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anyone feel like hawke had it really hard?


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gabeperron

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HE lost his brother at the beginning he lost Bethany after Act 1 from departing from the deep roads. He lost his mom Leandra during the blood magic ritual.

 

Two of these can't even be reversed and lets face it on everyone's first playthrough Bethany dies anyway and you cant save her.

 

Thug life HAwke, 


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gummybeardreams

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Depending on what class you pick determined who died first of the siblings but yes. I always thought hawke had a difficult life. I would always get so steamed when Sebastian would demand  that anders die. if You okay the act one with him in your  party   you can make your sibling join the wardens. but with out anders they would have died for sure. which is sad. because  then it means  hawke would be truly alone. with no one but his  greedy uncle and  thats nothing anyone should want



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Cyrus Amell

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I always played Hawke with the mindset that before his father died that he was entrusted with looking out for his family. Well - we lose one sibling to a cinematic ogre mauling just outside Lothering, we lose our mother to a forced sequence that leaves her mutilated at the hands of a mad blood mage, and then we are left with one sibling unless we made the poor choice of bringing him or her to the Deep Roads without Anders to help with yet another near unavoidable story element. 
 

That just ended badly. Any chance we can throw in Uncle Gamlen's survival as a point towards success? I thought not. At least we have Charade, she seems nice. 

 

I was always miffed that Leandra, who was a really solid character, was thrown to the wayside for a cheap horror thrill ala Frankenstein. Are we supposed to hate mages and magic after what happened? Our father was a mage and there are so many Blood Mages in Kirkwall that getting killed by one seems like an accepted hazard. We destroyed an entire gang of the bastards in Hightown after all. 


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diaspora2k5

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Hawke did have a pretty rough time. I mean not as bleak as any of the Wardens, but Hawke's problems extended over like 9 years.


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I do love my F/Hawkes.  I think I cried every play thru for her somewhere.  Loved my humorous Isabela or Merrill loving Hawkes.

My one Male goody two shoes gay choir boy Hawke got on my last nerve though.  Maybe no1 should date Anders.

Truly.  Hawke had it hard.

Yes, Bethany died in the deep road the first time.  When Carver died in her stead, I wasn't so hurt, but losing mom no matter what...just hurt.

Hawke was tragic.  Never cared for a male Hawke as much, maybe never had the right the fit.  10 playthrus you'd think I would have found one.



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Hawke was a really bad hero. They failed to save their families, they failed to prevent the Qunari from taking over Kirkwall, they failed to prevent (probably) their best friend or lover from making shits hit the fan. Also unleashed one of the worst villain into Thedas. Hawke really need a good hug from Varric.



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I think DA2 did an astonishingly terrible work at conveying Hawke's suffering. This game had all it takes to be quite depressing or a tearjerker, but there isn't a single moment when I even feel sad despite everything Hawke goes through. Even her mother's death have zero effect on me... and, believe me, I am a crybaby for games/movies/books.

 

Aveline passing by to see how Hawke was holding up was the closest I came to actually getting emotional, but that was all. It wouldn't hurt if we had more moments focused on Hawke and how she was handling all the **** she was through.


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GoldenGail3

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After dowloanding DA2 on my desktop, I really don't care for Hawke. Really, I don't. At least the Warden was more realistic then Hawke (The Warden worked there way to Earl Eamon's house, almost all the game is spent camping, which is awesome.)



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Hawke did have it hard, but suffering builds character. ;)

 

 

I think to those who think BioWare did a bad job portraying it, it's because there's a tremendous amount of time lapse happening all the damned time. 

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  Nevertheless, it was up to BioWare to figure out how to present Hawke's ordeal and make players sympathetic to his/her plight.



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The poor guy/gal was surrounded by idiots, jerks, madmen, backstabbers and had a cast of companions that couldn't stand one another in a city that seemed hellbent on getting destroyed. 

 

Yeah, Hawke had a pretty hard time. 


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ioannisdenton

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yeap. this is why i loved Da2 and i thought it was a great game beneath the boring kirkwall envitroments (loved the coast though)


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Well, on the bright side, Hawke now has a friend in the Viscount's office who is probably not going to be an ineffectual, pusillanimous pussyfooter. Maybe she can get start rolling with the Friends of Red Jenny and wipe out bandits at night. With Anders dead, at least Sebastian isn't stomping through there. 

 

Two of these can't even be reversed and lets face it on everyone's first playthrough Bethany dies anyway and you cant save her.

 

I only lost Bethany once and that was because I rolled a mage. In all other playthroughs, when Leandra came and interrupted Bartrand's little meeting in Hightown, a big meta-flag was waving right there that told me to leave her behind, though I most certainly brought Carver along. I couldn't leave his whiny ass in Kirkwall by himself. He'd probably drive Leandra crazy. 


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Are you kidding? The entire game is just bad things happening to Hawke and you make a thread asking if people think Hawke had it rough?



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Are you kidding? The entire game is just bad things happening to Hawke and you make a thread asking if people think Hawke had it rough?

which is exactly why sarcastic hawke was so badass.
I loved the sarcastic attitude,if only  other bioware games featured that


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On my first playthough, I first watched Carver die by the way of an Ogre, then took Bethany with me to the deep roads, without Anders in the party, and lost her, then watched my mom be turned into Frankenstein by an insane mage. And for good measure, selected one wrong dialogue option in the course of Merrill's personal quest, and had to slaughter the entire Dalish clan.

 

So yes, my first Hawke at least may have felt that the world was a distinctly unkind place. :(


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It was the whole point of his story. I loved it.



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Yeah Hawke had it bad. She saw her sister get slammed to the ground by a cartoon looking hornhead. Her mother is turned into a freak by some piece of crap. The only family she had left was her brother and uncle

 

So what did she do? She took her frustration out on the baddies. She burned them. Froze them. Then at the end, she joined forces with Meredith to rid the city of mages.

 

Then it happened again. She killed her good friend Meredith who was going crazy.



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which is exactly why sarcastic hawke was so badass.
I loved the sarcastic attitude,if only  other bioware games featured that

 

Literally why it's hard for me to play DA2 without making my hawke sarcastic. Though I will say that I did enjoy the 'no crap, get out of my face or die' hawke attitude as well. 


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KaiserShep

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which is exactly why sarcastic hawke was so badass.
I loved the sarcastic attitude,if only  other bioware games featured that

Yeah I can't get enough of SarcHawke. I love a protagonist that can be lighthearted and make light of everything to contrast with their proficiency for intense violence. AggroHawke is good on occasion, but much less so for me, and I don't even touch diplomatic. 


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SwobyJ

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A mix.

 

On one hand, he had more privilege (whether through lineage, hard as it was to reaffirm it, or individual work, or opportunities opening up) than the Warden. He's never wanted by the law in Act 1 (lets forget Mage class for a sec), he is wealthy in Act 2, and he's the city elite (and Free Marches nobility) in Act 3.

 

But on the other...weighted hard... he suffers a lot. A lot. The Warden may have been set for death and facing the dread of a Darkspawn invasion, which is definitely dire, but I feel that at least they could have comparatively more happiness in the meantime. Hawke? He steps up, then gets bashed down, then steps up again, then gets bashed down.

 

However, we have to keep in mind that DA2 is set over the course of several years. Frankly, for many people, several years contain at least some hardships.

-Pre-prologue Lothering is nice, outside of losing his father, but is then attacked and Hawke and his family must flee. Loses sibling and endures a cramped boat ride to a place he's never been to. Waits for weeks(?) then has to work a year just to properly live in the city.

-But then after that, the dire situation is over. Anything he does after that is to fund the expedition to get out of Lowtown, or sidequesty optional parts of his life.

-Act 1, possibly loses sibling (or at least separates from them), but gains riches and elevates family to Hightown. For years, things seem rather comfortable, as Kirkwall can go.

-But then after that, Hawke's mother is killed, leaving him mostly with his several friends he made way back. The Qunari invasion of the city occurs and his home is ravaged but he saves it when almost all seems lost.

-Act 3, Hawke is at the near top of the city and has near top authority and respect of it. He may or may not have an idea of an intact family at this point (depending on sibling outcomes and maybe DLC). He at least forms a makeshift family with his friends, or at least a sort of company.

-With the Kirkwall Rebellion, betrayal of a friend, and evaporation of the class placement he had built up over several years, Hawke's life is clearly nearly shattered. Some things can change the context of this, like certain romances, his set personality (diplomatic, sarcastic, aggressive), who he picked, but he's still pushed down again by the world, as if it never wants him to be truly happy.

-In Inquisition, as far as an adventuring loner (more or less) goes, he's doing 'okay', but with a heavy chip on his shoulder due to past events and the blood magic (first for survival, then for power), and templar corruption (first institutionally, then red lyrium) involvement in it.

 

 

Hawke has much of him that feels like 'self-made man'. He could have lost or given up at any point, but he doesn't, and that does bring a period of months to years of relative peace and even prosperity.

 

 

IMO Hawke is not necessarily done though.

1)If left in the Fade, there's leading lines that may indicate, in terms of storytelling, that some form of him is not finished. Falling into the abyss in order to learn how to fly, yadda yadda. In my craziest speculation, it involves a spirit form of him returning and being all cool and new and able to transform into a dragon :P. Won't be a human Hawke but a spirit demogod one will do!

2)If left on Thedas, he clearly gets involved in some matters in Weisshaupt. With how the DAI and its DLC and epilogues timelines work out, we could very well see him again there in a DA4 or DA5. Not necessarily core to the events there, but optionally involved.

3)If left on Thedas, he apparently, no matter what, rejoins Varric at Kirkwall, finish rebuilding it (I suppose with Aveline, and with or without Sebastian's help, etc) and Hawke may return as nobility of what may be a more secure and healthy setup for the city - ideally, a shining capital instead of a decaying port. He may rejoin with his love there and we can so far headcanon him actually having a happy life (with or without one his siblings, and without his parents) with some of his friends and his love interest.

 

*Used male Hawke for my case, for convenience.

 

 

 

 

 

In summary, yes, I think Hawke had it really hard. But I also don't think that any version of Hawke would want us pitying him, but instead helping him to make our own lives and the world of Thedas better than before. Its his will that has helped disaster happen, sure, but seemingly also great positive potential - again, for his life, for the lives of others, and the world of Thedas. The world is unkind to him, but Hawke doesn't give a f**k, he'll forge his own way (at least as far as he sees things). He happens to at least have the 'privilege' to have the strength and opportunity to do so. An example is his own family line. There's wealth and nobility and respect for the Hawkes, sure, but Hawke still had to do the personal work to establish it again as relevant in Kirkwall. He's a goddamn conservative hero *wipes tear*.

 

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Hawke definitely had a hard life, potentially losing all of her family (father, sibling, other sibling, mother), and potentially her romantic partner, or having to kill the family of her partner. In addition to potentially being a hunted apostate mage. 

 

It's a lot, no doubt.