanders seem to have very limited access to high level Warden secrets. It seems Weisthaupt keeps everything on a need to know.

[WardenWade]

By the end of Trespasser, even the Inquisitor mocks themselves for looking down on the Wardens for their corruption and misdeeds when the Inquisition is falling down around their head, so it all kind of evens out, I suppose.  No organization is flawless or omniscient, as Solas notes.  And, I suppose, Solas hates the Qunari more than he'll ever hate the Wardens   I like them and always ally with them.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

Thats so sweet of you Waredn Wade, but I dont know hich inquisitor mocks himself for exiling them, they fucked up and they had to go, besides they were a liability. If there will be any bgliths comin well give them a shout.

[ShadowLordXII]

Compared to the rest of Thedas? The Grey Wardens are experts on darkspawn lore and unmatched by anyone else except for perhaps the Dwarves who are in constant war with the Darkspawn.

 

Also, Solas has only been awake for a year only after the Grey Wardens used their knowledge to save Thedas five times from the darkspawn. I wouldn't take his criticism to full heart unless there's something that he knows about the taint that he's not telling the rest of us...

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Honestly.. Since I have played Origins, I have a tainted opinion. If I just knew of the Warden's from Codex entries and DAI, I would think they are out of their box. Having experienced it from my Warden's POV, I am sympathetic to their actions.