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[Ghost Gal]

So unless you banged him or died, you're on bad terms with Alistair? That figures.

 

For how progressive they are in other areas, BioWare really likes pushing this idea that "it's not true love/affection/friendship unless you screwed each other." Friends drift apart, crushes fade and die, but sexual love is forever apparently.  Morrigan may show a kinder side if you befriend her, but she won't let you through the mirror unless you planted a baby in her. Jack is never able to grow past her trauma and become a better person unless a (Paragon) Male Shepard sticks it in her. All of Hawke's friends eventually leave him/her except his/her love interest. DAI Alistair ends up on bad terms with a Warden who lived no matter what, unless she's a female who licked his lamppost in winter. Solas never comes to see moderns as "people" during the game unless a female Lavellan Fade-kisses him. In fact, just about all Inquisition advisers and companions (except Dorian and maybe Cassandra) treat the Inquisitor with professional or casual distance unless you invite them into your quarters.

 

The only exceptions I can really think of are Varric remaining besties with Hawke no matter what (even if s/he's a completely jerk in a "Rivalry" Friendship with him) and Garrus to Shepard, but otherwise... This is disappointing.

[Arlee]

So unless you banged him or died, you're on bad terms with Alistair? That figures.

 

For how progressive they are in other areas, BioWare really likes pushing this idea that "it's not true love/affection/friendship unless you screwed each other." Friends drift apart, crushes fade and die, but sexual love is forever apparently.  Morrigan may show a kinder side if you befriend her, but she won't let you through the mirror unless you planted a baby in her. Jack is never able to grow past her trauma and become a better person unless a (Paragon) Male Shepard sticks it in her. All of Hawke's friends eventually leave him/her except his/her love interest. DAI Alistair ends up on bad terms with a Warden who lived no matter what, unless she's a female who licked his lamppost in winter. Solas never comes to see moderns as "people" during the game unless a female Lavellan Fade-kisses him. In fact, just about all Inquisition advisers and companions (except Dorian and maybe Cassandra) treat the Inquisitor with professional or casual distance unless you invite them into your quarters.

 

The only exceptions I can really think of are Varric remaining besties with Hawke no matter what (even if s/he's a completely jerk in a "Rivalry" Friendship with him) and Garrus to Shepard, but otherwise... This is disappointing.

 

Eh, I think it has less to do with BioWare pushing an "only sex matters" agenda and more to with the fact players like to feel by engaging in a relationship with someone it has a significant effect which can't be accomplished in other ways.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Solas never comes to see moderns as "people" during the game unless a female Lavellan Fade-kisses him. 

 

Er... Does Trespasser not count as "During the game"?

[Arlee]

Er... Does Trespasser not count as "During the game"?

 

That is actually a good point. In Trespasser Solas says the Inquisitor shows him he was wrong about thinking they weren't people as long as they were friends. Being an Elf or having romanced him doesn't matter outside of how the conversation goes to get to that line is slightly different.

[YourFunnyUncle]

That is actually a good point. In Trespasser Solas says the Inquisitor shows him he was wrong about thinking they weren't people as long as they were friends. Being an Elf or having romanced him doesn't matter outside of how the conversation goes to get to that line is slightly different.

Exactly. I've had that from two elves and two humans, none of whom romanced him. This is a female elf obviously but she romanced Sera. It's gaining his respect as a leader/listening to his tales of the fade that gets him to accept that your people have worth. It's not contingent on the romance.

 

 

[susanwb]

So unless you banged him or died, you're on bad terms with Alistair? That figures.

 

For how progressive they are in other areas, BioWare really likes pushing this idea that "it's not true love/affection/friendship unless you screwed each other." Friends drift apart, crushes fade and die, but sexual love is forever apparently.  Morrigan may show a kinder side if you befriend her, but she won't let you through the mirror unless you planted a baby in her. Jack is never able to grow past her trauma and become a better person unless a (Paragon) Male Shepard sticks it in her. All of Hawke's friends eventually leave him/her except his/her love interest. DAI Alistair ends up on bad terms with a Warden who lived no matter what, unless she's a female who licked his lamppost in winter. Solas never comes to see moderns as "people" during the game unless a female Lavellan Fade-kisses him. In fact, just about all Inquisition advisers and companions (except Dorian and maybe Cassandra) treat the Inquisitor with professional or casual distance unless you invite them into your quarters.

 

The only exceptions I can really think of are Varric remaining besties with Hawke no matter what (even if s/he's a completely jerk in a "Rivalry" Friendship with him) and Garrus to Shepard, but otherwise... This is disappointing.

This is one of the reasons I love Dorian so much in Inquisition.  If you are his friend OR his lover, he makes a point of giving you his "sending crystal" so you can communicate no matter how far apart you are.  The friendship really is important to him.  He's the only friend who actively attempts to maintain a friendship with you after the events of Trespasser, except Sera if you disband the Inquisition and join the Jennies.

[YourFunnyUncle]

This is one of the reasons I love Dorian so much in Inquisition. If you are his friend OR his lover, he makes a point of giving you his "sending crystal" so you can communicate no matter how far apart you are. The friendship really is important to him. He's the only friend who actively attempts to maintain a friendship with you after the events of Trespasser, except Sera if you disband the Inquisition and join the Jennies.

It's not necessary to disband the Inquisition to join the Jennies. You just have to say yes when she asks. The Inquisitor obviously finds time for a bit of fun...

[Qun00]

So unless you banged him or died, you're on bad terms with Alistair? That figures.

For how progressive they are in other areas, BioWare really likes pushing this idea that "it's not true love/affection/friendship unless you screwed each other." Friends drift apart, crushes fade and die, but sexual love is forever apparently. Morrigan may show a kinder side if you befriend her, but she won't let you through the mirror unless you planted a baby in her. Jack is never able to grow past her trauma and become a better person unless a (Paragon) Male Shepard sticks it in her. All of Hawke's friends eventually leave him/her except his/her love interest. DAI Alistair ends up on bad terms with a Warden who lived no matter what, unless she's a female who licked his lamppost in winter. Solas never comes to see moderns as "people" during the game unless a female Lavellan Fade-kisses him. In fact, just about all Inquisition advisers and companions (except Dorian and maybe Cassandra) treat the Inquisitor with professional or casual distance unless you invite them into your quarters.

The only exceptions I can really think of are Varric remaining besties with Hawke no matter what (even if s/he's a completely jerk in a "Rivalry" Friendship with him) and Garrus to Shepard, but otherwise... This is disappointing.

On second thought, it doesn't seem entirely clear.

https://youtu.be/DPPW1kV8pfM

In this compilation of different versions of the dialogue between GW Alistair and romanced Morrigan, there are lines related to a living HoF that did or didn't enter the eluvian with her in WH.

Those bits like "Until you left him" and "You've tried to find him? So have I" could mean that their friendship still is standing.

[susanwb]

It's not necessary to disband the Inquisition to join the Jennies. You just have to say yes when she asks. The Inquisitor obviously finds time for a bit of fun...

Well, yeah, I know.  But you don't get the ending slide with the cool crossbow arm unless you disband.  So I wonder how much time the Inqui has for hijinks with Sera.  At least they must see each other now and then.  But I still get the feeling that Dorian is my Inqui's closest friend out of all the companions.

[BansheeOwnage]

This is my first time assigning Alistair instead of Stroud (or Loghain) for this quest. Generally I'm not the sort to tweak previous choices on a whim, but I made a special exception here (I only have one Origins playthrough and Alistair was made King of Ferelden in it). I just really wanted some quality time with The Man, The Legend, The Grey Warden Himself.

 

Is Alistair always exiled from a Cousland Prince-Consort's presence? That's... that's bleak. "He decided he preferred the company of the queen." ;_; Alistair and Aedan Cousland were best bros when I played, so it kind of stings. Poor guy. He also mentioned how my Warden chose to follow through with the Dark Ritual, claiming he "now follows a dark path." Yikes, rough times.

Yeah, that really bugged me too. Alistair should know that my Warden is hardly a dark person. That was just a really tough life-or-death situation, hardly descriptive of her overall behaviour. Made even stranger since my Warden was female, therefore Alistair actually took part in the Dark Ritual too...

 

Not to mention what he was referring to. He actually wasn't sure if my Warden would consider using blood-sacrifice to summon a demon army! Alistair, what?! Though I blame Bioware for that, not him.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Well, yeah, I know. But you don't get the ending slide with the cool crossbow arm unless you disband. So I wonder how much time the Inqui has for hijinks with Sera. At least they must see each other now and then. But I still get the feeling that Dorian is my Inqui's closest friend out of all the companions.

Wrong. I kept inquisition and got the crossbow slide

[BansheeOwnage]

So unless you banged him or died, you're on bad terms with Alistair? That figures.

 

For how progressive they are in other areas, BioWare really likes pushing this idea that "it's not true love/affection/friendship unless you screwed each other."

I'm with you. I've been pushing for Bioware to put more effort into developing our platonic relationships for a while now. It saddens me that they don't seem to let you be true friends with most of the characters. You can't even give your friends hugs when they're down! Except Varric, once, and Bethany under specific circumstances. Let me stay friends with these people instead of having them drift apart. Let me hug them and tell them how important to me they are, without a romance. Even though Mass Effect had similar problems, the fact that you had so many characters across games stick with each other was really nice.

 

Though I do have to point out that Solas sees people as people if you're friends.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Well, yeah, I know.  But you don't get the ending slide with the cool crossbow arm unless you disband.  So I wonder how much time the Inqui has for hijinks with Sera.  At least they must see each other now and then.  But I still get the feeling that Dorian is my Inqui's closest friend out of all the companions.

 

 

Wrong. I kept inquisition and got the crossbow slide

 

Indeed. My two Trevelyan Inquisitors, who romanced Cassandra and Josephine, were both believing Andrastians and kept the Inquisition as honour guard for their respective Divines, Cassandra and Leliana. Both got the crossbow slide. If you are friends with her and accept her offer, you will get it. a huge part both of Sera's friendship (and romance, actually) path is accepting her for who she is. If you do, she'll want to stay friends. She of course has a very different way of expressing herself than Dorian does, but I don't think she feels any less strongly.

[susanwb]

Wrong. I kept inquisition and got the crossbow slide

Really?  I could have sworn I didn't.  But, I expect you are correct and I am just remembering it wrong.

 

ETA:  Thinking about it again, that particular Inquisitor may have turned her down, since she fully intended to keep the Inquisition going and didn't want to divide her energy.