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[Akrabra]

Isn't Humanity just one race? Colour as far as i know comes from climate. 

[Majestic Jazz]

There was a poll in the ME3 section a while back about race and gender for character creation. Most chose white race. Gender was nearly even. I can't find it because scuttlebutt is gone.

I just find it odd how BSN is very sensitive to topics regarding LGBT and sex equality but lord forbid if someone brings up racial equality or racial representation.

I guess it is an white privlege thing.
including white females and LGBT whites.

[Majestic Jazz]

Isn't Humanity just one race? Colour as far as i know comes from climate.

What an idealized statement and an easy way to dismiss the point. While what you say is true in theory, in practice that isnt the case. Ever heard of Jim Crow Laws or South African Apartheid?

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

You say that like they can't go together?

Reality is neutral, pitilessly indifferent. It is not sexist because that attributes intentionality to something where there is none.

[Panda]

Did you have extremes of blue and red? I found the extremes to be StupidShep (blue) or Assh*leShep (red), and neither appealed to me.

 

No, usually just characters that are mostly renegade or paragon or heroic/evil depending on the BW game. I try to do my characters more morally grey than black and white to make them more likeable.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I guess it is an white privlege thing.
including white females and LGBT whites.

 

Racism has been a big problem for the feminist movement an the LGBT movement(s), unfortunately. Just because you've experienced one kind of prejudice, doesn't mean you're going to be free from other kinds.

 

Slightly more on topic: video games could certainly use more women of colour.

[Panda]

Isn't Humanity just one race? Colour as far as i know comes from climate. 

 

Biology-wise yes, society-wise no, since race is social construct.

[Panda]

But am I wrong about white women dominating videogame female characters as opposed to black female characters?

I think we get a better representation of black males than we do with females in videogames.

My statement was an honest observation. Take it how you want black women are VERY underrepresented in videogames.

People talk about seeing a female character being used in Bioware marketing cause women are underrepresented as opposed to everything being male but nobody says about black wome. (Or other races) being underreepresented as opposed to white women.

Fair assessement.

 

Actually there has been threads about race and ME and DA both, people have asked better hair options for black PC in both games and also Bioware to make it easier to create character of certain race in the CC and DA-wise also there has been threads wondering where all Asians are. So it's not like it's not discussed at all.

[Akrabra]

What an idealized statement and an easy way to dismiss the point. While what you say is true in theory, in practice that isnt the case. Ever heard of Jim Crow Laws or South African Apartheid?

Yes i have. And Thank you? It wasn't meant as nitpicking or steering the conversation in a new direction. Personally i just don't see anything else than one race. Measurement of humanity should be in actions made. Not colour, religion, sex or preferences. I will bow out before i get into a discussion i will regret later.

[Ieldra]

But am I wrong about white women dominating videogame female characters as opposed to black female characters?

Probably not. That was not the point of my reply though. My point was that implying you're a racist if you don't play black characters is complete BS, not to say rude and obnoxious, and comes across as intellectually dense on top of it, exactly the kind of parody the reactionaries tend to make up in order to justify their position.

Also please note the cultural differences. We have few black people where I live. If I walk through my city for a few hours, I may see hundreds of East Asians and Turks, some South Asians and Arabs, and most likely not a single black-skinned person. In ME, I actually tried to give some of my Shepards East Asian and South Asian features, respectively, but that, too, had nothing at all to do with poltics. Neither is it in any way politically or morally "correct" that I did that, nor is it "incorrect" that I didn't do African features. Damn it. /EOR

I've often complained about people who turn everything into a representation issue. This is a prime example of why I hate that.

[maia0407]

I just find it odd how BSN is very sensitive to topics regarding LGBT and sex equality but lord forbid if someone brings up racial equality or racial representation.

I guess it is an white privlege thing.
including white females and LGBT whites.

Yes, white privilege plays a role in the lack of discussion about racial representation. I don't feel very qualified to speak on race so I usually limit my comments to "Yes, I support more diversity among the cast" or to state that I agree with someone who is qualified to speak on the issue. I'm fully aware that my own white privilege is the reason that I'm less knowledgeable about racial issues than I should be and I've been making an effort to remedy that by reading and listening to people on these issues.

 

So, I would love to hear anything you have to say about these issues. Is it problematic that players don't create more black characters? Is that showing some sort of bias? I don't know. Interesting food for thought.

 

I hope you are sincere with your comments, though as your first one read as if you were mocking feminists. I wouldn't have thought this about other posters but knowing your posting history and lack of empathy towards feminist issues, I suspect your motivations in this. I suspect you are the type to deny male privilege and are throwing out white privilege to see how many feminists will deny having it. Here's to hoping you prove me wrong.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Biology-wise yes, society-wise no, since race is social construct.

Uhm, no. Race is NOT a social construct. If you were a doctor and medically treated everyone as identical you could be sued for malpractice. People actually teach this at university? Absolutely shocking....

[Panda]

Uhm, no. Race is NOT a social construct. If you were a doctor and medically treated everyone as identical you could be sued for malpractice. People actually teach this at university? Absolutely shocking....

 

I have never heard doctor treating different races in different way   

 

Only way you can somewhat ground race to biology is genetics, but then race isn't best one either to use.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I have never heard doctor treating different races in different way 

 

Only way you can somewhat ground race to biology is genetics, but then race isn't best one either to use.

 

I have never heard doctor treating different races in different way 

 

Only way you can somewhat ground race to biology is genetics, but then race isn't best one either to use.

Have you ever researched medicine in this capacity?

 

http://www.the-scien...e-and-Medicine/

 

The role of race in medicine

These and related findings clearly support the presence of race-related variations in disease risk, disease progression, treatment response, and treatment-related side effects. As such, there remains an important role for race/ethnicity, as a marker for ancestry and often for culture, as well as other sociodemographic traits, in characterizing patients with respect to medical care. These variables can be helpful in understanding key aspects of health beliefs, health behaviors, access to care, and likely response to therapeutic interventions.

 

For example, persons of African descent in the United States who self-identify as black or African American are more likely to have certain biologic traits that were ancestrally protective in Africa, such as heterozygosity for sickle cell disease, which helps to protect against malaria, or the newly described APOL1 gene, which protects against trypanosomiasis (Science, 329:841-45, 2010). Of course, the allele that conveys malaria protection in heterozygotes causes sickle cell disease in those carrying two copies, and persons homozygous for the protective form of APOL1 are at increased risk for kidney failure. Thus, in settings where malaria and trypanosomiasis are rare, these biological traits are disadvantageous and may impart adverse health consequences.

 

The dogma, race is a social construct is actually dangerous to human beings who want to receive appropriate medical treatment.

[Heathen Oxman]

I have never heard doctor treating different races in different way 

 

Only way you can somewhat ground race to biology is genetics, but then race isn't best one either to use.

 

That depends on what kind of medical "treatment" is being sought.

 

There are certain diseases and conditions that affect certain populations at a much higher rate.  For example, sickle cell anemia, the thalassemias, or hemoglobinopathies.

 

During the diagnostic process, knowing someone's race and genetic background can help in reaching a conclusion.

[Donk]

I have never heard doctor treating different races in different way

Only way you can somewhat ground race to biology is genetics, but then race isn't best one either to use.

There are some differences.

I.e in my country (Australia) the Aboriginals (natives) are sensitive to much of white society's food due to their genetics not used to them. Alcohol, sugar and flour based products being common offenders. The reason being is that in some parts of the country it wasn't until the 1980's that the Aboriginals started going into white "mainstream" society (God I hate calling it that but I dunno what else to call it) now before that, they lived off the land.. Anything from wildlife to some plants.

As for the current topic: call me insane but I think black people have fair representation. Perhaps it is lacking in some games but Bioware has featured it's fair share throughout both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

As for the comment about people not choosing to play as black characters.. Personally I've never even thought about it. I always play white, though my Qunaris in Inquisition were always dark skinned. It's player choice.. Just because many people like to play a white character it doesn't make them racist. At the very least the option is there for those who want to play as one. These sorts of assumptions are rather annoying.

[Panda]

Have you ever researched medicine in this capacity?

 

http://www.the-scien...e-and-Medicine/

 

The role of race in medicine

These and related findings clearly support the presence of race-related variations in disease risk, disease progression, treatment response, and treatment-related side effects. As such, there remains an important role for race/ethnicity, as a marker for ancestry and often for culture, as well as other sociodemographic traits, in characterizing patients with respect to medical care. These variables can be helpful in understanding key aspects of health beliefs, health behaviors, access to care, and likely response to therapeutic interventions.

 

For example, persons of African descent in the United States who self-identify as black or African American are more likely to have certain biologic traits that were ancestrally protective in Africa, such as heterozygosity for sickle cell disease, which helps to protect against malaria, or the newly described APOL1 gene, which protects against trypanosomiasis (Science, 329:841-45, 2010). Of course, the allele that conveys malaria protection in heterozygotes causes sickle cell disease in those carrying two copies, and persons homozygous for the protective form of APOL1 are at increased risk for kidney failure. Thus, in settings where malaria and trypanosomiasis are rare, these biological traits are disadvantageous and may impart adverse health consequences.

 

The dogma, race is a social construct is actually dangerous to human beings who want to receive appropriate medical treatment.

 

I haven't searched medic more than common folk. I doubt race related to medicine and health care is that high in my country either.

 

I do know that different ethnicities and gene pools can have different kind of diseases, allergies, tolerances etc. but again I don't real tie race to this, race is too vast concept to use. For example Asian, health problems of Japanese and Indian might not be same, race would need to be narrowed more down to ethnicity for it make sense.

[Heathen Oxman]

There are some differences.

I.e in my country (Australia) the Aboriginals (natives) are sensitive to much of white society's food due to their genetics not used to them. Alcohol, sugar and flour based products being common offenders. The reason being is that in some parts of the country it wasn't until the 1980's that the Aboriginals started going into white "mainstream" society (God I hate calling it that but I dunno what else to call it) now before that, they lived off the land.. Anything from wildlife to some plants.

As for the current topic: call me insane but I think black people have fair representation. Perhaps it is lacking in some games but Bioware has featured it's fair share throughout both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

As for the comment about people not choosing to play as black characters.. Personally I've never even thought about it. I always play white, though my Qunaris in Inquisition were always dark skinned. It's player choice.. Just because many people like to play a white character it doesn't make them racist. At the very least the option is there for those who want to play as one. These sorts of assumptions are rather annoying.

 

Heh.

 

I almost always play non-white characters.

 

I play video games to be "not me" for a few hours, and being a non-white character helps with that.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

There are some differences.

I.e in my country (Australia) the Aboriginals (natives) are sensitive to much of white society's food due to their genetics not used to them. Alcohol, sugar and flour based products being common offenders. The reason being is that in some parts of the country it wasn't until the 1980's that the Aboriginals started going into white "mainstream" society (God I hate calling it that but I dunno what else to call it) now before that, they lived off the land.. Anything from wildlife to some plants.

As for the current topic: call me insane but I think black people have fair representation. Perhaps it is lacking in some games but Bioware has featured it's fair share throughout both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

As for the comment about people not choosing to play as black characters.. Personally I've never even thought about it. I always play white, though my Qunaris in Inquisition were always dark skinned. It's player choice.. Just because many people like to play a white character it doesn't make them racist. At the very least the option is there for those who want to play as one. These sorts of assumptions are rather annoying.

Do you fear Funnelwebs, Box Jellyfish, Taipans and Mouse Spiders?

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Heh.

 

I almost always play non-white characters.

 

I play video games to be "not me" for a few hours, and being a non-white character helps with that.

Same. My most recent character, which you can see as my avatar is an olive skinned dwarf woman...definitely not me.

[Donk]

Heh.

I almost always play non-white characters.

I play video games to be "not me" for a few hours, and being a non-white character helps with that.

Fair enough. That's role playing after all. I tend to "self insert" so maybe that's why I've never thought about it..

[Donk]

Do you fear Funnelwebs, Box Jellyfish, Taipans and Mouse Spiders?

Only the snakes.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Only the snakes.

Australians are brave souls, isolated from the rest of the world, terrible internet and a place filled with the most venomous animals on earth.