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[Ryzaki]

Eh it's a good game but it's not for me. I don't see the point in harping on it though. Especially in a DAI thread.

[Marshal Moriarty]

I often play as a female character, simply because its so comparitively rare to be able to do so in narrative heavy games. The Bioware games don't exactly have great main stories, but even a fairly straightforward sci-fi action romp like ME2 feels a little more original if the character is female. For the simple fact that mostly every other time you've seen this stuff in the billions of other games and movies etc you've consumed, the main character was a guy.

 

It extends to the characters too. If you have a male character, then most writers will have a huge sea of material to look to for how certain characters react to Male Main Character Hero Guy in mostly every situation, and many of the leading female NPCs will fall into familiar patterns of how they interact, based on whether the game is intending them to be a love interest or mentor or little sister or whatever.

 

All that is slightly more open with a female main character. It just feels like newer territory, with more room to do something new in the character interactions, and even just the imagery of seeing a female character taking the spotlight in the big scenes makes even the cliched plot elements and sequences feel fresher.

[Nefla]

Perhaps, then, it doesn't come out right in still pictures. They really do look quite different when playing the game.

They have different personalities and voices which probably contributes to the "different" impression. Objectively they're physically very similar aside from hair and clothing. It's something we've become used to in games, female characters with so little variation other than hair and clothing (DA2 was rampant with this) that if something is even slightly different we see it as a big deal. Leliana and Morrigan have faces that much more closely match that video game female "norm."

[BSpud]

I get the feeling there isn't much TW series could ever have done to have gotten you on board in the first place

 

Not having an incredibly obnoxious fandom might've helped.

[Panda]

On the thread's subtopic of attractiveness:

Not sure why Cassie gets a bad rap on looks actually. I tend to like a prominent jaw on a girl, and a lot of lusted-after movie actresses share it- even Angelina Jolie- but Cassie's really isn't that prominent comparatively. I do like longer hair, but Cassie isn't exactly "butch." The girly shows... or my superpower hetero male senses wouldn't tingle. ("Oh, they tingle at all sorts of women..." Shut up, libido!) Her voice actress is quite good too- not as hawt as Sigrun's, DAOMerrill's, or FemHawke's, but still... Makes Krem a curiosity as well..

 

I'm quite confused about Cass as well, has been since release, cause I think the short hair and strong jaw comments are bit stupid and it's not like there hasn't been characters around that have similar jaw or hair like Cass does and I haven't seen people complaining about their looks similarly.

 

I mean to me Cass just has similar looks as:

 

Selina Kyle (DC Comics)

 

 

& Madison (Heavy Rain)

 

 

So Cassandra's looks to me are quite normal and not something manly or wrong like some players have claimed ^^;

[Nefla]

Not having an incredibly obnoxious fandom might've helped.

I would definitely recommend the 3rd game at least. Though the female characters all have that generic face and body, they're actually very well written and voiced. Though BioWare is usually top dog when it comes to characters and companion moments/camaraderie, I thought that TW3 was amazing in that regard. There's this one scene in particular where Geralt is drinking with his two friends that he's known since childhood and it was both hilarious and heartwarming. You really get a sense that you're watching actual people rather than simply characters.

[Ieldra]

About playing female characters as a male player:

 

I feel more limited when I play male characters. I'm not sure I know all the reasons, there may be some psychology involved I'm unaware of, but a part of it is that I dislike most typical male hero stereotypes and tropes, and playing a male tends to remind me of those. Also in many games it's as if the game expects me to play a male, and I dislike being pushed in things like this enough to make it a point to do the opposite. And lastly, *if* I can't avoid those dislikable tropes, at least their impact is lessened if applied to a female character. For instance, an action-hero woman is still uncommon enough to at least be interesting, and they tend to attract my most hated trope less often - very moderate intelligence (if I'm polite), while the villain is often portrayed as super-smart, resulting in a serious case of "dumb is good" (looking at you, Shepard and Illusive Man, though here even playing femShep didn't save you from the hero's mind-numbing stupidity).

 

People often surmise that men play women in games with 3rd person perspective because it's more pleasant to look at a woman. That may be a factor, but I can be reasonably sure it's not the deciding one in my case, since I've had this preference forever, and back in 1992 graphics weren't good enough for that to be a factor. I also play a woman in tabletop rpgs rather more often than most of the other male tabletop roleplayers I know.

 

That I felt comfortable playing a male hero as well as a female in DAO and DA2 is a credit to these games. In DAI, unfortunately, this is not the case. I can't pinpoint the reason.

 

About perceptions of attractivenes:

 

I don't find Cassandra particularly attractive. I also don't find her ugly. She looks ok, moderately pleasant to look at as normal women tend to be to normal straight men as a rule, nothing extraordinary in either direction. That's good. She doesn't need more and wouldn't profit from less. Also, "moderately pleasant" means that factors other than attractiveness decide whether I'd romance her. She's not one I'd reject if drawn to her for other reasons, and not one I'd pursue for attractiveness alone. That's also good. And lastly, I'm aware that all of this is strictly my personal impression. 

[Fredward]

About playing female characters as a male player:

 

I feel more limited when I play male characters. I'm not sure I know all the reasons, there may be some psychology involved I'm unaware of, but a part of it is that I dislike most typical male hero stereotypes and tropes, and playing a male tends to remind me of those. Also in many games it's as if the game expects me to play a male, and I dislike being pushed in things like this enough to make it a point to do the opposite.

 

Word. I have this dislike for tropes/stereotypes that seems to be growing with the amount of media I consume. It's not enough that I'll skip it if I have to play Manly Man #34754 but I VASTLY prefer playing something different, subverting the expected if even only a little and primarily in my own head. In games this tends to take the form of me rolling females or non-straight males. Different races too if they're present.

[maia0407]

That person is an abomination and deserves to be ridiculed. Why?

Because she is a piece of trash that sexualises children for fame. Ever heard of a show called 'Toddlers and Tiaras'?

Google it, and in no time you will discover young girls dolled up like grown women, in outfits. The woman I make fun of, is a mother of one of these children. As I said, she is a piece of trash and deserves all the mockery and ridicule in the world. Yes, I will continue to laugh my arse off at her. I make no apologies, no regrets. The woman should be rotting in a jail cell.

Sweetjeezusfuck people take things far too seriously on this forum.

Her appearance has nothing to do with her decision to put her children in a beauty pageant. Or, perhaps it does in that she's received the message loudly that looks are all that matter. It's ironic that you can see the harm that comes from putting children in a beauty pageant but not see the harm that comes from deriding a woman's appearance. Both issues share common problematic characteristics, namely valuing women for looks alone and valuing sexualized women (and children) above all.

 

I agree with your disgust of the beauty pageants; I don't agree with your choice to mock a person's weight to make a point about what men find attractive. And, really, your take away from this is that people are too serious on this forum? Perhaps you should consider that many people don't find humor that hurts others funny. I know it's the 'cool' thing to do and all, but there ya' have it.

 

Yup, the exploitation of children is wrong and people who engage in it deserve censure, no argument about that. But posting a picture of someone with the intention of inciting ridicule based on their appearance doesn't say a darned thing about their behavior. All it says is that the person posting the picture is capable of stooping to that level.

 

It's also hella off-topic. We were talking about the apparent abundance of players who play as female protagonists, in case anyone has forgotten.

This. Perfectly said.

 

Lol. Oh here we go.. So I'm on an equal footing with a piece of trash who exploits her children because I ridiculed her to make a point about Cassandra?

Sorry but this logic or mode of attack doesn't work on me. That dead horse has been beaten for many years.. It isn't the first and it won't be the last time I will hear that in my life.I have nothing to prove to anybody and I will crawl around in the slimy, dangy recesses of hell if I have to -- because it's more fun than acting like that woman is a poor, innocent victim with a "mental issue" and getting my undies in a twist about it.

No need to exaggerate. No one is putting you on equal footing with the pageant moms. Your participation in devaluing women of any size is what is being called out. I know it is tempting to conflate the issue of beauty pageants with the issue of fat shaming to defend yourself but that won't work. It's possible to separate the issues and criticize pageant mom for sexualizing her daughter while leaving her appearance out of it. It's also possible to criticize your post without supporting pageant mom's choices. In fact, doing so makes your argument stronger.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I'm male IRL but I play women mostly in games when given the chance.

I'm not really roleplaying or anything, I just play as who I am IRL - in DA - as a woman. If that makes any sense...

[SharpWalkers]

They have different personalities and voices which probably contributes to the "different" impression. Objectively they're physically very similar aside from hair and clothing. It's something we've become used to in games, female characters with so little variation other than hair and clothing (DA2 was rampant with this) that if something is even slightly different we see it as a big deal. Leliana and Morrigan have faces that much more closely match that video game female "norm."

 

Well, maybe my eyes are crooked, but I see plenty of clear differences in their facial features beyond hair & eye colour.

 

Spoiler

 

 

But I'd say that's enough off-topic.

[Ieldra]

I'm male IRL but I play women mostly in games when given the chance.

I'm not really roleplaying or anything, I just play as who I am IRL - in DA - as a woman. If that makes any sense...

Of course it does. You switch genders but everything else stays the same. Do you have an idea about the reasons for your preference?

[maia0407]

@Sharpe:

The facial structures appear very similar to me. There might be some minor tweaks but those two could be sisters. Are they?

[Donk]

Her appearance has nothing to do with her decision to put her children in a beauty pageant. Or, perhaps it does in that she's received the message loudly that looks are all that matter. It's ironic that you can see the harm that comes from putting children in a beauty pageant but not see the harm that comes from deriding a woman's appearance. Both issues share common problematic characteristics, namely valuing women for looks alone and valuing sexualized women (and children) above all.

 

I agree with your disgust of the beauty pageants; I don't agree with your choice to mock a person's weight to make a point about what men find attractive. And, really, your take away from this is that people are too serious on this forum? Perhaps you should consider that many people don't find humor that hurts others funny. I know it's the 'cool' thing to do and all, but there ya' have it.

 

This. Perfectly said.

 

No need to exaggerate. No one is putting you on equal footing with the pageant moms. Your participation in devaluing women of any size is what is being called out. I know it is tempting to conflate the issue of beauty pageants with the issue of fat shaming to defend yourself but that won't work. It's possible to separate the issues and criticize pageant mom for sexualizing her daughter while leaving her appearance out of it. It's also possible to criticize your post without supporting pageant mom's choices. In fact, doing so makes your argument stronger.

 

I do get your point, however..

 

This "devaluing women" business. Don't preach to me. I am a woman, who is a lesbian. I love women. I adore them, I fall at my feet and worship them. I love them short, tall, "overweight" and small. Dark skinned, white skinned, dark hair, red hair, you get the drill.

 

Hell, I crushed on an overweight woman in my last job. I thought she was beautiful. You don't know me, so knock off this preachy crap.

 

Secondly, where in my joke post did I say anything about overweight in the first place? That was YOUR assumption. I'm less concerned about the weight, more the ridiculous constipated expression on her face while she dances to her sexualised daughter, who is earning her fame and bucks. But that is beside the point; when I dislike something, I make fun of it. Myself, and many other people in this world. It is how we deal with ridiculous mind numbing crap such as "toddler beauty pageants". Now, if she was the friendly next door neighbour who greeted me and asked how my day was, I wouldn't even dream of making fun of her.

 

This person, to put it bluntly, is scum. Don't dictate how I should make fun of her. I may be using her "physical attributes" as a means to ridicule her, but I really don't care -- if she was skinny, I would call her an anorexic bimbo. Example: my ex, is blonde and thin. I used to call her beautiful all the time.. these days she is relegated to "blonde bimbo" status. I'm not insulting all of the thin blonde ladies out there -- just her.

 

Now, having said that, I want to let any woman who may have been offended by that post to know that I wasn't targetting them, but her individually. Better yet, it wasn't even about that.. I was parodying the constant whinging about Cassandra "looking like a man" due to "scientific evidence". I've been on these forums for quite a while so now it has become somewhat of a running joke. I am happy to sacrifice and "devalue" that sloth in question, to prove a point. All in the name of fun and games.

 

I know you mean well, Maia, but you need to face reality here -- you are idealistic, but the world will never be how you want it. There will always be arseholes and bigots. And I may act like one at times, but I do have standards.

 

As for the comment about "people take sh*t in these forums too seriously", I am referring to the fact that not one day will go by without some topic turning into a heated political debate about gender, sexuality and other such political issues.

[Sylvianus]

I like the witcher 3, but I agree with those who say that all romanceable gals look almost all similar. I didn't even need reading this forum to be aware of that, it striked me immediately by just playing the game. There isn't much variety and that was annoying. That's so blatant to me that I couldn't even lie if I wanted to. The same pale female character with light eyes and the same facial structure almost everywhere. It's like the developper had only one model with just minor things tweaked on the face like different makeup, eyes color, noses, so the gals don't exactly the same as well. Not everyone has the same ideals, right.. ?

 

I personally found a bit annoying that the devs offered me several choices, but choices that actually looked quite similar, as if it were a joke lol. 

 

Here, another example, another romanceable gal. There Keira :

 

 

She looks absolutely similar to yennefer to me, and this is what I immediately thought the first time I saw her in the game. I was like " wow, really ? "  . Tweak the nose like Yennefer, put the same eyebrows and hairstyle as Yennefer, put the same eye color and color hair, same color eyebrows, the same makeup, and this is pretty much her.  

 

It's the same for Ciri, but she has a particular makeup that hides much better how similar she looks, but she is, believe me. She looks close to yen too, if you looks carefully and is able to look beyond the makeup and tweak a few things. To be honest, I can't believe most straight males aren't able to see it. 

 

And that's where I much prefer Sera, Josephine and Cassandra, and even Vivienne anyway. Because, there, you can be sure that even if you tweak a few things on their face, it still won't make them similar at all. 

[maia0407]

I do get your point, however..

 

This "devaluing women" business. Don't preach to me. I am a woman, who is a lesbian. I love women. I adore them, I fall at my feet and worship them. I love them short, tall, "overweight" and small. Dark skinned, white skinned, dark hair, red hair, you get the drill.

 

Hell, I crushed on an overweight woman in my last job. I thought she was beautiful. You don't know me, so knock off this preachy crap.

 

Secondly, where in my joke post did I say anything about overweight in the first place? That was YOUR assumption. I'm less concerned about the weight, more the ridiculous constipated expression on her face while she dances to her sexualised daughter, who is earning her fame and bucks. But that is beside the point; when I dislike something, I make fun of it. Myself, and many other people in this world. It is how we deal with ridiculous mind numbing crap such as "toddler beauty pageants". Now, if she was the friendly next door neighbour who greeted me and asked how my day was, I wouldn't even dream of making fun of her.

 

This person, to put it bluntly, is scum. Don't dictate how I should make fun of her. I may be using her "physical attributes" as a means to ridicule her, but I really don't care -- if she was skinny, I would call her an anorexic bimbo. Example: my ex, is blonde and thin. I used to call her beautiful all the time.. these days she is relegated to "blonde bimbo" status. I'm not insulting all of the thin blonde ladies out there -- just her.

 

Now, having said that, I want to let any woman who may have been offended by that post to know that I wasn't targetting them, but her individually. Better yet, it wasn't even about that.. I was parodying the constant whinging about Cassandra "looking like a man" due to "scientific evidence". I've been on these forums for quite a while so now it has become somewhat of a running joke. I am happy to sacrifice and "devalue" that sloth in question, to prove a point. All in the name of fun and games.

 

I know you mean well, Maia, but you need to face reality here -- you are idealistic, but the world will never be how you want it. There will always be arseholes and bigots. And I may act like one at times, but I do have standards.

 

As for the comment about "people take sh*t in these forums too seriously", I am referring to the fact that not one day will go by without some topic turning into a heated political debate about gender, sexuality and other such political issues.

You are correct, I don't know you; all I know about you is how you present yourself with your posts. It's great that you like overweight people; it's still not cool to mock people for their appearance. You seem very defensive and I get that it's hard to be criticized. But, calling out problematic elements within your posts isn't being preachy or dictating how you can express yourself. I am pointing out the problems and letting others know that not everyone agrees with ridiculing people based on looks.  Allowing posts with problematic content to stand unchallenged gives the impression that everyone is okay with that nonsense. I'm not. That's how forums and, well, society works.

 

Dismissing the criticisms as being 'too serious' or 'preachy' or whatever comes next is just a way to let yourself off the hook without engaging with the problem. Dismissing me as 'idealistic' while defending your admitted tendency to stoop to a lower level is also a defense mechanism. Arguing for better treatment of people isn't idealistic; it's giving much needed push back in defense of those that are routinely mocked. You seem young so perhaps that's part of the issue here. I'm not really sure.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Of course it does. You switch genders but everything else stays the same. Do you have an idea about the reasons for your preference?

 

Sorry this turned out WAY longer than I meant to Will leave it here if people are bored enough to read it. English is not my native language so I hope I managed to convey this as intended.

 

Always been curious if being a different gender would change my behaviour as to "who I am". Primarily because I personally find the idea of gender importance for personality - as something culturally and socially determined and artificial. As in - the extremely polarized gender roles for behaviour are not natural but artificially created by humans. I always found it silly personally that many people put such an enormous importance on gender when it comes to personal identity. 

 

So if males and females were brought up from children and up in an environment completely closed out from the influence of modern society - the differences in gender would be lessened dramatically, and the equality of genders would increase dramatically (seeing as if the control group were raised neutral of gender). I wanted to explore if being another gender would change me, it didnt. Further proving my theory that gender roles are artificially polarized by social and cultural values, traditions and upbringing.

 

It all started when my mother asked me when I was younger - when I would start drinking coffee to "grow up", and when someone told me I should take an interest in sports and cars (in which I had no interest) by saying "be a man!" in half-jest. As I could not logically see any correlation between coffee, sports, cars and masculinity or "being a man" as someone put it - I realized that something as trivial cars - an object for transportation - is actually something people couple with gender identity (which I found bizarre). It was further puzzling to me as physical strength is an obsolete survival trait in civilized countries. If in a parallel universe men were the ones using makeup and women never shaved their legs, then the gender identity would be different but still due to factors which serves no natural function.

 

Conclusion: I started playing female characters in RPGs as myself as a social experiment to discover if my thesis that gender identity is artificial and not natural is correct. After 15 years of doing so I can say that core identity was unaffected by putting me in the opposite gender and that all problems or situations I've encountered due to gender were all applied externally and not internally.

 

Ofcourse an experiment like this does not take into account real life situations and only takes one side of the coin into account (male -> female). But I'm positive that if children of both sexes were raised on a colony on Mars where men and women were raised completely equal and neutral as to gender role, there would be little to no differences or views on the opposite gender. In other words, gender polarization when it comes to personal identity is naturally minimal but has been maximized in the minds of humans due to culture, society and tradition. And in a perfect world - gender would not be a primary personal identity attribute. This goes for males wanting to be females, females wanting to be males, males feeling the need to be "more male/masculine" and females feeling the need to be "more female/feminine". All in all, it started as an experiment over a decade ago and I still do it out of habit due to an insatiable need for more "data".

 

Just kidding just wanted a pretty behind to look at while I play lol. 

 

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That last line was a joke

[PhroXenGold]

To be fair to the Witcher, it makes some degree of sense that all the romanceable women look similar - after all, they're all women that the same person (Geralt) finds attractive enough to want to romance....

[Donk]

You are correct, I don't know you; all I know about you is how you present yourself with your posts. It's great that you like overweight people; it's still not cool to mock people for their appearance. You seem very defensive and I get that it's hard to be criticized. But, calling out problematic elements within your posts isn't being preachy or dictating how you can express yourself. I am pointing out the problems and letting others know that not everyone agrees with ridiculing people based on looks.  Allowing posts with problematic content to stand unchallenged gives the impression that everyone is okay with that nonsense. I'm not. That's how forums and, well, society works.

 

Dismissing the criticisms as being 'too serious' or 'preachy' or whatever comes next is just a way to let yourself off the hook without engaging with the problem. Dismissing me as 'idealistic' while defending your admitted tendency to stoop to a lower level is also a defense mechanism. Arguing for better treatment of people isn't idealistic; it's giving much needed push back in defense of those that are routinely mocked. You seem young so perhaps that's part of the issue here. I'm not really sure.

 

Ah yes.. speaking of defense mechanisms "you seem young". *Jumps on the defensive* now you are discriminating me because I'm young! That's not on. I have a problem with that. /sarcasm.

 

No, sweetheart. You see problems... I don't. That is my point. I'm just informing you that I only make fun of or "devalue" people within reason. Obviously, you don't agree with that in any sense. So let's agree to disagree, shall we?

[maia0407]

Ah yes.. speaking of defense mechanisms "you seem young". *Jumps on the defensive* now you are discriminating me because I'm young! That's not on. I have a problem with that. /sarcasm.

 

No, sweetheart. You see problems... I don't. That is my point. I'm just informing you that I only make fun of or "devalue" people within reason. Obviously, you don't agree with that in any sense. So let's agree to disagree, shall we?

It's sad that you can't see that criticizing actual behaviors makes your point much more clearly. Conflating looks with bad behavior only perpetuates stereotypes, leaves room for misunderstandings of your intent (like this thread), and hurts others that may share those looks but not the behaviors. But, good to know you only do it within 'reason'. Not sure what that means, honestly. At any rate, yes, I question age as it seems that certain age groups engage in this type of behavior more than others (and defend it more vigorously). Yeah, we'll just have to disagree.

[Donk]

It's sad that you can't see that criticizing actual behaviors makes your point much more clearly. Conflating looks with bad behavior only perpetuates stereotypes, leaves room for misunderstandings of your intent (like this thread), and hurts others that may share those looks but not the behaviors. But, good to know you only do it within 'reason'. Not sure what that means, honestly. At any rate, yes, I question age as it seems that certain age groups engage in this type of behavior more than others (and defend it more vigorously). Yeah, we'll just have to disagree.

 

I am 24, however, age has nothing to do with it. I have known people from older age groups who act more "immature" than I See your point about "conflating looks with bad behaviour perpetuates stereotype"; you are no better. You just assumed I was young, based on what you perceive to be as "immature" behaviour. You were right about that, but that is beside the point.

 

And yes, I do acknowledge that I may have indirectly hurt somebody's feelings, hence me explaining. So let me sum it up for you, and any body else who may be reading; if somebody is "ugly" on the inside, I will ridicule and make fun of them using all the ammo I am given, be it anything from looks to behaviour. But it's about the *individual* -- I was making fun of that one person, not the millions of other "overweight" women in the world. To further my point, I even stated I crushed on a woman who was overweight. And keep in mind, you were the one who pointed the "overweight" factor out. I only posted an image, so a lot of your argument is based on an assumption.

 

You may think that it isn't okay to make fun of anybody, no matter what the reason; but we are two different people. These days, people get away with far too much while decent people suffer. So I hold an "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" ideal, where as the media and loud people these days try to dictate to me, "Forgive, turn the other cheek, and forget".

 

Anyhow, in relation to that poor innocent victim that I made fun of (you know, the one who capitalizes on sexualizing her kid) this argument is here nor there. For the moment, it serves my amusement and boredom. But as long as big TV corporations gain ratings from the millions of people who watch this crap, then nothing will change. It is as much pointless to make fun of her, as it is to go on Tumblr or social media and say, "This is wrong." At least my way, I have some fun and get amusement out of it.

 

This woman is probably loaded with cash, and hey.. obviously somebody found her attractive; she had a kid!

So who cares what some average nobody such as myself thinks, when she is rolling in --no, won't say that, it may be offensive--making lots of cash, living the dream?

[ZoliCs]

I can't think of a single culture across all of human existence that didn't maintain base fundamentals like symmetry as an attractive trait.

 

I'm late to the party....but wut?

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[Sylvianus]

@ Donk, I don't really understand your logic, to be honest that seems weirdly close to what a child said to me once at school. 

 

When I was 10 years, there was a boy who didn't like me, who said very ugly racist comments about me, appearance included, using all his " ammo " he could have. ( And to be honest he had reasons to not like me, I was quite a jerk when I was a child, everyone was frightened of me, fortunately I grew up ) Infortunately for him, he assumed badly that because other people despised me, they would laugh with him, he was wrong lol. To my surprise, plenty of children shocked and yet who disliked me as much as him came to warn me that he said [ racist comments about me ], and again to my surprise half of the school while I was totally unpopular wanted me to kick his ass, following me while I was going to confront him. 

 

Already crying when I came at his side, the boy isolated, while hostile people were surrounding him, his excuse was " I said [ racist comments ] because of him, I was just making fun of him, just against him as a black guy, but I don't have anything against black people. Even if we were just children, that answer didn't even seem to make any sense to any of us. 

 

What skin color and appearance has anything to do with a behavior you truly dislike ? 

 

My question is simple. Do you really think that " anything " is justified " if someone deserves it " and if it is directed " against one individual " Do you believe that he could totally use this " ammo " directed at one individual?  And do you believe that other folks reacting in a negative way might take the issue a bit too seriously because it was just directed against one individual ?

 

I'm pretty sure you meant no harm, by the way. I'm just really genuinely asking out of curiosity after reading your last post which seemed a bit absolute. I'll accept any answer, I just want things to be clear once and for all. 

[Panda]

There is lot to talk about hmm..

 

@Sylvianus I actually though that pic was Yennefer with blond mod or something before reading the text, it really seems like they just changed Yennefer's hair and it's suddenly another character ^^;

 

@SomeoneStolyMyName Those are interesting thoughts. I have also thought a bit about how it's different for me to play female and male characters and or is there differences, but there isn't much difference in actual characters, I play both goody and evil female and male characters that have their own greyness (cause black and white is boring). Still somewhat I have feeling that there is something different when playing different genders, like the feel is bit different or sth. I'm not sure. Reading your text though I thought it might be interesting to give try with self-insert character who is male (opposite gender as I am) and see how that goes, though I suck at self-inserts

 

On the terms of society having effect on gender differences, I wholeheartedly agree and there is quite lot social psychological studies about that around as well. I have heard that there is quite lot of gender-neutral kindergartens in the Sweden, I wonder if it has been observed how those are affected to gender differences of children of that young age.

 

@ZoliCs Symmetry is creepy..

[Donk]

@ Donk, I don't really understand your logic, to be honest that seems weirdly close to what a child said to me once at school.

When I was 10 years, there was a boy who didn't like me, who said racist comments about me, appearance included, using all his " ammo " he could have. ( And to be honest he had reasons to not like me, I was quite a jerk when I was a child, everyone was frightened of me, fortunately I grew up ) Infortunately for him, he assumed badly that because other people despised me, they would laugh with him, he was wrong lol. To my surprise, plenty of children shocked and yet who disliked me as much as him came to warn me that he said [ racist comments about me ], and again to my surprise half of the school while I was totally unpopular wanted me to kick his ass, following me while I was going to confront him.

Already crying when I came at his side, the boy isolated, while hostile people were surrounding him, his excuse was " I said [ racist comments ] because of him, I was just making fun of him, just against him as a black guy, but I don't have anything against black people. Even if we were just children, that answer didn't even seem to make any sense to any of us.

What skin color and appearance has anything to do with a behavior you truly dislike ?

My question is simple. Do you really think that " anything " is justified " if someone deserves it " and if it is directed " against one individual " Do you believe that he could totally use this " ammo " directed at one individual? And do you believe that other folks reacting in a negative way might take the issue a bit too seriously because it was just directed against one individual ?

I'm pretty sure you meant no harm, by the way. I'm just really genuinely asking out of curiosity after reading your last post which seemed a bit absolute. I'll accept any answer, I just want things to be clear once and for all.

Honestly, it depends on the circumstances. I've never attacked anybody based on their race, due to my own selfish, personal opinion about it being a rather silly mode of attack.. Skin colour is skin colour. What's insulting in that? Well.. Besides the prejudices and stereotypes, but anyway.

I know I am an arsehole at times. And obviously there are consequences for my actions. I'm not arguing against that, nor am I saying that I'm a saint.

What nobody seems to get is that I have admitted that I am an arsehole, but I like to consider myself as having standards. What I didn't appreciate was somebody preaching to me about devaluing women when for one, I am a woman myself and two, a lesbian who adores women. All because I posted a Gif of somebody who is a piece of trash.. And that person got on their high horse and preached to me, then backed down and tried to do the reverse psychology bullshit.

Now, this topic, as the usual case on the BSN, has blown way out of proportion. So I will say it again.

I am an arsehole.
Sorry for offending if I've offended anybody.
I was merely making a joke.

Will I stop, though? Probably not. Will I change? Nope.

Such is life.

If it's that bad, there is an ignore button. Or you can report me