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[HEROx Divine]

I'm starting a new PT using a 2H Templar with all trails on. I'm wondering what issues will I have? Also, i will be using two mages and a rogue. I'm well aware this is a horrible idea, but I love challenges.

[actionhero112]

Warriors are pretty broken atm, due to the new combat roll's absurd damage. and if you have a barrier amulet equipped, absurd defense. 

 

But the Templar specifically destroys anything it can stun with Wrath of Heaven and detonate with Spell Purge, dealing crazy damage. I consider it to be the best mook killing warrior specialization, just due to the sheer power of a wrathpurge. 

 

I think the class struggles against anything it can't stun, and thus can't wrathpurge. So bosses and stuff. I say struggles, but that means you'll just have to rely on old faithful, the combat roll. 

[themageguy]

The spell purge toggle annulment will also make sure your templar abilities also damage more magic using enemies rather than just demons.

[htisscrimbliv]

There arent really cons to specializations, just what you're giving up by not taking the other 2

[HEROx Divine]

Can a Templar out damage a Reaver?

[Bigdawg13]

Can a Templar out damage a Reaver?

No

[Evelynne]

@HEROx Divine:

Do it, if your Inquisitor goes down, you get full Health, 50% damage boost, and a 25% damage reduction once a minute. I took Cass for a long time as a 2H just to have her take a dive for my KE-Bomb (sweet sweet 35K damage spike). But like they said, Wrathpurge is strong in this patch. So is Combat Roll, but I don't take warriors for their DPS until I get Andraste's Sacrifice... because I have two Knight-Enchanters I can Fire Mine bomb with (and if I aligned all the buffs just right, it can push 45-50k per mine set if they're not immune to Fire).

 

I'd say no, because Dragon Rage is literally meant to eat health-pools, Bull plows through 10,000 damage with a full rotation if he crits at least twice.

[HEROx Divine]

Blessed Blades->Charging Bull->WrathPurge->Combat Roll
Is this the best Templar combo?

[actionhero112]

Can a Templar out damage a Reaver?

 

Not over a period of time no. 

 

But they can put out more damage in one combo in a wide area of effect that's enough to kill all non elite mooks on nightmare. If you have an explode on kill masterwork, it does so much aoe damage that they finish fights before they really begin. 

 

If you've never seen a crit templar with mighty offense wrathpurge, it's hard to conceptualize the numbers that they do. 

[HEROx Divine]

Can you link me a video of a crit Templar combo?

[PapaCharlie9]

NIf you've never seen a crit templar with mighty offense wrathpurge, it's hard to conceptualize the numbers that they do.

Speaking of which, how much damage does plain-old Wrath do on non-demons? The listed value? Less? Demon damage is double listed?

I think the only reason the numbers are hard to conceptualize is because they don't tell you in the skill description.

[Bigdawg13]

Their combo doesn't work on bosses in general. But Reaver damage is always insane.

[actionhero112]

Can you link me a video of a crit Templar combo?

 

I don't have that. 

 

But I do have an image I took of the damage a couple minutes ago. 

Spoiler

 

So templar damage is frontloaded and heavy aoe, while a Reaver is more single target. 

 

Oh and the only buffs active here were mighty offense and passives. So you can get more with horn of valor or cutting words. This is just an example of endgame templar crit damage. 

 

 

Speaking of which, how much damage does plain-old Wrath do on non-demons? The listed value? Less? Demon damage is double listed?

I think the only reason the numbers are hard to conceptualize is because they don't tell you in the skill description.

 

It does nothing to non demon/mages. It does restore your health now though, which is neat especially with the rub some dirt on it trial. 

 

People are usually like, wrath purge can't do that much damage. And then it does. And it's good. 

[rayx]

Warriors are pretty broken atm, due to the new combat roll's absurd damage. and if you have a barrier amulet equipped, absurd defense. 

 

But the Templar specifically destroys anything it can stun with Wrath of Heaven and detonate with Spell Purge, dealing crazy damage. I consider it to be the best mook killing warrior specialization, just due to the sheer power of a wrathpurge. 

 

I think the class struggles against anything it can't stun, and thus can't wrathpurge. So bosses and stuff. I say struggles, but that means you'll just have to rely on old faithful, the combat roll. 

 

I thought the barrier amulet is only available in trespasser? is there anyway to get it in the earlier stage?

[actionhero112]

I thought the barrier amulet is only available in trespasser? is there anyway to get it in the earlier stage?

Enhanced Barrier amulet always drops off of Fiona and you can get barrier amulets early from the special shipment chest as rewards from trials.

 

I think the superb barrier amulet is only available in trespasser, but it might be in the main game. 

[PillarBiter]

My cassandra build:

a templar with bees and pull of the abyss on hit, and heal on hit.

Wrath

purge

war cry

taunt

shield wall

horn of valor

war horn

 

The last skill can be choosen freely. Either rally, grappling hook, shield bash, payback strike, livid or combat roll are all viable options.

[HEROx Divine]

Is War Horn actual worth it?

[zeypher]

Is War Horn actual worth it?

God yes, war horn with the guard breaking upgrade gives you a low cost skill which will do 100% weapon damage in a 8M aoe and panic and sunder your target, if the target has guard they take 1200% weapon damage.

 

Infact the entire battlemaster tree is extremely good now, better than the 2 handed tree. You only want flow of battle and shield breaker passive from the 2H tree. Battle master gives you grapple chain which also does 250% weapon damage, combat roll with a cooldown of 2sec for 500% semi aoe weapon damage and the two horns both being excellent.,

[tcun44]

Weird how rolling through a bad guy inflicts more damage on him than Mighty Blow.

[Bigdawg13]

Combat Roll....*hits shield*  Ah crap!

 

The longer this topic goes, the less interested I am in finishing my warrior play through.  I hate how OP the battlemaster tree is.  They should have done something interesting to Earthshaking Strike IMHO.

[PapaCharlie9]

I don't have that. 
 
But I do have an image I took of the damage a couple minutes ago. 

Spoiler

 
So templar damage is frontloaded and heavy aoe, while a Reaver is more single target. 
 
Oh and the only buffs active here were mighty offense and passives. So you can get more with horn of valor or cutting words. This is just an example of endgame templar crit damage. 
 
 
 
It does nothing to non demon/mages. It does restore your health now though, which is neat especially with the rub some dirt on it trial. 
 
People are usually like, wrath purge can't do that much damage. And then it does. And it's good.

 

So all of that was from Spell Shatter's 600% plus the 1200% from the combo (plus passives and MO, etc.)?
 

Rupture (Eldritch)
Triggers: Stunned + Eldritch Detonator

Deals massive spirit damage to the primary target and applies Weakness (10 seconds).

• Dispel, Mind Blast, Energy Barrage, Immolate, Spell Purge: 1200% weapon damage.

 

That is impressive, given that Wrath itself didn't contribute anything but setting up the combo!

[actionhero112]

So all of that was from Spell Shatter's 600% plus the 1200% from the combo (plus passives and MO, etc.)?
 

Rupture (Eldritch)
Triggers: Stunned + Eldritch Detonator

Deals massive spirit damage to the primary target and applies Weakness (10 seconds).

• Dispel, Mind Blast, Energy Barrage, Immolate, Spell Purge: 1200% weapon damage.

 

That is impressive, given that Wrath itself didn't contribute anything but setting up the combo!

I actually had annulment turned on for that fight, so that was just the weakness combo.

 

But you can look forward to 20k - 30k AoE under mighty offense on most crit templars endgame and around 10-15k without mighty offense. These are just numbers I saw last night though, I'm sure someone else can min max it and do even more. 

 

Whenever I play warriors/rogues I abuse that tonic. Why did they make it cost 2 herb mats that you can actually just buy?

[Bigdawg13]

I'm having a heck of a time trying to ascertain what is immune to the stun of Wrath of Heaven.  If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say stun falls into the 'physical effects' as given in:

 

http://dragonage3.wi...ife.com/Enemies

 

If so, the following enemies will laugh at your WoH/SP combo: 

 

Armored Mabari, Bear, Bronto, Dragonlings, Druffalo, Giant, Great Bear, Gurgut, Gurn, High Dragon, Quillback, Varghest, Wyvern, Bruiser, Pride Demon, Rage Demon, Behemoth, Red Templar Knight, Arcane Horror, Revenant

 

Now recognize a few of those are demons.  And if you switch toggles on spell purge you can affect some of those with damage from WoH, but not necessarily from the stun/eldritch combo that does so much damage.

[zeypher]

With new toggles etc templar doesnt hold up too well in the dlcs.

[Bigdawg13]

With new toggles etc templar doesnt hold up too well in the dlcs.

 

Care to elaborate?  Do you mean the new toggles don't function well but the old upgrades work as well as they did before?  Or are you referring to the increased number of spirit resistant enemies?

 

I would think the alternate "heal" toggle for WoH is great in any setting.